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Urabouttudie #1 Posted Apr 16 2018 - 15:12

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The official introduction of 3/5/7-style Matchmaking, and tier shifting based on past performance, both now currently in effect, unequivocally and irrefutably prove, without a shadow of a doubt that Wargaming can, will and is manipulating your individual gaming experience through the matchmaker system.

 

This isn't even a secret...if you're unaware of this then you are simply uninformed.

 

First, Wg implemented what I refer to as tier shifting, though they did not refer to it by a specific name...only a statement to the effect;

 

"If you are bottom tier too often the Matchmaker will see this and place you mid or even top tier more often..."

 

Although not specifically included in the statement, it must be inferred that the opposite is also true, if you are top tier too often you will be placed mid or even bottom tier more often.

 

Second, Wg introduced 3/5/7-style matchmaker templating...and it, combined with the tier shifting started forcing everyone down to mid & bottom tier...only lessened with additional adjustment patching, yet an effect that is still felt daily here on the NA server.

 

I believe the game-play at tier 8 reveals this combination of matchmaker mechanics in action...tier 8 is a victim of it's numerical position within the new matchmaking tier system, which I doubt is any big secret to anyone reading this.

 

In summary, the Matchmaker system can no longer be argued to be "random". It is not. It has been changed from whatever form it was to what it is now and that form is monitoring and manipulating certain aspects of the player's experience in order to fulfil Wg's purposes.

 

Argue that W/L and all the other minutiae are as "random" as you need them to be in order for you to sleep at night after you log off...but rest assured that in the morning the Matchmaker system is still there manipulating your gaming experience.

 

It is official, sorry if you didn't get the memo...

 



Cognitive_Dissonance #2 Posted Apr 16 2018 - 15:15

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So.

MacDaddyMatty #3 Posted Apr 16 2018 - 15:20

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started forcing everyone down to mid & bottom tier

 

 

If everyone is bottom tier, who is getting the mid and top tier spots?

Spoiler

 

 



sleeper_agent #4 Posted Apr 16 2018 - 15:26

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Its random based on its algorithm. The algorithm is constantly measuring and weighing your abilities, rank and tank you're using to balance your new challenge.

 

So if you are slotted into games you are winning, MM will slot you into games with higher ranked opponents to challenge you or offset your previous good performance. Some will excel and continue to do better, The majority will not. They will crash and burn and post on here that MM is rigged and out to get them.

 

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SwedishEOD #5 Posted Apr 16 2018 - 15:29

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Here we go again......

Flarvin #6 Posted Apr 16 2018 - 15:29

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I love the commitment put into these conspiracy theories.

 

Without any facts, just feelings and a ton of belief. 

 

Makes reading this forum such a pleasure. Can always get a good laugh reading these types of threads. lol



Nudnick #7 Posted Apr 16 2018 - 15:32

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It is what it is.

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View PostUrabouttudie, on Apr 16 2018 - 09:12, said:

Although not specifically included in the statement, it must be inferred that the opposite is also true, if you are top tier too often you will be placed mid or even bottom tier more often.

Not necessarily.   No need to manipulate in the other direction if it happens all the time naturally.  With far more mid and bottom tier slots to fill, odds are much greater that you end up there.  One simply tries to mitigate negative aspects that arise in a random MM, while the one you propose (that's never even been brought up by WG) forces those negative aspects on to you if you got lucky.

 

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In summary, the Matchmaker system can no longer be argued to be "random". It is not. It has been changed from whatever form it was to what it is now and that form is monitoring and manipulating certain aspects of the player's experience in order to fulfil Wg's purposes.

 Still don't comprehend what random is, do you?  Given 7 out of 15 spots as bottom tier, odds are much higher that you end up there when selected randomly.



__WarChild__ #9 Posted Apr 16 2018 - 15:34

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Somehow "random" means all the same to these forum folks.  My math is pretty simple: Good team = Win 99%. Even Team = Win 75%. Bad Team = Lose 90%.

 

I don't know what my stats say, but I get at least 1 MOE and an Ace Mastery in every tank that I play routinely - and that's without ever looking at the numbers.  Whether I win or my win8 goes up, is up to Wargaming.  If they stack too many games against me, I get salty.  Ain't nothing "random" about my MM - and I have the pictures to prove it!



Prosqtor #10 Posted Apr 16 2018 - 15:34

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Nothing you say constitutes rigging the game against you.

Prosqtor #11 Posted Apr 16 2018 - 15:35

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View Post__WarChild__, on Apr 16 2018 - 09:34, said:

Somehow "random" means all the same to these forum folks.  My math is pretty simple: Good team = Win 99%. Even Team = Win 75%. Bad Team = Lose 90%.

 

I don't know what my stats say, but I get at least 1 MOE and an Ace Mastery in every tank that I play routinely - and that's without ever looking at the numbers.  Whether I win or my win8 goes up, is up to Wargaming.  If they stack too many games against me, I get salty.  Ain't nothing "random" about my MM - and I have the pictures to prove it!

 

I am going to assume this is humorous sarcasm.

 



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View PostProsqtor, on Apr 16 2018 - 09:34, said:

Nothing you say constitutes rigging the game against you.

 

Nothing he says supports his use of "true" ...

Or "fact" ,,,

 

But look at him go!

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sleeper_agent #13 Posted Apr 16 2018 - 15:42

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View PostProsqtor, on Apr 16 2018 - 09:35, said:

 

I am going to assume this is humorous sarcasm.

 

 

you'd be surprised...lol

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Thank you for the usual Monday 'game is rigged' post. :sceptic:

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View Post__WarChild__, on Apr 17 2018 - 00:34, said:

Somehow "random" means all the same to these forum folks.  My math is pretty simple: Good team = Win 99%. Even Team = Win 75%. Bad Team = Lose 90%.

 

I don't know what my stats say, but I get at least 1 MOE and an Ace Mastery in every tank that I play routinely - and that's without ever looking at the numbers.  Whether I win or my win8 goes up, is up to Wargaming.  If they stack too many games against me, I get salty.  Ain't nothing "random" about my MM - and I have the pictures to prove it!

 

TIL that WG controls your positioning, shooting, and situational awareness.

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With a smaller population on the NA server compared to EU and RU servers there will always be screwed up MM. There is nothing different about it other than this. So MM doesn't get it right all the time,  and we get the tin foil hatters on here posting their conspiracy theories of how WG is out to get us.

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View PostUrabouttudie, on Apr 16 2018 - 06:12, said:

The official introduction of 3/5/7-style Matchmaking, and tier shifting based on past performance, both now currently in effect, unequivocally and irrefutably prove, without a shadow of a doubt that Wargaming can, will and is manipulating your individual gaming experience through the matchmaker system.

 

This isn't even a secret...if you're unaware of this then you are simply uninformed.

 

First, Wg implemented what I refer to as tier shifting, though they did not refer to it by a specific name...only a statement to the effect;

 

"If you are bottom tier too often the Matchmaker will see this and place you mid or even top tier more often..."

 

Although not specifically included in the statement, it must be inferred that the opposite is also true, if you are top tier too often you will be placed mid or even bottom tier more often.

 

Second, Wg introduced 3/5/7-style matchmaker templating...and it, combined with the tier shifting started forcing everyone down to mid & bottom tier...only lessened with additional adjustment patching, yet an effect that is still felt daily here on the NA server.

 

I believe the game-play at tier 8 reveals this combination of matchmaker mechanics in action...tier 8 is a victim of it's numerical position within the new matchmaking tier system, which I doubt is any big secret to anyone reading this.

 

In summary, the Matchmaker system can no longer be argued to be "random". It is not. It has been changed from whatever form it was to what it is now and that form is monitoring and manipulating certain aspects of the player's experience in order to fulfil Wg's purposes.

 

It is official, sorry if you didn't get the memo...

 

 

so.....not a single "fact" presented.

 

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Argue that W/L and all the other minutiae are as "random" as you need them to be in order for you to sleep at night after you log off...but rest assured that in the morning the Matchmaker system is still there manipulating your gaming experience.

 

Actually, I believe it is those that claim that MM is rigged or manipulated that are the ones losing sleep over the issue.  I have never seen anybody create a serious thread complaining about the MM being random.  Based on the number of posts/threads you have created, I guessing that you are extremely bothered by the idea that MM might be manipulating you.  Have you considered therapy to help calm your grief?

 



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This is what they say, War Child.
 

Edited by Prosqtor, Apr 16 2018 - 15:51.


__WarChild__ #19 Posted Apr 16 2018 - 15:51

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You're right.  I could camp more and watch my Win8 go up a bit, but it wouldn't do sht for my winrate.  But I prefer to help my team try to win rather than work on selfish goals that benefit my team.  Not all damage is good damage...

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View PostProsqtor, on Apr 16 2018 - 08:50, said:

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This is what they say, War Child.
 

 

What does that tell you about me?




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