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Genada #1 Posted Apr 16 2018 - 17:05

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Hey Wargaming any chance you can do something to address the 268 version 4? I mean really I am getting tired of watching people just drive it down a line murdering everything in front of it. 

 

This is really one of the reasons people playing tier 8 are so pissed off. You add tanks, do not even bother to think about the lower tier tanks it will be facing. It's op against tier tens, how in the hell is tier 8 tanks suppose to deal with it? 

 

It was good to see you work on tier ten and try to bring some of the tanks into a better spot but really all your doing now is powercreeping the ones your not updating. So in the end you will have to go and update all the others and then powercreep the now op tanks because you fail so hard at doing any sane balance.

 

The 268 Version 4 is the clearest example so far we have of how bad your testing process is and how badly you fail at game balance. The worst part is somehow you think the tank's balanced when EVERYONE that sees it knows how clearly it is not.


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OP Russian Bias is OP 

SovietMemeBear #3 Posted Apr 16 2018 - 17:08

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Because people tried to play it like actual TD and camped way behind everyone. So the stats weren't great. Then a few good players showed everyone that you could yolo to the front lines like a mongol,bounce pretty much everything by just wiggling the front of the tank and then boom we are here today the single most broken tank ever put in game. 

 

 



General_Lee_Miserable #4 Posted Apr 16 2018 - 17:11

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I've been penned in the view port by a Lowe firing AP. Truth. The hysteria around this tank is mindblowing. Just learn to aim. Fire some premium if you have to. 

tonkmato #5 Posted Apr 16 2018 - 17:12

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View PostSovietMemeBear, on Apr 16 2018 - 09:08, said:

Because people tried to play it like actual TD and camped way behind everyone. So the stats weren't great. Then a few good players showed everyone that you could yolo to the front lines like a mongol,bounce pretty much everything by just wiggling the front of the tank and then boom we are here today the single most broken tank ever put in game. 

 

 

 

good answer! BUT sorry, the correct answer is Russian collusion 

OEFArmy #6 Posted Apr 16 2018 - 17:13

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The test server is also nothing but premium ammo, even in TDs that don't need it, so it's hard to properly test armor there.  Just look at how many suckers are grinding the line right now spending their time and hard earned money.  Don't worry, the nerf bat will hit that tank as soon as enough people grind out that line.  And to the OP, the object 268 V4 [edited]equally on tier 10 tanks.  It's not like you load 340 pen hit and autopen it, it's seriously more like a 50/50 if it is stationary and more like a 30/70 if it's wiggling.

Edited by OEFArmy, Apr 16 2018 - 17:14.


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View PostGeneral_Lee_Miserable, on Apr 16 2018 - 17:11, said:

I've been penned in the view port by a Lowe firing AP. Truth. The hysteria around this tank is mindblowing. Just learn to aim. Fire some premium if you have to. 

 

You have to hit the view port... With RNG...  RNG that is iffy that your round even makes it down range. RNG that is iffy that you'll even hit the target anywhere, let alone where you aimed. RNG that is iffy that you will pen assuming you hit where you aimed.

 

One guy in a Lowe wins the WoT RNG lottery on a shot, you got what? 200 give or take a few HP damage so that makes the TD not broken?



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They know it was bad, they know it would earn them a ███ ton of money. As usual they're gonna likely wait 6 months to a year before nerfing it depending on just how much money it brings in.

 

Hell I knew the thing was broken the moment I bounced an entire clip of 390 pen HEAT rounds from my Foch 155 on its lower plate. Just an FYI that 155 has one of the 3 highest pen in the game.

 

View PostGeneral_Lee_Miserable, on Apr 16 2018 - 17:11, said:

I've been penned in the view port by a Lowe firing AP. Truth. The hysteria around this tank is mindblowing. Just learn to aim. Fire some premium if you have to. 

 

Definitely the dumbest thing I've read today.

Edited by _Gungrave_, Apr 16 2018 - 17:59.


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View PostApe_Drape, on Apr 16 2018 - 17:22, said:

 

You have to hit the view port... With RNG...  RNG that is iffy that your round even makes it down range. RNG that is iffy that you'll even hit the target anywhere, let alone where you aimed. RNG that is iffy that you will pen assuming you hit where you aimed.

 

One guy in a Lowe wins the WoT RNG lottery on a shot, you got what? 200 give or take a few HP damage so that makes the TD not broken?

 

I have played almost 200 battles in it. I do fairly well, but I can tell you 100% honestly that the thing is far from invulnerable. I got caught up in the hype and died early in many of my first 100 battles because I thought I was all that. Nope. T10's will fire gold and will pen you with ease.

 

People fail to realize that penetration isn't static. There is 25% RNG. So, a 330 pen round will roll up to 412. That will cheese with ease. Even standard rounds have chances with high rolls in both T9 and T10 tanks. T8 does suffer a bit but the TDs have enough gold round pen to get you with a good roll. Are we forgetting the Ohos, Type 4s, and Type 5s, that look in your general direction and 600 hp melts off? T92 HMCs will focus you and melt your hp off fairly quickly. 

 

It's a good tank, maybe even great, but far from the end of the game as we know it. Not even close. A player like myself, who generally plays dark green to blue does about 2400 dmg per battle in the thing. I have higher damage in a type 5, Cent AX, etc. The reason its stats are so high is I think more blue to purple players are playing it than anyone else. A mere mortal like me isn't god-like in it. 



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well paid super testers approved the tank.

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View PostGeneral_Lee_Miserable, on Apr 16 2018 - 17:44, said:

 

I have played almost 200 battles in it. I do fairly well, but I can tell you 100% honestly that the thing is far from invulnerable. I got caught up in the hype and died early in many of my first 100 battles because I thought I was all that. Nope. T10's will fire gold and will pen you with ease.

 

People fail to realize that penetration isn't static. There is 25% RNG. So, a 330 pen round will roll up to 412. That will cheese with ease. Even standard rounds have chances with high rolls in both T9 and T10 tanks. T8 does suffer a bit but the TDs have enough gold round pen to get you with a good roll. Are we forgetting the Ohos, Type 4s, and Type 5s, that look in your general direction and 600 hp melts off? T92 HMCs will focus you and melt your hp off fairly quickly. 

 

It's a good tank, maybe even great, but far from the end of the game as we know it. Not even close. A player like myself, who generally plays dark green to blue does about 2400 dmg per battle in the thing. I have higher damage in a type 5, Cent AX, etc. The reason its stats are so high is I think more blue to purple players are playing it than anyone else. A mere mortal like me isn't god-like in it. 

 

Say that to the 57% win rate.  This post is pure BS.



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View PostOEFArmy, on Apr 16 2018 - 17:54, said:

 

Say that to the 57% win rate.  This post is pure BS.

 

Whats more BS... the opinion from the person who HAS the tank or the opinion from the person who doesn't? 

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View PostGeneral_Lee_Miserable, on Apr 16 2018 - 10:44, said:

 

I have played almost 200 battles in it. I do fairly well, but I can tell you 100% honestly that the thing is far from invulnerable. I got caught up in the hype and died early in many of my first 100 battles because I thought I was all that. Nope. T10's will fire gold and will pen you with ease.

 

People fail to realize that penetration isn't static. There is 25% RNG. So, a 330 pen round will roll up to 412. That will cheese with ease. Even standard rounds have chances with high rolls in both T9 and T10 tanks. T8 does suffer a bit but the TDs have enough gold round pen to get you with a good roll. Are we forgetting the Ohos, Type 4s, and Type 5s, that look in your general direction and 600 hp melts off? T92 HMCs will focus you and melt your hp off fairly quickly. 

 

It's a good tank, maybe even great, but far from the end of the game as we know it. Not even close. A player like myself, who generally plays dark green to blue does about 2400 dmg per battle in the thing. I have higher damage in a type 5, Cent AX, etc. The reason its stats are so high is I think more blue to purple players are playing it than anyone else. A mere mortal like me isn't god-like in it. 

 

You have a 62% winrate in the 268 v4 -- a good amount higher than your other tier 10s.  Other than your IS-7 (57%), your other tier 10s with more than 80 or so games are at 54% AT BEST.

 

Why is it that you have 62% winrate in that tank?  Either you're triple platooning with unicums or the tank is overpowered.



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View PostGeneral_Lee_Miserable, on Apr 16 2018 - 17:59, said:

 

Whats more BS... the opinion from the person who HAS the tank or the opinion from the person who doesn't? 

 

I HAVE the tank. It's a travesty, and I don't play it. It's completely broken, and it puts me off from playing Tier X matches, which have degraded into a shooting gallery for any number of these crap tanks.

 

WG needs to fix this, ASAP.


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View PostGeneral_Lee_Miserable, on Apr 16 2018 - 16:59, said:

 

Whats more BS... the opinion from the person who HAS the tank or the opinion from the person who doesn't? 

It over performs by a wide margin.  It’s the ultimate game expression of the idiotic design formula that created the Chrysler GF.  This time at tier 10.  



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View PostGuido1212, on Apr 16 2018 - 18:04, said:

It over performs by a wide margin.  It’s the ultimate game expression of the idiotic design formula that created the Chrysler GF.  This time at tier 10.  

 

I agree, but way worse - the Chrysler doesn't move at 50 kph, and doesn't do 650 alpha.

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The funny part is most people don't even play this tank to its advantages anyway. For example, it has such huge torque that if you simply alternate forwards and backward IN PLACE while reloading, your weak spots bounce a few feet because the tank bucks up and down, making it nearly impossible for anyone to reliably hit.



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View PostGeneral_Lee_Miserable, on Apr 16 2018 - 16:11, said:

I've been penned in the view port by a Lowe firing AP. Truth. The hysteria around this tank is mindblowing. Just learn to aim. Fire some premium if you have to. 

 

You got penned by a tank once. 

Well that proves the 268 IV is not a problem lol



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View PostKnightOfEris, on Apr 16 2018 - 17:06, said:

 

I agree, but way worse - the Chrysler doesn't move at 50 kph, and doesn't do 650 alpha.

Yes, it’s a tier 10.  My point is that it’s the same philosophy that created a complete crud storm

last year.  Pethaos they believed that it wouldn’t be as noticed because it’s not a premium.



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View Postgolruul, on Apr 16 2018 - 17:03, said:

 

You have a 62% winrate in the 268 v4 -- a good amount higher than your other tier 10s.  Other than your IS-7 (57%), your other tier 10s with more than 80 or so games are at 54% AT BEST.

 

Why is it that you have 62% winrate in that tank?  Either you're triple platooning with unicums or the tank is overpowered.

 

I will say, in all fairness that I have tanks with varied winrates at various tiers, and that those winrates, sometimes having significantly better WR than my averages, isn't always due to a tank simply being OP.

 

Like the AMX M4 45 isn't OP at all, and I ground it on a buddies account to a solid 65% solo (nobody wanted to help me grind it easier), while my norm at that tier is 55% or so.

 

Note, not saying the v4 isn't OP, rather it is. But that simply having a tank have a high win rate over others isn't always tied to OP-ness, but the players ability to "click" with the tanks best used play-style. 






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