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[Mikosah]

The story begins with the first introduction of the 263 line several years ago. At that time, WG imagined that the armor would allow these tanks to be multipurpose TDs, able to brawl when the need arose. But no one played them this way (for numerous reasons), and WG has been salty about it ever since. Then a few months ago WG got a new idea, that if a TD simply had enough armor and enough mobility, it would be played as aggressively as they had seen in their fevered dreams. 

 

But what's that you say- such a concept is game-breaking? The line didn't need such a rework? Replacing tanks is a pain for everyone? Pah! What a small price to pay! You worry too much, tovarish. WG knows how to make it all better. They wouldn't possibly go to all this trouble just to end up nerfing the armor or the mobility and let the whole rework to have been in vain. Murazor said he knows best, and he would never lie to us.

(kek)

[Kerosedge]

So OP gold from a 704 just bounces off the front. Stupid.

[Duqe]

General_Lee_Miserable, on Apr 16 2018 - 18:51, said:

 

My recents show I play better than you at 1/3 the battles that you have. How does it feel to be a slow learner? 

 

 

 

I'm a cripple with full motion in only 5 of my Arthritic fingers, total. And no feeling in any of them, so yeah, I'm getting worse as my hands become more and more unusable.

 

You being better than me is absolutely no indicator of you being good. So what's your excuse?

[General_Lee_Miserable]

Duqe, on Apr 16 2018 - 19:25, said:

 

I'm a cripple with full motion in only 5 of my Arthritic fingers, total. And no feeling in any of them, so yeah, I'm getting worse as my hands become more and more unusable.

 

You being better than me is absolutely no indicator of you being good. So what's your excuse?

 

regardless of your condition, your assertion that I'm not a good player even though I generally run about 1700+ WN8 recents is just wrong. I'm no unicum, but I'm far from bad. 

[_cthulhu_]

Genada, on Apr 17 2018 - 04:05, said:

Hey Wargaming any chance you can do something to address the 268 version 4? I mean really I am getting tired of watching people just drive it down a line murdering everything in front of it. 

 

This is really one of the reasons people playing tier 8 are so pissed off. You add tanks, do not even bother to think about the lower tier tanks it will be facing. It's op against tier tens, how in the hell is tier 8 tanks suppose to deal with it? 

 

It was good to see you work on tier ten and try to bring some of the tanks into a better spot but really all your doing now is powercreeping the ones your not updating. So in the end you will have to go and update all the others and then powercreep the now op tanks because you fail so hard at doing any sane balance.

 

The 268 Version 4 is the clearest example so far we have of how bad your testing process is and how badly you fail at game balance. The worst part is somehow you think the tank's balanced when EVERYONE that sees it knows how clearly it is not.

They know the tank is OP

They did it on purpose to get people to grind for it.

When they see that it has fallen from popularity, they will balance it.

 

Then release the next OP tank/line

 

Rinse and Repeat...

[Kenshin2kx]

Kerosedge, on Apr 16 2018 - 08:11, said:

So OP gold from a 704 just bounces off the front. Stupid.

 

Yes, but that is a special case ... the 704 was the TD golden child in the not to distant past, so its actually a conscious gaming rebuke for the 'fallen' 704 to bow before the new rising prince ... 

[golruul]

Kamahl1234, on Apr 16 2018 - 11:22, said:

 

I will say, in all fairness that I have tanks with varied winrates at various tiers, and that those winrates, sometimes having significantly better WR than my averages, isn't always due to a tank simply being OP.

 

Like the AMX M4 45 isn't OP at all, and I ground it on a buddies account to a solid 65% solo (nobody wanted to help me grind it easier), while my norm at that tier is 55% or so.

 

Note, not saying the v4 isn't OP, rather it is. But that simply having a tank have a high win rate over others isn't always tied to OP-ness, but the players ability to "click" with the tanks best used play-style. 

 

Let's first assume a significant number of games played in the tanks so we don't get the "I'm at 80% win rate in my tank (that has 10 games played)!".

 

I think the odds of someone doing very well in a single tank while simultaneously doing not so well in similar tanks with same playstyles is pretty low.  Something is happening that is making the tank an outlier. 

 

Also, note that the "I just click with this tank better" is always the reason used for players that do way better in OP tanks.  This reason was paraded many, many times with the old KV-1S and O-I Exp for instance.  However, it wasn't actually true -- they're doing better in the tanks because the tanks were/are overpowered.

[BunnyHopHop]

yeah this is basically a tier XI tank.

 

I'm mostly done playing anything above tier VII, and completely done giving WG any more $$$, until they nerf this tank back to the pack of regular tier X OP'd russian tanks... 

 

What a travesty of a tank.  Funny thing is this tank makes the 430U look normal by comparison, and THAT tank leaped to the top of OP'd tier X meds when introduced.  It's not as stupidly, blatantly OP'd as the 268v4, so no one bothers to complain about it lol

[RedBaronK]

telecastermds, on Apr 16 2018 - 17:57, said:

Funniest part is the 268 weighs like 80 tons and is way faster than a Centurion AX and STRV-103B which have no armor and weigh way less.

 

I saw one ram an unsuspecting bulldog gf (ironic) below a hill on Westfield, think it was doing around 65 kph+.... You would have never guessed from watching that scene that the 268-4 weighs 80 tons. There was nothing left of the bulldog left to bury.

[Duqe]

General_Lee_Miserable, on Apr 16 2018 - 19:35, said:

 

regardless of your condition, your assertion that I'm not a good player even though I generally run about 1700+ WN8 recents is just wrong. I'm no unicum, but I'm far from bad. 

 

You have been saying how you run your Object 268-4, Defender, and Chrysler K a lot. There you have the explanation for your 1700+ WN8.

 

And again, it says nothing about you being good if such is the case, in fact, 1700 WN8 is way less than the average 2200-to-3100 the average users on those tanks run.

[BunnyHopHop]

General_Lee_Miserable, on Apr 16 2018 - 18:30, said:

 

Exactly 

 

I've had zero dmg games and several at 1200 to 1300 and won in the 268-V4. I don't call it OP. I call it my good luck charm. 

 

On the flip side, I shouldn't have 41.5% in my WZ-111-5a, with over 2,000 damage per battle. I haven't lit it up in that tank, but I haven't stunk it up either. Something like 900 dmg per would normally get that WR. But, it is what it is.

 

Moral of the story, WR isn't something you can look at as an absolute measure over a short period of time or small sample size. If the 268-V4 has a 57% on NA in 6 months, then I'll change my tune. 

 

LOL dude you have a SIXTY TWO PERCENT WIN RATE in the 268v4.  Your next best win rate is the - big shocker here - 430U, the second most OP'd tank in the game.  But fine let's not look at just win rate for you and the 268v4.

 

In 11 of 180 matches in the 268v4, you were high caliber.  Once every 16 battles.  In your other tier X vehicles COMBINED, you have 20 in 1263 battles.  Once every 63 battles...  so you do WAAAAAAY more damage in this tank than your other tier X tanks.

 

In 17 of 180 matches in the 268v4, you had steel wall.  Once every 10.5 battles.  In your other heavily armored tanks (counting just IS7, Maus, e100, Super Conq, Type 5), you had steel wall in 45 of 661 matches.  Once every 14.6 battles.  Not that big of a difference (at least not when compared to the damage numbers above), but those other tanks are superheavies, who sacrifice everything for armor, and yet you do better at absorbing damage in the 268v4 than you do in all those other tanks.

 

If someone like you does that much better in this tank than you do in every other similar tank you play, and most everyone else sees the same thing, there's a problem.  But hey if I were you I guess I would keep relying on the crutch that is this tank until they nerf it.  Why bother to learn tactics when you can hit W, point, and shoot, and win?

[Staz211]

General_Lee_Miserable, on Apr 16 2018 - 11:11, said:

I've been penned in the view port by a Lowe firing AP. Truth. The hysteria around this tank is mindblowing. Just learn to aim. Fire some premium if you have to. 

 

General_Lee_Miserable, on Apr 16 2018 - 11:44, said:

 

I have played almost 200 battles in it. I do fairly well, but I can tell you 100% honestly that the thing is far from invulnerable. I got caught up in the hype and died early in many of my first 100 battles because I thought I was all that. Nope. T10's will fire gold and will pen you with ease.

 

People fail to realize that penetration isn't static. There is 25% RNG. So, a 330 pen round will roll up to 412. That will cheese with ease. Even standard rounds have chances with high rolls in both T9 and T10 tanks. T8 does suffer a bit but the TDs have enough gold round pen to get you with a good roll. Are we forgetting the Ohos, Type 4s, and Type 5s, that look in your general direction and 600 hp melts off? T92 HMCs will focus you and melt your hp off fairly quickly. 

 

It's a good tank, maybe even great, but far from the end of the game as we know it. Not even close. A player like myself, who generally plays dark green to blue does about 2400 dmg per battle in the thing. I have higher damage in a type 5, Cent AX, etc. The reason its stats are so high is I think more blue to purple players are playing it than anyone else. A mere mortal like me isn't god-like in it. 

 

You cannot possibly argue that the 268v4 isn't blatantly, game breakingly OP. 

 

KnightOfEris, on Apr 16 2018 - 12:04, said:

 

I HAVE the tank. It's a travesty, and I don't play it. It's completely broken, and it puts me off from playing Tier X matches, which have degraded into shooting gallery for any number of these crap tanks.

 

WG needs to fix this, ASAP.

 

Same here. I have not played a single match in the 268v4 WG gave me for having the 263. I will not be a part of that game-balancing travesty. The meer presence of that vehicle has severely hampered my enjoyment of playing Tiers VIII-X, which are really the only tiers I play. I also haven't given WG a dime since it became apparent just how blatantly OP the vehicle is. 

 

It's also a travesty what they did to the 263. It was a perfectly balanced, somewhat unique/rare Tier X. It was one of my favorite Tier X's. Such a shame.

[General_Lee_Miserable]

Duqe, on Apr 16 2018 - 20:21, said:

 

You have been saying how you run your Object 268-4, Defender, and Chrysler K a lot. There you have the explanation for your 1700+ WN8.

 

And again, it says nothing about you being good if such is the case, in fact, 1700 WN8 is way less than the average 2200-to-3100 the average users on those tanks run.

 

You really need to work on comprehension. I was joking about running all perceived OP tanks in response to this thread. I haven't run the Defender or K tank in a long while. I've actually be running mostly arty for missions lately and the 3 new light tanks I have. The 13-57, Even 90, and Type 62. Check the stats on those if you want. 

 

Oh..and the average recent server WN8 on the Defender is 1251 and the K tank is 1111. That's from Vbaddict. So, yeah....you are now proven to be completely full of it. 

[sleeper_agent]

Well it is OP but is it really game breaking? ???

[Guido1212]

Duqe, on Apr 16 2018 - 17:27, said:

 

Thank God, I remembered just in time that all tier 10 vehicles are virtually impenetrable anywhere along the front, do 650 damage alpha with almost 300 pen, and 50km/h with ease.

You are making no sense in regards to the posts I was responding to.

[Ape_Drape]

Kerosedge, on Apr 16 2018 - 19:11, said:

So OP gold from a 704 just bounces off the front. Stupid.

 

You have to hit it in the postage stamped sized viewport with gold.

[Kenshin2kx]

Ape_Drape, on Apr 16 2018 - 11:03, said:

 

You have to hit it in the postage stamped sized viewport with gold.

 

Or HE ...

[_Gungrave_]

Kenshin2kx, on Apr 16 2018 - 22:08, said:

 

Or HE ...

 

Hardly does anything unless you're using a 130+ caliber gun.

[Kenshin2kx]

_Gungrave_, on Apr 16 2018 - 11:10, said:

 

Hardly does anything unless you're using a 130+ caliber gun.

 

... its kind of funny watching two -4's facing off ... depending on who is getting better rolls, its not uncommon for HE to be brought out for less damage per shot but more practical contribution (if less dramatic) 

[SteelRonin]

sleeper_agent, on Apr 16 2018 - 16:53, said:

Well it is OP but is it really game breaking? ???

 

yes, if that tank pushes a flank, it will win 99% of the time......, and I have seen how half the opposite tanks run away from it....they can't do nothing against it....

 

You can stop it by destroying its tracks, but no1 wants to do it because you win nothing by stoping that tank 10 minutes only by permatracking it...

 

In a 3-5-7 scheme, 3 tanks have the chance to stop it, 20% of the tanks have a chance, and even they have struggle to deal with it, so the 80% remaining have even worse chance to deal with it.

 

Everytime I see a player with that tank it I feel He is a "cheater", like the players using the T67, they are the worst players imho, not worst in stats, worst in quality..