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Charlie_The_Cat #1 Posted Apr 16 2018 - 22:07

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WG, you can't let a tank that doesn't need to aim and do 600-700+ damage on EVERY shot vs ANY tank (armored or not) roam the batlefield like this. All the while, we need to precisely aim to even have a small chance to pen.

  

And I say this from the perspective of a heavy tank player where you have to hold a position and prevent that Type 5 to pass.  It is just a futile exercise.

 

It's been a few games now that I have unlocked the 705A and even thought it's a super-heavy tank, it just gets rape vs those 600-700+ dmg gold HE shell on every shot when I defend/attack vs a Type 5, while my shots 80% bounces of have no effect.

 

The Type 5 doesn't even need to try to protect itself has most shells don't dent it.... if not on the side (even then...) or precisely aimed at the somewhat weak points.

 

Last game played, a total noob got 6k dmg and 5k dmg blocked by armor while he was just chery picking me and didnt even pay attention to tier 9 and 8 tanks.

 

1400 HE damage from gold HE should be permitted only on a fixed turret TD (like the Jag E100), not on an invincible 200t tank, come on.

Heck, even arty can only dream of doing that much damage nowaday.



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View PostCharlie_The_Cat, on Apr 16 2018 - 16:07, said:

WG, you can't let a tank that doesn't need to aim and do 600-700+ damage on EVERY shot vs ANY tank (armored or not) roam the batlefield like this. All the while, we need to precisely aim to even have a small chance to pen.

  

And I say this from the perspective of a heavy tank player where you have to hold a position and prevent that Type 5 to pass.  It is just a futile exercise.

 

It's been a few games now that I have unlocked the 705A and even thought it's a super-heavy tank, it just gets rape vs those 600-700+ dmg gold HE shell on every shot when I defend/attack vs a Type 5, while my shots 80% bounces of have no effect.

 

The Type 5 doesn't even need to try to protect itself has most shells don't dent it.... if not on the side (even then...) or precisely aimed at the somewhat weak points.

 

Last game played, a total noob got 6k dmg and 5k dmg blocked by armor while he was just chery picking me and didnt even pay attention to tier 9 and 8 tanks.

 

1400 HE damage from gold HE should be permitted only on a fixed turret TD (like the Jag E100), not on an invincible 200t tank, come on.

Heck, even arty can only dream of doing that much damage nowaday.

 

They just need to change it.  Deciding between damage and just more damage isn't really a choice.  At least with higher pen rounds you can decide if you think you need them.  There is never really a scenario where more damage isn't just better lol.

ZzimonZzL #3 Posted Apr 16 2018 - 22:34

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https://tanks.gg/tan...=live&cl=000001

Da_Craw #4 Posted Apr 16 2018 - 22:41

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First, the Type 5 is slightly overperforming according to its tank curve.  At about the same rate that the Object 705A is.

 

Second, premium ammo is changing.  First step of stopping purchase for gold is coming next patch.  



Dirizon #5 Posted Apr 16 2018 - 22:44

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lt is a broken mechanic, catered for weaker players in order so they can still contribute.

 

But l do disagree with some of your assessment. While Types don't necessarily need to aim, and are great side scrape tanks, they are not what you describe. Every shot they make, does not do seven hundred damage. Far from it, those are the good damage rolls. lf that were the case, CW teams would all be Types. They are slow, have pitiful DPM, cannot do much in open maps. When Maus was in turbo mode, they would happily eat at five hundred damage hit, then smack it back 2-3 times for five hundred too, with superior HP. l have seen Type HE attacks, do  zero  damage. Count that up, 1.4K HE potential,  zero damage. HE is a fickle thing, high roll one time, complete failure the next. That aim-time and accuracy does not help, either. And facehug them commonly have them splash themselves and damage their gun, too. The low HE pen (less than KV2)  also restricts its use, it cannot pen stuff even RU251 could, with its HE. 

 

Most of Types armour is flat. three hundred+ pen gold ammo usually cuts through it.

 

l do believe it needs nerfing too though. Lower the HE damage to nine-fifty like EHundo. The prem HE is still nine-fifty, but increases in burst effect radius and pen, like Sheridan gun. Make the HE shells have 88/98 Pen, 3.8m / 5.2m burst radius. And make the gun fire a tad faster, to maintain its current DPM. 

 

Arty doesn't do high damage anymore, either. All it does really is annoyingly stun players.

 

 

 

 

 

 



Da_Craw #6 Posted Apr 16 2018 - 22:55

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The funniest thing about this complaint is that there is a post a few before this one complaining about getting low damage numbers in a Type 5.

Edited by Da_Craw, Apr 16 2018 - 22:55.


Frank1214 #7 Posted Apr 16 2018 - 23:05

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Get that tank. Play some battles with it and y wll understand how wrong are you. The diference between damage with gold and normal ammo is not that big at all. It seem big just on paper. Every shoot 700+ dmg with gold HE - no way, only in your dreams, but y will see a lot of zero damage hits.

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Funny that OP is complaining about the one heavy tank that can actually deal with a properly played 705A...

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View PostKamahl1234, on Apr 16 2018 - 23:10, said:

Funny that OP is complaining about the one heavy tank that can actually deal with a properly played 705A...

 

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dominator_98 #10 Posted Apr 16 2018 - 23:56

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View PostFrank1214, on Apr 16 2018 - 16:05, said:

Get that tank. Play some battles with it and y wll understand how wrong are you. The diference between damage with gold and normal ammo is not that big at all. It seem big just on paper. Every shoot 700+ dmg with gold HE - no way, only in your dreams, but y will see a lot of zero damage hits.

 

The mechanic is dumb. Loading gold will let you do more damage with every shot you hit, relative to the standard ammo. And yes, I've played the tank.

ImApollo #11 Posted Apr 17 2018 - 00:26

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This should get OP going :trollface: (not my video)


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View Postdominator_98, on Apr 16 2018 - 23:56, said:

 

The mechanic is dumb. Loading gold will let you do more damage with every shot you hit, relative to the standard ammo. And yes, I've played the tank.

 

​if you think type 5 prem ammo are op take a look at the prem ammo for the amx m4 45 with the 105mm

Charlie_The_Cat #13 Posted Apr 17 2018 - 01:13

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View PostImApollo, on Apr 16 2018 - 18:26, said:

This should get OP going :trollface: (not my video)

 

Oh man I LOL

 

".. and that E75 did whoping 1 damage!" LOL



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View PostZzimonZzL, on Apr 16 2018 - 18:10, said:

 

​if you think type 5 prem ammo are op take a look at the prem ammo for the amx m4 45 with the 105mm

 

I ran the ARL and AMX with full gold for awhile to get the extra 30 alpha. It's dumb, but I've got the credits to take advantage of it. Ground the Type 4 with full prammo as well.

 

I felt pretty dirty for loading gold to kill a M3 Lee, but that's the difference between a 40% chance to 1-shot and a 65% chance.

 

Don't hate the player, hate the devs. (except arty players)






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