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FPGT72 #1 Posted Apr 17 2018 - 00:25

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We all have felt that tier 8 gets the shaft in MM...I figured with the new Italian tank why not keep a running total on how long to get the first perk.

 

Now I am a pretty middle of the road player, so take that into account on the number of games....this is not to be a reflection on the ability of me, the tank, anything....this is just what did MM do with this tier 8 vehicle.

 

Now the layout....bottom tier is just that...the bottom tier...tier 8 in a 10 game....tier 8 in a tier 9 game if there are no tier 7's....you are bottom tier.  Top tier...same deal you are top tier, no matter the rest of the team load out, you are top tier.  Middle tier....just that, there are tiers above and below you.  Same tier...a game where all vehicles are tier 8.

 

52 games to get the first perk.

 

29 games bottom tier....this is ~ 55% of the games played

5 games top tier....this is ~09% of you being top tier.

10 games middle tier...this is ~19% of the games played

8 games same tier....this is ~15% of games played.

 

Take it for what it is worth....just know you are going to get shafted over half the time being bottom tier in a game.  One heck of a way to reward those players that support the game with real money and buy prem tanks.

 

I understand the sample size is pretty small....I did run stats on the Tort. during the rush before the Death Star was removed from the game....the stats are close enough to the same to call it the same.

 

Don't get me wrong, I really like the new tank from Italy, I enjoy it even if I suck at it.....and I would buy it again...this is not the point....it is just how many games and where the MM places you.....you need to know that before you shell out your hard earned cash to be at bottom tier 55% of the time.

 


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_Gungrave_ #2 Posted Apr 17 2018 - 00:31

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I'd rather be in tier 10 games with my 8s than tier 8 games for the simple reason that I'm less likely to encounter full potato players not understanding the meta. Besides that the higher HP pools, more challenging gameplay, etc.

 

 

Besides...soon enough we will get the tier 8 only Frontline mode so all of you average players can quit crying about being the underdog.



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Check your math.  You are top tier almost 10% of the time (5/52 * 100 = 9.6%).  Far cry from 0.09%.

Kamahl1234 #4 Posted Apr 17 2018 - 00:36

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Eh, I've never really had a problem being bottom tier, I can still tend to hurt tanks with relative ease and perform more than I need to. 

 

And why do we honestly need stats to show us that the bigger number in 3-5-7 is generally going to see you more? Like it's kind of in the template name.

 

 

I think the biggest thing that hurts players in this MM is the idea that you somehow are "forced" to engage the top tiers in a 1v1, especially given how much better this MM is for players as top tiers are heavily limited unlike the old MM. We can argue that it can be improved but it's still better than what we had. 

 

 

Like OP you're talking about being bottom tier, being bottom tier, and going on and on, focusing on this aspect, rather than your performance and the fact that you can still do damn well bottom tier. You can't be top tier all the time, just like you can't win all the time. That's OK. Take these things as challenges to improve, it's a significantly healthier way to view any disadvantage, as you can overcome them with a little effort. You've played twice as many battles as me in the same timeframe, you can do this if I can. 



FPGT72 #5 Posted Apr 17 2018 - 00:39

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View Postcarl20320, on Apr 16 2018 - 23:32, said:

Check your math.  You are top tier almost 10% of the time (5/52 * 100 = 9.6%).  Far cry from 0.09%.

 

If you want me to carry out the numbers all the way I will.....this is why the ~ symbol.

 

You need to try again..



FPGT72 #6 Posted Apr 17 2018 - 00:47

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Some points I agree with 100%.....or perhaps 95% for some slow people around here....

 

I would say I had the best games at tier 10.....even at tier 6 there are some people that still have a lot to learn....this game really needs skill based match making....but that is for another day.

 

This is really a comment on the mechanics of the game.  Like the original post said...I am very happy with the tank and would spend the green backs again to buy it....not the point....the point is you need to know this going in.  If this is something that bothers you....and really it does me to a point....I would like to see some kind of cookie tossed at us for supporting the game...perhaps not as far a preferential match making....but a little cookie.....perhaps 55% of the time you are same tier, or top tier...as is if you add all the others up you get 44% for all others not being bottom tier....or for slower posters that is .4423076923076923 sorry that is as far as the windows calc will carry it out.

 

Bottom line is still over half the time you are going to be a little dog in a big fight.



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T8 MM will fortunately become irrelevant for however long Frontline is here. Hopefully it doesn’t push tier 10 quest any longer though.

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View Postdominator_98, on Apr 16 2018 - 23:47, said:

T8 MM will fortunately become irrelevant for however long Frontline is here. Hopefully it doesn’t push tier 10 quest any longer though.

 

I am not sure I follow you.....as I understand Frontline is going to be flea and tick protection.....oh wait.... it is only a tier 8 party....and a temp party at that...it is not going to be a full time game mode....wonder if that is a copyright....and that name will go the way of Mickey Mouse on the tanks.

 

So if you have the chance to be in an only tier 8 game I think it would make people play more of them....If I am understanding things correctly....they did this same thing with grand battles....again IMHO...personally my tier 10 rust....I just don't play them that much....if I had a chance to do the grand battle more they might come out of the garage.....just for something different.


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View PostFPGT72, on Apr 16 2018 - 17:53, said:

 

I am not sure I follow you.....as I understand Frontline is going to be flea and tick protection.....oh wait.... it is only a tier 8 party....and a temp party at that...it is not going to be a full time game mode....wonder if that is a copyright....and that name will go the way of Mickey Mouse on the tanks.

 

So if you have the chance to be in an only tier 8 game I think it would make people play more of them....If I am understanding things correctly....they did this same thing with grand battles....again IMHO...personally my tier 10 rust....I just don't play them that much....if I had a chance to do the grand battle more they might come out of the garage.....just for something different.

 

Frontline is a separate queue, and the mode is VERY different from Grand Battles. I had my doubts at first, then I updated the Test Server and tried them. Most fun I've had playing tier 8 in a long time. You make pretty good credits and XP, not to mention bonds. 

 

I hope the mode becomes popular enough that WG makes it permanent.



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OP comes out and says "this is not to be a reflection on the ability of me, the tank, anything". Its suppose to be a reflection of how often you will get low, middle or top tier when playing tier 8. Naturally that goes over the first few who think its another player complaining about unfair tier 8s. That's not what he's saying.

 

 

OP, you need to do the same test for a tier 6, for example, than compare. Play as many games as in 1st test, don't wait for the 1st perk cause that wont be apples to apples. Thanks.



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Half you games aren't bottom tier and you have the audacity to complain when T1-T7 is 100% bottom tier?

 

Nah, T8 is fine.



Gothraul #12 Posted Apr 17 2018 - 01:44

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Anyone who thinks this is ok and likes the current tier 10 meta has to be out of their minds.

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View Postcarl20320, on Apr 16 2018 - 16:32, said:

Check your math.  You are top tier almost 10% of the time (5/52 * 100 = 9.6%).  Far cry from 0.09%.

 

check your reading, he said 09% not .09%

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I really think it's more of a problem for the slow heavy tier 8 tanks. In a heavy it does really suck to be bottom tier a majority of the time.

 

Other tanks, it's not great but it's not the horror show it is for a heavy. Heavy tanks need to be able to depend on armor and most tier 8 heavy tanks do not have enough to deal with a 10 so they end up just getting stomped. If the heavy is fast enough it can run with the meds and do decent but many of them are not really fast enough for that.

 

 



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View PostGothraul, on Apr 17 2018 - 00:44, said:

Anyone who thinks this is ok and likes the current tier 10 meta has to be out of their minds.

 

 

This forum has always had War Gaming apologizers/sympathizers/lackeys.  

 

Everything is fine, everything is great, and people who bought premium tanks under a certain meta are to readily accept - and be happy with - the current meta.  These folks are just arguing to argue.  I can only guess that it makes them feel above the people they are replying to or putting down.



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View PostAccidental_ArchAngel, on Apr 17 2018 - 02:50, said:

This forum has always had War Gaming apologizers/sympathizers/lackeys.  

 

Everything is fine, everything is great, and people who bought premium tanks under a certain meta are to readily accept - and be happy with - the current meta.  These folks are just arguing to argue.  I can only guess that it makes them feel above the people they are replying to or putting down.

 

Problem with that mentality is some people enjoy the challenge of fighting 10s with 8s but get called apologists and I feel that moniker gets thrown around a lot. I've even been called an apologist simply because I enjoy the challenge of fighting 10s with the exception of type 4/5 or 264.

o7o7o7o7o7o7o7o7o7o7o7o7 #17 Posted Apr 17 2018 - 04:21

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the problem isnt even tier 8. its just that tier 10 has become a complete cesspool of failure with 1 15  games being normal. try it. play tier 10. its actually worse than playing tier 8 and being IN tier 10 games. makes sense?

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View Posttonkmato, on Apr 16 2018 - 19:47, said:

 

check your reading, he said 09% not .09%

 

the confusing part there is no one writes 09. It's 9%. You don't put a zero in front of it.

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Why isn't tier 8 battles with all tier 8's considered Top tier battles??



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So you're saying when they use matchmaking templates that puts the majority of the players as bottom tier in most of the matches that I'll end up being bottom tier in a majority of my games?  I'm glad there was a post to explain that, otherwise I would have never known.




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