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Is the 257 better than the IS7

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JustNotFatal #1 Posted Apr 17 2018 - 03:19

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I just got the IS7 and only have a few battles under my belt but this feels worse than the 257 in pretty much every way.

 

I've been playing my 257 all day and am playing the IS7 the same way.  It also has equipment and a good crew.

 

Is there something I should be taking in account?

 

Opinions?



simba90 #2 Posted Apr 17 2018 - 03:32

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the 257 is a one trick pony. and that is reverse side-scraping.

I sold mine after only a few battles as it worse than the T-10 so I would never play it.

The IS-7 is completely in a different league. Even tier for tier. 

What you need to be taking into account is that playing tier 10s are a big step up from playing tier 9s even given that there isn't a massive difference between the two tanks.

Every mistake you make at T10 is punished like a piano falling on you.

Stick with it and you will get better and then enjoy that game more. It took me about 300 - 400 games at T10 before I was even able to break 1.8 dpg consistently.



vyle02 #3 Posted Apr 17 2018 - 03:47

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Also with the Italian grind going on tier 10 is very hard right now. MM gives you lots of all 10 games and they are filled with skilled players doing the shorter Italian missions, so not the best time to play 10 and tier 9 mm is better than usual right now for the same reason, although its always pretty good anyways. 

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It's just the MM that makes the Obj. 257 seem as good in comparison to the IS-7 as it does. Tier for Tier, IS-7 is still better... But, when you factor in how nice Tier 9 MM is compared to how frequently you get full Tier 10 matches when playing Tier 10, the Obj. 257 does begin to stand out more than it otherwise should.

 

Realistically, the Obj. 257 is a good combo, but generally a worse heavium than something like the T-10. The side armor on the Obj. 257 is what can sometimes make it seem insanely good; in matches where people are easily baited into shooting the sides, then the Obj. 257 seems pretty insane. However, if people aren't falling for that, then the T-10 will be a better tank, and the IS-7 Tier for Tier is also going to be a better tank.



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Initially I think they were going to downtier the IS7 because there is a tier 10 257 in the game files. 

 

Fun fact: That tier 10 version DOESN'T have any of the armor nerfs that the tier 9 got.

https://tanks.gg/tank/obj-257/model

https://tanks.gg/tank/obj-257-p



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View PostJustNotFatal, on Apr 16 2018 - 21:19, said:

I just got the IS7 and only have a few battles under my belt but this feels worse than the 257 in pretty much every way.

 

I've been playing my 257 all day and am playing the IS7 the same way.  It also has equipment and a good crew.

 

Is there something I should be taking in account?

 

Opinions?

They don't play the same.



o7o7o7o7o7o7o7o7o7o7o7o7 #7 Posted Apr 17 2018 - 04:07

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257..  is IS7 with extra spaced armor on the side for extra cozy feeling of being able to drive sideways in front of an entire team and get away with it! 

 



JustNotFatal #8 Posted Apr 17 2018 - 04:16

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View Postsimba90, on Apr 17 2018 - 03:32, said:

the 257 is a one trick pony. and that is reverse side-scraping.

I sold mine after only a few battles as it worse than the T-10 so I would never play it.

The IS-7 is completely in a different league. Even tier for tier. 

What you need to be taking into account is that playing tier 10s are a big step up from playing tier 9s even given that there isn't a massive difference between the two tanks.

Every mistake you make at T10 is punished like a piano falling on you.

Stick with it and you will get better and then enjoy that game more. It took me about 300 - 400 games at T10 before I was even able to break 1.8 dpg consistently.

I'm surprised you reverse side scrapped. I've never done that with the 257.

You are right about the piano. If I make a mistake, dead.

 

View Postvyle02, on Apr 17 2018 - 03:47, said:

Also with the Italian grind going on tier 10 is very hard right now. MM gives you lots of all 10 games and they are filled with skilled players doing the shorter Italian missions, so not the best time to play 10 and tier 9 mm is better than usual right now for the same reason, although its always pretty good anyways. 

This mission has somehow brought out everything I hate about wot. I'm doing just fine in tier 9, even had several 3k+ games the last few days. Any skill I have is not transferring well to t10, so I'm probably out of my league.

 

 

View Postrockbutcher, on Apr 17 2018 - 03:52, said:

They don't play the same.

If you could elaborate, I'm more than happy to listen.

 

View PostScorpiany, on Apr 17 2018 - 03:47, said:

It's just the MM that makes the Obj. 257 seem as good in comparison to the IS-7 as it does. Tier for Tier, IS-7 is still better... But, when you factor in how nice Tier 9 MM is compared to how frequently you get full Tier 10 matches when playing Tier 10, the Obj. 257 does begin to stand out more than it otherwise should.

 

Realistically, the Obj. 257 is a good combo, but generally a worse heavium than something like the T-10. The side armor on the Obj. 257 is what can sometimes make it seem insanely good; in matches where people are easily baited into shooting the sides, then the Obj. 257 seems pretty insane. However, if people aren't falling for that, then the T-10 will be a better tank, and the IS-7 Tier for Tier is also going to be a better tank.

The going out of your way (longer queue times) for full tier ten is a bit....irritating. Where's my heavenly 3/5/7 match where I can finally get to be the "bully" instead of being the one bullied?

I do like the 257, as long as I can find a bit of cover. The T-10 is my next grind as I do well with it plus I want the Obj. 277. 

 

 

I do appreciate the replies and advice. 


Edited by JustNotFatal, Apr 17 2018 - 04:28.


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View PostJustNotFatal, on Apr 16 2018 - 19:19, said:

I just got the IS7 and only have a few battles under my belt but this feels worse than the 257 in pretty much every way.

 

I've been playing my 257 all day and am playing the IS7 the same way.  It also has equipment and a good crew.

 

Is there something I should be taking in account?

 

Opinions?

 

my thought on it is that maybe one just simply is better suited to your style of play than the other so you do better in it

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View Post_Gungrave_, on Apr 17 2018 - 03:51, said:

Initially I think they were going to downtier the IS7 because there is a tier 10 257 in the game files. 

 

Fun fact: That tier 10 version DOESN'T have any of the armor nerfs that the tier 9 got.

https://tanks.gg/tank/obj-257/model

https://tanks.gg/tank/obj-257-p

 

I noticed that but never bothered to look at it. 

That is terrifying. 



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Sorry But the 257 is utter garbage compared to the IS-7 I cant think of a single situation where the 257 would be better than the IS-7 atleast post 257 nerf. Pre nerf you might have a argument. 

sleeper_agent #12 Posted Apr 17 2018 - 05:12

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Having played the 257 I really hope it's not better than the Is7...lol

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I think the only difference is the no damage front drive wheel.  IS-7 like most tanks can be tracked and killed.  Try that with the 257 and do no dmg and he is hitting you for full dmg.  

I always shoot them in the UFP angled toward me, something that you can't always do to IS-7.  The 257 has a pretty weak UFP for its tier,  it's just most people always go for the front drive wheel instead and that drive wheel is made of stalinium.  Immune to damage.

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View PostKevlar1972, on Apr 17 2018 - 05:38, said:

I think the only difference is the no damage front drive wheel. IS-7 like most tanks can be tracked and killed. Try that with the 257 and do no dmg and he is hitting you for full dmg.

I always shoot them in the UFP angled toward me, something that you can't always do to IS-7. The 257 has a pretty weak UFP for its tier, it's just most people always go for the front drive wheel instead and that drive wheel is made of stalinium. Immune to damage.

 

said UFP will still need 300+ pen to get through it when its broadside to you. 

 

the entire track area is made of imaginary russian steel. from sprocket to drive wheel. then same for the skirt above it. there is a little strip running leghtwise between the 2 force field zones that you need to hit to pen, assuming its not angled at all. 

 

257 is a tank you want to meet face first. easy enough to kill that way. [edited]and sides... not really. its literally only good for driving broadside and not getting punished. super noob happy tank

 

 



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View PostKevlar1972, on Apr 16 2018 - 23:38, said:

I think the only difference is the no damage front drive wheel. IS-7 like most tanks can be tracked and killed. Try that with the 257 and do no dmg and he is hitting you for full dmg.

I always shoot them in the UFP angled toward me, something that you can't always do to IS-7. The 257 has a pretty weak UFP for its tier, it's just most people always go for the front drive wheel instead and that drive wheel is made of stalinium. Immune to damage.

That's pretty much it.

 

The UFP is stronk straight on, but the lower plate is cheese.   Not to mention the turret roof is bigger then the IS-3.



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I wouldn't say it's better but Wargaming needs to stop it with this [edited]V shaped hull design.

Kevlar1972 #17 Posted Apr 17 2018 - 23:50

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Huge difference in the UFP between the two.  The 257 is a relatively easy pen.



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Had real trouble with a 257 in my Lowe  last week who was reverse side scraping on the nw corner of el haluf. They won the match right there pretty much. I could not hurt him until he faced me after all the tier 9 heavies were dead. No arty to deal with him so that we could really aim so kind of annoying. He came arround the corner pretty much unhurt.

Edited by Pongo, Apr 18 2018 - 00:13.


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I think contextually, yes, the 257 is the better tank to play WoT with considering the tier it faces.  I'm a small sample size, but my WR in 257 is well above my average where IS7 is right about my average.


 

257 has unique gameplay with baiting the sides out to draw fire and then punching back nicely.  Its has high (if not the highest) traverse for it's class and tier so it's a joy to maneuver to deflect.  The main weakness is the UFP.  It's a free pen for equal or high opponents.


 

IS7 must be played different and I'll admit - I too am still learning this.  I think the T-10 still makes an as-good or better IS7 trainer because it teaches you how to manage your speed to get to good hull down spots and not to over-extend.  At tier X, the IS7 UFP is also commonly penned.  The biggest surprise for me was the gun on the IS7.  All the guns on the IS line were predictably, serviceably good and T-10 is amazing.  IS-7 seems to be a step behind the T-10 gun to me.


 

More than any other tank for me, the IS7 seems hard to pen when someone else is driving it and yet stops nothing when I drive it, lol.


Edited by Kelly_Sereda, Apr 18 2018 - 00:16.


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View PostKelly_Sereda, on Apr 18 2018 - 00:16, said:

IS7 must be played different and I'll admit - I too am still learning this.  I think the T-10 still makes an as-good or better IS7 trainer because it teaches you how to manage your speed to get to good hull down spots and not to over-extend.  At tier X, the IS7 UFP is also commonly penned.  The biggest surprise for me was the gun on the IS7.  All the guns on the IS line were predictably, serviceably good and T-10 is amazing.  IS-7 seems to be a step behind the T-10 gun to me.


 

More than any other tank for me, the IS7 seems hard to pen when someone else is driving it and yet stops nothing when I drive it, lol.

I gave up trying to learn the IS-7 / tier 10 for now due to the event. 

 

I used to love the piked nose but now it is just a far bigger hindrance.

 

Pre-replacement I loved the T-10. Picking it up again since I finished the 257, I'm starting to hate it. Mainly due to the gun. In theory it should be great. In practice, it rarely hits aimed targets. Not to mention bounces off easily penetrable targets.

 

Maybe it's the super heavy meta that makes the T-10 in my eyes so weak.

 

I completely agree with the sentiment of it seems to do well except driven by me!






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