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Capitaine_Triquet #1 Posted Apr 26 2018 - 10:43

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There is not much to say about Canadian tanks except for two:  the Ram II and the M4 Grizzly.

 

WOT has put the Ram II in the American branch when Canada was, in fact, was using British tanks.  Since Canada just had its self-rule from Britain in 1934 it was still much a vassal in the British army corp as it was the 3rd British 1st Canadian army.  The Ram II should be in the British line if you tag along history. The other problem with the Ram is that there is a confusion between the Ram Mk I and the Ram Mk II.  WOT calls the Ram II what is, in fact, a Ram Mk I training vehicle not meant for combat.  The Ram Mk II does not have a gunner turret on the front and the side doors do not exist in the casting of the upper portion of the hull.

 

Photo: “Canadian Tank Cruiser, Ram Mark II.”

https://www.tripadvisor.com/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g6499605-d218199-i224102369-The_Tank_Museum-Bovington_Wareham_Dorset_England.html

 

Canada did use the Sherman but it had its hull up-armored and with special pin/tracks.  The Sherman in its first iteration was considered by Canada a cruiser tank and renamed it the "Grizzly Mk I".  It was eventually up-gunned with the 17 pdr. gun like the British Firefly (for training but none saw action).

 

Grizzly I cruiser tank (Canadian M4A1 Sherman) - case report

 

http://panzerserra.blogspot.ca/2015/06/grizzly-i-cruiser-tank-canadian-m4a1.html

 


Edited by Capitaine_Triquet, Apr 26 2018 - 10:45.


Sgt_IronHide #2 Posted Apr 26 2018 - 11:07

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the Grizzly is on the ps4 but we need it for pc 

Thunder_Storm_713 #3 Posted Apr 26 2018 - 12:23

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Don't really care for historical accuracy. It doesn't affect me, I don't notice it, I don't care.

FrozenKemp #4 Posted Apr 26 2018 - 12:35

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I really do wish they'd ... for instance, give an option to exchange the Ram for a UK-tree one.  The problem is that the Ram was released for WoT before the British tanks were.  Good point about the machinegun turret in the model. 

 

I don't actually think there was anything unusual about the Grizzly armour.  Those extra patches match what was applied to Shermans used in Europe.  But, fun fact: many "Sherman" tanks on display across the US are Grizzlies, because not that many Shermans were shipped back from Europe to the US.



moogleslam #5 Posted Apr 26 2018 - 14:05

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I'd love to see a Canadian line, even if most of their tanks are borrowed from other nations.

The_Chieftain #6 Posted Apr 26 2018 - 19:41

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The reason that Ram, and one of the Sextons, are in the US line is simply because when they were released and people purchased them, there was no British line to put them into. You will note that the second Sexton, the researchable one, actually is on the British line. It’s just a matter of the release timing.

moon111 #7 Posted Apr 26 2018 - 20:02

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I just put a Canadian flag on my tanks, and have all my ammo, fuel and supplies delivered by CMP trucks. :P

FrozenKemp #8 Posted Apr 26 2018 - 20:19

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View Postmoon111, on Apr 26 2018 - 14:02, said:

I just put a Canadian flag on my tanks, and have all my ammo, fuel and supplies delivered by CMP trucks. :P

 

If you have gold to spare for more emblems, WG put in a historical Canadian WW2 emblem with a maple leaf.   I did put one on my Ram. 

Iron_Soul_Stealer #9 Posted Apr 26 2018 - 20:42

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View PostFrozenKemp, on Apr 26 2018 - 14:19, said:

 

If you have gold to spare for more emblems, WG put in a historical Canadian WW2 emblem with a maple leaf.   I did put one on my Ram. 

Nice touch, Wargaming! ...:rolleyes:...I never noticed that new emblem, yet.

I'd consider using that one, too...but I don't have a Ram.



bockscar43 #10 Posted Apr 26 2018 - 20:48

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It should come with a Canadian emblem, but then wots would not eek out any gold from the purest base.

Iron_Soul_Stealer #11 Posted Apr 26 2018 - 20:51

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View Postbockscar43, on Apr 26 2018 - 14:48, said:

It should come with a Canadian emblem, but then wots would not eek out any gold from the purest base.

That's an even better idea! I like that.. :coin:

 

 



EddyMcChuckleNuggets #12 Posted Apr 27 2018 - 00:28

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View PostThe_Chieftain, on Apr 26 2018 - 09:41, said:

The reason that Ram, and one of the Sextons, are in the US line is simply because when they were released and people purchased them, there was no British line to put them into. You will note that the second Sexton, the researchable one, actually is on the British line. It’s just a matter of the release timing.

 

If I recall correctly, both Sextons are in the British line.

Edited by EddyMcChuckleNuggets, Apr 27 2018 - 00:29.


Omega_Weapon #13 Posted Apr 27 2018 - 08:16

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View Postmoogleslam, on Apr 26 2018 - 08:05, said:

I'd love to see a Canadian line, even if most of their tanks are borrowed from other nations.

 

​Don't think we need a full Canadian tree. I'd be quite happy to have some Canadian tanks on the British tech tree.

Dain_Ironfoot_ #14 Posted Apr 27 2018 - 12:52

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View PostThe_Chieftain, on Apr 26 2018 - 18:41, said:

The reason that Ram, and one of the Sextons, are in the US line is simply because when they were released and people purchased them, there was no British line to put them into. You will note that the second Sexton, the researchable one, actually is on the British line. It’s just a matter of the release timing.

 

Would it work for them to release the same tanks for an additional nation so, in some cases, you might be able to choose which nation you want the tank to be?  For example, the Rudy could also be released as part of the Polish nation.

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View PostDain_Ironfoot_, on Apr 27 2018 - 06:52, said:

 

Would it work for them to release the same tanks for an additional nation so, in some cases, you might be able to choose which nation you want the tank to be?  For example, the Rudy could also be released as part of the Polish nation.

 

​The Rudy is a tank from a Polish TV show and the crew all have Polish names. It should be removed from the Russian national line and moved over to the Polish line as soon as the Polish tech tree is introduced into the game. Its not like there is a shortage of Premium Russian tanks in the game. People who still prefer to keep a Russian medium instead can get some other T-34 with a Russian crew as a replacement, but Rudy deserves to be with the rest of the Polish tanks.

shapeshifter #16 Posted May 01 2018 - 00:00

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View PostCapitaine_Triquet, on Apr 26 2018 - 04:43, said:

There is not much to say about Canadian tanks except for two:  the Ram II and the M4 Grizzly.

 

WOT has put the Ram II in the American branch when Canada was, in fact, was using British tanks.  Since Canada just had its self-rule from Britain in 1934 it was still much a vassal in the British army corp as it was the 3rd British 1st Canadian army.  The Ram II should be in the British line if you tag along history. The other problem with the Ram is that there is a confusion between the Ram Mk I and the Ram Mk II.  WOT calls the Ram II what is, in fact, a Ram Mk I training vehicle not meant for combat.  The Ram Mk II does not have a gunner turret on the front and the side doors do not exist in the casting of the upper portion of the hull.

 

Photo: “Canadian Tank Cruiser, Ram Mark II.”

https://www.tripadvisor.com/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g6499605-d218199-i224102369-The_Tank_Museum-Bovington_Wareham_Dorset_England.html

 

Canada did use the Sherman but it had its hull up-armored and with special pin/tracks.  The Sherman in its first iteration was considered by Canada a cruiser tank and renamed it the "Grizzly Mk I".  It was eventually up-gunned with the 17 pdr. gun like the British Firefly (for training but none saw action).

 

Grizzly I cruiser tank (Canadian M4A1 Sherman) - case report

 

http://panzerserra.blogspot.ca/2015/06/grizzly-i-cruiser-tank-canadian-m4a1.html

 

 

The Ram I was any of the first 50 hulls that mounted the 2 pdr.

 

Ram I pilot (fully cast turret front)

 

The Ram II was anything with a 6 pdr and up. This included the 6 pdr MK III and longer V as well as the QF 75mm. This would included any hull with the cupola or even some versions of the side doors still evident on the hulls all the way up to the final hulls with the removal of the cupola and more M4 type hull MG.

 

Design changes happened as time went on, things like the hull changing shape slightly allowing  the differential cover changing from the M3 three piece to the later M4 three piece and having the ability to mount the single piece cast covers if required.

 

Suspension changing to the late heavier VVSS, CDP tracks were used on Ram's as well as the Grizzly and sextons.


The vision ports in the side doors changed, being removed and replaced with ventilators then eventually the doors themselves got axed leading to a single piece casting on the sides. Same goes for the turret they were eventually removed, replaced with more British round nose plug types or welded up.

 

Hull armour changed a few times, they lightened it in a few areas they felt it did not need to be as thick, while increasing it in other areas they felt were vulnerable like the engine roof areas. Same went for the Turret with changes happening like the removal of the bolted on access hatch on the rear, improvements to the interior gun mantlet, improvements to the bolt on turret cover etc.

 

The engine was changed from the R975-EC2 with the R975-C1

 

Other quality of life improvements were given like stabilizers, armored ammo bins, better vision devices for all crew members, improved AA MG and so on.

 

A Ram or two could easily be added to the tech tree, there are numerous guns that could be mounted, a few turret versions, engine types, hull types, suspensions and the like.

 

 

There are various other vehicles that could be added that are unique for the Canadians, the Ram 3.7" AT/AA, the 3.7" Ram/Grizzly assault SPG, the Ram M10 with power traverse as examples.


Edited by shapeshifter, May 01 2018 - 00:06.


shapeshifter #17 Posted Nov 12 2018 - 00:19

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album of photos taken by 8Hassar showing off the interior mantlet and early turret.

 

https://imgur.com/a/JpHAxql

 

 

This is something not modeled in game FYI, we simply have a 76mm turret front and nothing else. It would be like having the early M4 in game having no exterior mantlet count as armour.


Edited by shapeshifter, Nov 12 2018 - 00:20.


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View PostCapitaine_Triquet, on Apr 26 2018 - 04:43, said:

Canada did use the Sherman but it had its hull up-armored and with special pin/tracks.  The Sherman in its first iteration was considered by Canada a cruiser tank and renamed it the "Grizzly Mk I".  It was eventually up-gunned with the 17 pdr. gun like the British Firefly (for training but none saw action).

 

No. Just stop.

 

The Grizzly was cancelled mid-production after only 188 were built because US production was deemed sufficient for Allied needs. The Grizzly is an M4A1 with slightly different tracks. That's it. A small batch was fitted with 17 pounders, not the entire series as you seem to imply.

 

The standard tank for the Canadian Army was the M4A4, or Sherman V, with M4A2, or Sherman III, being used to a lesser degree (though the M4A4 largely remained in Europe after the war and the M4A2 was brought back to Canada).






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