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Hanz_Gooblemienhoffen_42 #21 Posted May 03 2018 - 19:41

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Pretty much every pref MM T8 tank needs an overhaul, but to be honest the KV5 and IS6 should be in front of the SP.

 

Why? Cause SP still has decent pen and while arm isn't great..its certainly light years ahead of KV5.

 

Both Kv5 and IS6 have guns with such anemic penetration that they pretty much cannot pen many tanks they face.

 

Kv5:   167 and 219

IS-6:  175 and 217

SP:    192 and 258

 

Both those Russian prems need to be in front of SP which can still pen many of the tanks it faces if you're willing to spend some credits...Kv5 and IS6..even with prem will struggle to pen most T9s and many of the new T8 Prems.

 

The rumour is that WG will finally just get rid of all pref MM tanks and give them complete overhauls and add them back as reg premiums. Honestly at this point...i think thats probably the best idea.

 

I mean with the way they've changed the game and the new prems added..they pretty much have eliminated pref MM cause no one plays them much anymore. :)



Hellsfog #22 Posted May 03 2018 - 20:19

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View PostDoublenut, on May 03 2018 - 13:09, said:

gun is underpowered against the new tier 9's and 10's

 

If only it saw tier 10's you might be right.  Please make an effort hide that you're an [edited]. 



vinnybagadonuts #23 Posted May 03 2018 - 20:25

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I think most owners would be satisfied if it simply were as mobile as most medium tier8 tanks in the game.

 

as it is now, even heavies outpace it.



GeorgePreddy #24 Posted May 03 2018 - 20:40

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View PostDoublenut, on May 03 2018 - 15:09, said:

gun is underpowered against the new tier 9's and 10's

 

It never sees tier 10 tanks, though.

Kamahl1234 #25 Posted May 03 2018 - 20:43

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View PostYANKEE137, on May 03 2018 - 18:14, said:

The actual vehicle had an extra long, higher velocity 90mm gun designed to kill the King tiger. I could see buffing the shell velocity and the pen to tier 9 levels as reasonable. The bow machine gun hole should stay as a weak spot because that is exactly what it is- a hole in the armor plate. Engine speed should match Pershing -from what I've read about it the added weight increased component wear on the front end but didn't reduce the speed.

 As an owner I'm all for making it normal MM with reasonable buffs.


 

 

The added armor affected engine performance in terms of acceleration. You can't put literal tons of armor onto a tank not designed for that base weight, and not see performance degradation. That's not how it works. It's like putting a large trailer on your truck. Your acceleration will go down. Top speed won't, but it will take you longer to get there.

 

But it's also a medium, we don't need insane pen either, as this is exactly how power-creep (which is part of what this post is complaining about) happens. If you bring up the lower performing tanks to combat good tanks a tier higher directly, you are creeping the average performance, in many cases by a lot if you try to make things frontally competitive to the better heavies. 

 

One thing to note on the historical SP was that it used this exact gun, only it only fired APCR. If it was released as such it would see tier 10s and never have had pref MM, or likely had the armor buff it had. 258mm would be insane for a medium, event he T34 only has 248mm and that's crazy high for tier 8 non-TDs. 



Kamahl1234 #26 Posted May 03 2018 - 20:52

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View PostYANKEE137, on May 03 2018 - 18:30, said:

 

I was not talking about the in game gun. The Super P's cannon was a longer barreled, higher velocity 90mm than was mounted on the standard Pershing. It was an experimental weapon and they worried that the long barrel could strike the ground and be damaged on slopes. The demand was such following the King Tiger's debut in France that they deployed anyway.

 

You actually are. The T15E1/E2/T54 guns (all the guns on the SP, first being large one piece ammunition, second being two piece ammunition, latter being short but wide casing ammuniton). The SP fired APCR, of which we have 258mm of pen in-game, but for balance reasons a tier 8 medium isn't getting above the TD average, especially with good armor and pref MM. 

 

The Pershing's mounted the M3, largely. The top gun we have on the Pershing in-game is the SP's cannon, the T15E2M2 (M2 to allow it to be balanced separately and not shared). 



nicodeimous #27 Posted May 03 2018 - 21:10

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View PostKerchow, on May 03 2018 - 13:10, said:

The SP needs an invincible UFP and mantlet. Tanks like the UDES can butter through the upper plate instead of going for the easy weakspots. If the tank could only be penned in its weakspots, it would be alright for a pref mm medium.

 

A bit more engine power would be welcome too, but it doesn’t need a massive overhaul. 

 

​UDES has tier 9 / 10 pen it SHOULD butter through a tier 8 premium!

xxBigbacon #28 Posted May 03 2018 - 21:14

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When i play mine, penned by everything straight through the front. 

 

Fighting one in a tank like the grill 15, bounces all the time

 

Cant win with this tank



xxBigbacon #29 Posted May 03 2018 - 21:16

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View PostHanz_Gooblemienhoffen_42, on May 03 2018 - 19:41, said:

Pretty much every pref MM T8 tank needs an overhaul, but to be honest the KV5 and IS6 should be in front of the SP.

 

Why? Cause SP still has decent pen and while arm isn't great..its certainly light years ahead of KV5.

 

Both Kv5 and IS6 have guns with such anemic penetration that they pretty much cannot pen many tanks they face.

 

Kv5:   167 and 219

IS-6:  175 and 217

SP:    192 and 258

 

Both those Russian prems need to be in front of SP which can still pen many of the tanks it faces if you're willing to spend some credits...Kv5 and IS6..even with prem will struggle to pen most T9s and many of the new T8 Prems.

 

The rumour is that WG will finally just get rid of all pref MM tanks and give them complete overhauls and add them back as reg premiums. Honestly at this point...i think thats probably the best idea.

 

I mean with the way they've changed the game and the new prems added..they pretty much have eliminated pref MM cause no one plays them much anymore. :)

 

problem is they will completely F this up. Some pref mm tanks dont need anything while others do.

 

Zero confidence that pref mm tanks will survive their "fix"



Staz211 #30 Posted May 03 2018 - 21:48

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I will agree that power creep has really hurt the SPs armor, which really was it's huge draws and strongest asset. A lot of tanks now can just aim center mass and go straight through the UFP, even on an angle. I'd love to see the SP get some love. 

 

And, as already stated in this thread, the KV-5 and IS-6 need some TLC as well. I took the IS-6 out for a spin about a month ago....yea, never again. 



Fractured_Raptor #31 Posted May 03 2018 - 22:04

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It could use a small pen boost. Maybe up it from 191 to 210. 

sleeper_agent #32 Posted May 03 2018 - 22:55

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The alpha and speed on the tank isnt the best but that troll armor makes playing this tank very entertaining when in the right defensive position.

TheseViolentDelights #33 Posted May 03 2018 - 22:59

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SP has the same pen as some non PMM mediums like the Patton KR.

vinnybagadonuts #34 Posted May 04 2018 - 01:52

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of all things that need a buff...its gun is nowhere near the top of the list

 

remove the gigantic weakspots in the turret, or improve its mobility...or both...if you ever hope to have this tank drop into a tier 10 match and lose its preff mm status



Destroyer669 #35 Posted Sep 19 2018 - 23:04

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honestly, the only changes it really needs is a higher pen. A bump to Alpha DMG wouldnt go unappreciated, neither would a buff to UFP and Mantlet, or engine power. asides from that, its not that bad atm




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