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How did Japan knock out allied tanks?


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Not_Connery #1 Posted May 07 2018 - 05:31

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So, whenever the issue of the M4's "inferiority" (I don't buy that crap) when compared to other tanks of its day are brought up, only the western European theatre is brought up (unless you're dealing with some REAL wackjob armchair generals/"what if" historians, in which case they start talking about how T-34's would beat any number of M4's easily).

 

But if you turn to the Pacific theatre of the war, you find that not just the M4, but many other tank designs that were actually inadequate against Germany by that time (such as the Valentine) were still quite capable against the mostly close support tanks of Japan.

 

So my question is what methods did Japan have at their disposal to reliably knock out allied tanks?



_Tsavo_ #2 Posted May 07 2018 - 05:37

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Terrain.  Mines.  Anti tank emplacements.  While America went with "the best counter to a tank is another tank" Japan didn't follow that doctrine.

 

Isn't the whole M4 = Robson thing a big pile of baloney?



KaiserWilhelmShatner #3 Posted May 07 2018 - 05:37

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Suicide bombs, suicide anti-tank rifle, mines, artillery, luck.

GeisterKatze #4 Posted May 07 2018 - 05:43

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Godzilla and Gaira always seemed effective against armor...

simba90 #5 Posted May 07 2018 - 05:59

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View Post_Tsavo, on May 07 2018 - 04:37, said:

Terrain.  Mines.  Anti tank emplacements.  While America went with "the best counter to a tank is another tank" Japan didn't follow that doctrine.

 

Isn't the whole M4 = Robson thing a big pile of baloney?

 

ronson, 

And yes, the ronson slogan is dated some time in the 1960's IIRC post-dating WW2 by some decades.



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The Japanese learned to aim for the tracks.  That's why, if you look up Australian Matildas, you'll see that the Australians fitted them with extra armour over the front of the tracks.  Also, the Japanese also used field guns and eventually the 47mm anti-tank gun.  There was the hollow-charge-weapon-on-a-stick suicide weapon, but that required an element of surprise.  Otherwise mines filled in, and hopefully some close support from aircraft with bombs.  The Japanese would fire everything they had at a tank, though, even when it had no hope.  There's an M3 Stuart in the War Memorial in Canberra, it's covered (and I mean covered - there's barely a square centimetre, let alone a square inch, without some sort of mark) with impacts from all kinds of projectiles from a Japanese ambush.  Only a few penetrations, though.  Think the crew survived.

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Suicide attacks, mines and emplacements. WW1 style.

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http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/AT.htm

Mad_Alien_Scientist #9 Posted May 07 2018 - 07:39

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Tons of reasons including beaches and jungles.

1Sherman #10 Posted May 17 2018 - 19:23

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They fought in the jungles where ambushes could be easily staged and where tanks would have no room to maneuver.

Beausabre #11 Posted May 08 2019 - 14:36

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For wackadoodle ideas, how about Admiral Rommel in the Pacific ?
 

https://www.abebooks...-193696600X/plp
 

I'm waiting for the sequel "With Yamamoto in the Desert"

 





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