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Nuckols #1 Posted Sep 06 2011 - 20:34

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Why, oh why, WoT? would you introduce a chinese tank into World Of Tanks that wasn't even manufactured until 1957-1958, WELL AFTER World War II was OVER?

WontEndWell #2 Posted Sep 06 2011 - 20:37

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View PostNuckols, on Sep 06 2011 - 20:34, said:

Why, oh why, WoT? would you introduce a chinese tank into World Of Tanks that wasn't even manufactured until 1957-1958, WELL AFTER World War II was OVER?

Because WWII isn't the end time frame of the game? And because they get a good chuckle out of the threads made by uninformed people that make topics complaining that a tank wasn't in WWII.

Tiger_23 #3 Posted Sep 06 2011 - 20:39

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View PostNuckols, on Sep 06 2011 - 20:34, said:

Why, oh why, WoT? would you introduce a chinese tank into World Of Tanks that wasn't even manufactured until 1957-1958, WELL AFTER World War II was OVER?

you have problems with chinese people lol

SFR_Orion126 #4 Posted Sep 06 2011 - 20:39

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To trick a giant population in purchasing it?

Gigaton #5 Posted Sep 06 2011 - 20:41

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As Overlord has said, it was a request from their Chinese partners. Since WG doesn't directly run the Chinese servers, they won't be directly selling it to Chinese players either.

Ironmonger69 #6 Posted Sep 06 2011 - 21:01

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Why are you complaining that there is a new premium in the game?  Besides, it's already in the game; it's basically a T-54.

Blizzard36 #7 Posted Sep 06 2011 - 21:05

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First of all, the Type 59 is more or less a T-54 which is already in the game, even if they didn't start making it until much later.

Second of all, there is still no confirmation they will even be using it on anything other than the Chinese server once it is out of beta test.

Lastly, the game is already so top heavy due to all the other tier 8 premiums in the game and still to come that if they DID use it in our servers it wouldn't be game breaking at all.  It's effectively a stock T-54 that matches as a T-44, or a T-44 with more armor.

Minds_Eye #8 Posted Sep 06 2011 - 21:32

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View PostNuckols, on Sep 06 2011 - 20:34, said:

Why, oh why, WoT? would you introduce a chinese tank into World Of Tanks that wasn't even manufactured until 1957-1958, WELL AFTER World War II was OVER?

Why they introduced a Chinese tank: To appeal to the Chinese players. There are already tanks in the game used by nations that they did not design themselves. Ram II, Churchill, Matilda, Valentine, and probably more.

And, like said before, but I'll say it again, the time frame of this game was not WWII only. It bugged me when the T-54 first came out because it was the latest-built tank in the game by far, but now I see they plan to release more tanks from that era, so I accept it a little more. So if the T-54 is here, why can't this be?

hawaiiandude241 #9 Posted Sep 06 2011 - 22:17

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View PostFRUMindsEye, on Sep 06 2011 - 21:32, said:

Why they introduced a Chinese tank: To appeal to the Chinese players. There are already tanks in the game used by nations that they did not design themselves. Ram II, Churchill, Matilda, Valentine, and probably more.

And, like said before, but I'll say it again, the time frame of this game was not WWII only. It bugged me when the T-54 first came out because it was the latest-built tank in the game by far, but now I see they plan to release more tanks from that era, so I accept it a little more. So if the T-54 is here, why can't this be?

Well since this new Type 59 is added under the Chinese nation, why can't the Ram II be under the canadian flag? Or Churchill under the british flag? I'm not against this new tank, I just wish the existing tanks would have the corresponding nation's flag to accompany them.

Dominatus #10 Posted Sep 06 2011 - 22:47

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View Posthawaiiandude241, on Sep 06 2011 - 22:17, said:

Well since this new Type 59 is added under the Chinese nation, why can't the Ram II be under the canadian flag? Or Churchill under the british flag? I'm not against this new tank, I just wish the existing tanks would have the corresponding nation's flag to accompany them.

Churchill being Lend-Lease can be Soviet, but it would make sense for the Ram-II to be Canadian.

cheesellama #11 Posted Sep 07 2011 - 02:01

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This game isn't just WW2. It's 1930s-1950s time frame.

Termina #12 Posted Sep 07 2011 - 02:27

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View PostBlizzard36, on Sep 06 2011 - 21:05, said:

Second of all, there is still no confirmation they will even be using it on anything other than the Chinese server once it is out of beta test.

Because it just cannot be said enough:
Yes.
There.
Is.

lancemate #13 Posted Sep 07 2011 - 02:34

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didn't I already make a thread for this? but if the type 59 realy is just a t54 clone,its one helluva good tank

Blizzard36 #14 Posted Sep 07 2011 - 03:05

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View PostTermina, on Sep 07 2011 - 02:27, said:

Because it just cannot be said enough:
Yes.
There.
Is.
Where.
Is.
It?

You're the first person I've seen in 4 or 5 convos to say they'd even seen confirmation, so lets see it.

Gigaton #15 Posted Sep 07 2011 - 03:14

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View PostBlizzard36, on Sep 07 2011 - 03:05, said:

You're the first person I've seen in 4 or 5 convos to say they'd even seen confirmation, so lets see it.

http://forum.worldof...test-qa-thread/

LeuCeaMia #16 Posted Sep 07 2011 - 08:58

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View PostNuckols, on Sep 06 2011 - 20:34, said:

Why, oh why, WoT? would you introduce a chinese tank into World Of Tanks that wasn't even manufactured until 1957-1958, WELL AFTER World War II was OVER?
Same reason the US line gets something that resembles the M47E2 stat wise which was a 1980's upgrade... at least they don't call it an M26 Pershing anymore...:lol:

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View PostWontEndWell, on Sep 06 2011 - 20:37, said:

Because WWII isn't the end time frame of the game? And because they get a good chuckle out of the threads made by uninformed people that make topics complaining that a tank wasn't in WWII.

they fought in WW2
http://worldwar2data.../html/china.htm

Seeing China embroiled in internal strife, Japan decided to advance on  Manchuria in 1931. They easily conquered the province, installed Chinese  Emperor Pu-Yi and renamed it Manchukuo. Chiang was caught between the  communists and the Japanese, and focused on defeating his Chinese  political rivals. In 1936 he was subjected to an abortive coup, which  the Communists extricated him from in exchange for promises to fight the  Japanese. Mao Zedong was getting money and supplies from the Soviet  Union in response to the anti-comitern pact.

http://mailer.fsu.ed...ina/pzkpfw1.jpg


Granted you are correct about the timeline:
The first vehicles were produced in 1958 and it was accepted into  service in 1959, with serial production beginning in 1963. Approximately  9,500 of the tanks were produced by the time production ended in 1980  with approximately 5,500 serving with the Chinese armed forces. The tank  formed the backbone of the Chinese People's Liberation Army until early 2000s. but hey they as will others will be in the game so why not start with a "strong" one.

And do not forget the American Patton tank was a late bloomer:
Patton tank may refer to: M46 Patton, a tank model operational during the Korean War; M47 Patton, a tank model in service from 1952 through 1959 with the U.S. Army
the Pershing:
http://en.wikipedia....ki/M26_Pershing
January 1945. They were given to the First Army, split between the Third and Ninth Armored Divisions.[37] A total of 310 T26E3 tanks would be sent to Europe before VE Day, but only the first 20 would see any combat action.


http://en.wikipedia..../T29_Heavy_Tank

T29 Heavy Tank
The Heavy Tank T29 was an American heavy tank project started in March 1944 to counter the new German tanks. The T26E3 (M26 Pershing), weighing around 45 tonnes, was not considered heavily enough armed or armored to counter the Tiger II, which weighed closer to 70 tonnes. The T29 was not ready in time for the war in Europe,  but it did provide post-war engineers with opportunities for testing  the engineering concepts in artillery and automotive components.


Double check almost half the tanks listed in the game never saw combat they were prototypes at best. So why not a Chinese tank?

thegreenbaron #18 Posted Sep 09 2011 - 04:17

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View PostIronmonger69, on Sep 06 2011 - 21:01, said:

Why are you complaining that there is a new premium in the game?  Besides, it's already in the game; it's basically a T-54.

That's incorrect.  The Type 59 (in reality) was based off the T-54A, a mid 1950's upgraded T-54, not the T-54 'in game'.  However, stats for the tank do not match the in game T-54, possibly for balance reasons, as it's one tier lower.  This is kind of silly, as the Type 59D and G series upgrades are considered thoroughly modern MBTs comparable to the M1A1/A2 Abrams.  I'd have made it a Tier 10 Premium

Rognik #19 Posted Sep 09 2011 - 05:27

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View PostFRUMindsEye, on Sep 06 2011 - 21:32, said:

It bugged me when the T-54 first came out because it was the latest-built tank in the game by far, but now I see they plan to release more tanks from that era, so I accept it a little more. So if the T-54 is here, why can't this be?
Sorry, but the only thing that bugs me more than people complaining about the time-frame of this game is when people do so incorrectly. The first T-54, the one that is in game, was made in 1945 and was first mass-produced in 1947, the same year that the first T30 and T34 prototypes were made. So the T-54 is well within the "time-frame" of the game. I think that people see the "-54" suffix on the tank and assume this means it was designed in 1954, which is not the case.

But all of this argument is pointless anyway. There should not be, and indeed will not be a defined date after which tanks are disqualified from being in game. As long as the tanks are balanced to compete with current tanks of the same tier, the real-life date is entirely meaningless. The only reason why the devs have stuck with tanks of the WW2 and post-WW2 era is because this period is the most interesting time in tank design, when there were many different classes of tracked armored vehicles that are no longer seen today.

When the new US heavies and the French tanks are finally released, the game will include tanks from the mid-to-late 1950s, the latest ones to date. And the game will still be just fine, because it will be balanced, and that's all that matters.

Troika #20 Posted Sep 09 2011 - 07:59

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The Type 59 is an inferior T-54 clone and has, effectively, a 100mm D10T. It's hardly overpowered.