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KingofDragons #21 Posted Jun 14 2018 - 19:15

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Ammo rack up front doesnt seem like a great idea... That first shot damaged your track and ammo rack yet the front of your tank was not exposed very much.. Must mean rack is way up front..

 

Indicators did not show what type of ammo was used against you... The Somua injured your driver on first shot than injured gunner on second .. Somua is a tall tank shooting down armor will not help..

 

ST1  shots that track like the Standard B and once again u get ammo racked... This battle shows 277 can not poke around  corners..

 

Also shows bad rack placement where there`s no protection..



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View PostKingofDragons, on Jun 14 2018 - 13:15, said:

Ammo rack up front doesnt seem like a great idea... That first shot damaged your track and ammo rack yet the front of your tank was not exposed very much.. Must mean rack is way up front..

 

Indicators did not show what type of ammo was used against you... The Somua injured your driver on first shot than injured gunner on second .. Somua is a tall tank shooting down armor will not help..

 

ST1  shots that track like the Standard B and once again u get ammo racked... This battle shows 277 can not poke around  corners..

 

Also shows bad rack placement where there`s no protection..

 

the first shot i took was my fault. the others was bs

KlaxosaurPrincess #23 Posted Jun 14 2018 - 22:32

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View PostVallanor, on Jun 15 2018 - 02:00, said:

 

lol i watched parts of the anime you sent me. that count?

 

Nope  isnt an official anime GG

Vallanor #24 Posted Jun 15 2018 - 02:45

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View PostHighCharity_AkemiHomura, on Jun 14 2018 - 16:32, said:

 

Nope  isnt an official anime GG

 

was that why the art kinda look funny?

FearTheBadger #25 Posted Jun 15 2018 - 03:27

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you know I can relate to your pain you out ran support and got into a 1v2 1v3 situation where I find myself also more that I care to admit.  while those other 2 guys on ur team they won't help.  Played 6 games in that obj 277 and 6 loses.  palyers tell me to play that tank like mid=range support until u get use to it

 

I'm going to try that out



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So your proof is that you out ran all your support and got mobbed? That seems pretty flimsy... especially since if you had been in a T-10 you would have been just as dead since that Somua had 2 shots left (while you would have had 441 health left in a T-10 so even two maximum low rolls of 225 would have killed you) and the T-10 doesnt exactly have good frontal armor when presented with a gun that has 232mm of penetration especially since you would have been showing him a flat pike and he was slightly above you shooting down into it. (would have been even more butter if it had been APCR he was slinging, which its very possible it was).

 

Also that second ammo rak from the ST-I was avoidable... you poked out with your drive wheel exposed (which is roughly where the ammo rack is (and is roughly where it is on Chinese tanks as well)) and got bopped for it.

 

This is really flimsy proof of the tank being bad. Its fantasitc proof of good players being fallible and making bad decision though.



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View PostAvalon304, on Jun 14 2018 - 22:07, said:

So your proof is that you out ran all your support and got mobbed? That seems pretty flimsy... especially since if you had been in a T-10 you would have been just as dead since that Somua had 2 shots left (while you would have had 441 health left in a T-10 so even two maximum low rolls of 225 would have killed you) and the T-10 doesnt exactly have good frontal armor when presented with a gun that has 232mm of penetration especially since you would have been showing him a flat pike and he was slightly above you shooting down into it. (would have been even more butter if it had been APCR he was slinging, which its very possible it was).

 

Also that second ammo rak from the ST-I was avoidable... you poked out with your drive wheel exposed (which is roughly where the ammo rack is (and is roughly where it is on Chinese tanks as well)) and got bopped for it.

 

This is really flimsy proof of the tank being bad. Its fantasitc proof of good players being fallible and making bad decision though.

 

Damn. im so used to playing tier 10 heavies that i thought i could be aggressive against lower tiers.  I make that play all the time with T-10 and Meds and i 1 v 3 or more and i do fine. You have not played the Obj 277 so your comment whether or not the tank is good is irrelevant.

 


Edited by Vallanor, Jun 15 2018 - 06:57.


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View PostFearTheBadger, on Jun 14 2018 - 21:27, said:

you know I can relate to your pain you out ran support and got into a 1v2 1v3 situation where I find myself also more that I care to admit.  while those other 2 guys on ur team they won't help.  Played 6 games in that obj 277 and 6 loses.  palyers tell me to play that tank like mid=range support until u get use to it

 

I'm going to try that out

 

Tier 10 heavy as support? might as well play a scout

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View PostVallanor, on Jun 14 2018 - 22:51, said:

 

Damn. im so used to playing tier 10 heavies that i thought i could be aggressive against lower tiers.  I make that play all the time with T-10 and Meds and i 1 v 3 or more and i do fine. You have not played the Obj 277 so your comment whether or not the tank is good is irrelevant.

 

 

And if you had been in the T-10 in that same situation in the video, having taken the same damaging shots you would still be dead. It doesnt matter how many times youve made that same play and survived, you went up against multiple enemies, and they pushed their advantage when they saw you were alone. You played poorly and are blaming your tank instead of yourself. You should have heald back and either waited for support or stayed with your team so you could have more guns in the fight. You shouldnt have poked the ST-I a second time, exposing the same weak ammo rack that you exposed to the Standard B.

 

Play to your tank. Not how you think your tank should be played. If you want a frontline heavy play something else. Its a T-10 a tier higher, with the same weak-ish armor and good gun.



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I mostly agree, this thing is ridiculously underwhelming. First few games I got rofl stomped. And I went in trying to play how I would a T-10. The speed is fantastic, but the average gun stats, mediocre armor, and very poor ammo rack and fuel tank placement just make it so hard to rely on being a heavy. At least hulldown it can work. But I'm really just underwhelmed by what I thought would be the 5A's replacement in pubbies and CW.

At least it looks dope tho.



RC_1140 #31 Posted Jun 15 2018 - 09:35

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Its a good tank, I offer replays as proof. 

 

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4404470#lakeville-rc_1140-object_277

6k damage clubbing t8's. Was aggressive in the beginning. 

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4404458#erlenberg-rc_1140-object_277

5.2k and someone I know on the other team. Not much else to say.

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4404473#erlenberg-rc_1140-object_277

5k, and I do have some issues with its armor. Bet you can tell I like this map.

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4404457#siegfried_line-rc_1140-object_277

4.8k and 3.8k blocked, super lucky shot on the light in the beginning. 

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4404461#siegfried_line-rc_1140-object_277

4.4k nothing special. But watching it I was too cautious at the end maybe. 

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4404453#malinovka-rc_1140-object_277

4.4k and 3k spotting. I got totally wrecked on the hill be was able to pull out and have an ok game. Still think I could have done something different to get a win but meh.

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4404466#ensk-rc_1140-object_277

 3.8k and over 5k blocked.  Although at the end I fail getting the reset and make us lose. That was all my fault. 

 

Also it seems like modules are messed up in replays? My fuel tank was taking damage whenever my track was. 

 


Edited by RC_1140, Jun 15 2018 - 09:44.


LpBronco #32 Posted Jun 15 2018 - 11:17

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The tank takes damage, ammo rack damage and broken tracks when hit in the drive wheel (...and apparently excessive crew damage). That's just to weak to be viable. I thought I read that WG had moved the fuel tanks and ammo racks on this so they know it's an issue.



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View PostLpBronco, on Jun 15 2018 - 03:17, said:

The tank takes damage, ammo rack damage and broken tracks when hit in the drive wheel (...and apparently excessive crew damage). That's just to weak to be viable. I thought I read that WG had moved the fuel tanks and ammo racks on this so they know it's an issue.

 

Many Chinese tanks, including the 5A, have their ammo racks in similar locations to the 277.

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You were out numbered and a auto loader was present! if u had help they would have been less on you.

Springfield_Fats #35 Posted Jun 15 2018 - 15:50

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Of course it's [edited], it's not a premium they can make money off so what do you think they'd do? Properly balance it? Lol

KingofDragons #36 Posted Jun 15 2018 - 17:25

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We not concentrating on the game play..We are concentrating on the Tank's weakness.. The fact is you should not have such a weakness that when your front drives get hit it does such damage.. Poor placement of ammo rack by WG.. It belongs just in front of engine middle of Tank..

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View PostAvalon304, on Jun 15 2018 - 02:12, said:

 

And if you had been in the T-10 in that same situation in the video, having taken the same damaging shots you would still be dead. It doesnt matter how many times youve made that same play and survived, you went up against multiple enemies, and they pushed their advantage when they saw you were alone. You played poorly and are blaming your tank instead of yourself. You should have heald back and either waited for support or stayed with your team so you could have more guns in the fight. You shouldnt have poked the ST-I a second time, exposing the same weak ammo rack that you exposed to the Standard B.

 

Play to your tank. Not how you think your tank should be played. If you want a frontline heavy play something else. Its a T-10 a tier higher, with the same weak-ish armor and good gun.

 

Well no. with the T-10 i would have took a few shots and i would fall back to the hill behind where if they followed the KV would have shots. but because i lost my driver, i would not been able to fall back as fast.  so i push to the hill in front to try to cover my lower plate. i think the t-10 would bounce some of those shots too. Tier for tier, the T-10 is better for being able to take damage without have your ammorack broken or someone dying

Edited by Vallanor, Jun 15 2018 - 20:18.


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View PostRC_1140, on Jun 15 2018 - 03:35, said:

Its a good tank, I offer replays as proof. 

 

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4404470#lakeville-rc_1140-object_277

6k damage clubbing t8's. Was aggressive in the beginning. 

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4404458#erlenberg-rc_1140-object_277

5.2k and someone I know on the other team. Not much else to say.

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4404473#erlenberg-rc_1140-object_277

5k, and I do have some issues with its armor. Bet you can tell I like this map.

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4404457#siegfried_line-rc_1140-object_277

4.8k and 3.8k blocked, super lucky shot on the light in the beginning. 

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4404461#siegfried_line-rc_1140-object_277

4.4k nothing special. But watching it I was too cautious at the end maybe. 

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4404453#malinovka-rc_1140-object_277

4.4k and 3k spotting. I got totally wrecked on the hill be was able to pull out and have an ok game. Still think I could have done something different to get a win but meh.

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4404466#ensk-rc_1140-object_277

 3.8k and over 5k blocked.  Although at the end I fail getting the reset and make us lose. That was all my fault. 

 

Also it seems like modules are messed up in replays? My fuel tank was taking damage whenever my track was. 

 

 

Trust me i have good games in it too. like any high tier i can pull off 5k-6k games. but this tank has problems with its fuel tanks and ammorack

Edited by Vallanor, Jun 15 2018 - 20:23.


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View PostKingofDragons, on Jun 15 2018 - 11:25, said:

We not concentrating on the game play..We are concentrating on the Tank's weakness.. The fact is you should not have such a weakness that when your front drives get hit it does such damage.. Poor placement of ammo rack by WG.. It belongs just in front of engine middle of Tank..

 

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View PostVallanor, on Jun 15 2018 - 12:14, said:

 

Well no. with the T-10 i would have took a few shots and i would fall back to the hill behind where if they followed the KV would have shots. but because i lost my driver, i would not been able to fall back as fast.  so i push to the hill in front to try to cover my lower plate. i think the t-10 would bounce some of those shots too. Tier for tier, the T-10 is better for being able to take damage without have your ammorack broken or someone dying

 

No... the likely situation is you still get penned through the upper plate because the Somua is shooting down on it, and your positioning would have had you exposing a flat portion of the pike, at which point its not very strong.. The driver is in the same place on the T-10 as it is on the 277, right in the middle front of the hull. With 2 shots directly into your front, your driver still dies most likely. And you still end up dead. Because while youre attempting to fall back your leave your self exposed to whatever shells the Somua has + the ST-I if it wants to poke out. So you either die in exactly the same spot, or die further back trying to extracate yourself from a terrible position that you put yourself in.

 

Ive lost my driver in the same situation as the T-10 and my ammo rack. Dont expose stupidly and the weak ammo rack isnt an issue.

 

The tank is fine, its weaknesses arent that bad, and are more than outweighted by the strengths it does have (which include both its gun and speed, both of which are T-10 levels or better). The tank is not a bad tank. It is at worst an average tank, that combines traits from both the IS-7 and WZ-111 5A into a very comfortable and capable package.







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