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Blackhorse_Six_ #121 Posted Sep 11 2011 - 02:17

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Chieftain, First of all thank you for your service. I will be looking forward to your columns.

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Well i was a tanker in RL ... I was the Number one man of a crew of seven that serve on the modern day M109(A6)"Paladin" My job duties were many, with the most imporant of them being the "Trigger man" I initially did pre-fire checks and services up to and after the moment the crew chief calls fire verbally and with physical motion, loaded the gun, and maintained the breach (not specifically in that order).

                                                                                   When going thru basic/AIT for field artillery I was taught that since the 12th century , Arty in general is responsible of all casulties, a fearsome weapons system the modern day SPG is, with history and roots that run far back to before 1 A.D., and only being overshadowed by infantry themselves....


"Turn on the heater if it’s cold (if it works). The tank is much less muddy to sleep on than the ground. 30km road marches completed in under an hour."

That can tell you is a lie ! lol, i did alotta ruckin in my days, there is no heater, only a NBC system (for those nasty N.B.C.'s) and a quart sized water heater....

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View PostThe_Chieftain, on Sep 10 2011 - 18:57, said:

Realistically speaking, it's also stupid that SPG is shooting indirect at 500m range. Just accept it and move on :)



The Germans did develop a proprotype track-re-linker in 1944 capable of re-tracking a Tiger's track in about 45 seconds. It proved far too cumbersome for field use as it basically required that the tank tow a tank-sized trailer with the machine on it into the battlefield.



You will forgive me, but I wish to continue enjoying the game anonymously for now. A number of people have already identified me, and they have agreed to not spread it around for a bit. You can imagine what would happen to me as soon as "The_Chieftain" shows up on a battlefield.




Yes. Colloquially termed 'scratching your buddy's back'



Not so much 'second' as 'oh my God, the co-ax and .50 call have both jammed, what can we do?'



Yes. I must go check if Beehive is still in use on the MGS.



I've got to have something to write about in the articles... Patience!

Not that this is a game of 'trip up The Chieftain' (I surrender right now, I can't know everything), but I'll have a crack.

1) How did the NBC system come to be on the Abrams battle tank?   The immediate thought is that as M60 had it, it was a default that M1 would. Presumably you have something more specific in mind.
2) What is used in paint on the Abrams tank to help reduce visibility? CARC contains aliphatic polyurethane or epoxy polyamide enamel depending on where on/in the vehicle the item to be painted is. However, the paint is designed for chemical resistance and ease of cleaning. To reduce visibility, dark colour pigments and to reduce people falling off the tank, a rough, anti-slip coating is sprayed onto the horizontal/near-horizontal surfaces
3) Why do U.S. Tanks disconnect the diesel exhaust smoke screen injectors on the Abrams battle tank?VESS was designed for diesel, not JP-8. It's disabled on Bradleys as well.
4) How much does each link of track weigh on an M88A1? Enough that I've seen people punished by having to lug one around all day.
5) What type of brakes does the Abrams battle tank have which contributes to its quick stopping ability?Multiple wet plate, service and parking, power assisted to 300psi, and integral to the transmission.
6) Why does the Abrams battle tank as of late 2000 have switches on the drivers hatch?We kept running out of drivers. Something to do with their heads getting crushed.
7) Why do Abrams battle tanks have problems with NBC filters?They seem to keep catching fire.
8) What makes the halon fire suppression system on the Abrams battle tank faulty if not deadly?Dunno, but it gives you a hell of a shock when it goes off. Also gave my driver's shoulder a cold burn.
*bonus* 9) Why cant you switch road wheels from an M88 tank to an Abrams or vice versa?Probably the same reason you can't fit road wheels from a Chieftain tank to an Abrams or vice versa. Different wheels for different vehicles. You have issues with size, hubs, lubrication system.
*bonus* 10) What is the Abrams battle tank designed after and what company makes both tanks? It came after XM803, itself a tank developed after they gave up on MBT-70. General Motors built both those, the latter in conjunction with Germany.


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I have been there, but to give you an idea as to how long ago, my photographs need to be scanned.

1.Did Central museum of Moscow mention the Christie suspension contribution to their tank development?

Not that I noticed. CMAF did not go into detail on anything that I could see.

Also would be interesting to know behind the scenes reason for US Army's decline of same; not just usual drivel of having functional bogie springs system already. 2.When asking question of game developers as to why equivalent calibers; ie, 88, 85, and 90mm; from different countries have widely different loading times; one isn't satisfied with superficial answer that there are many variables. If one has more than superficial interest, we want in depth reason and citations of sources or at least statement of intelligent hunch. 3. In same vein, deeper discussion of background of US Army's decision to use low velocity 75mm gun before WW II and at Tidworth conference in 1943 to stay withit.

I'll see what I can find out, but four Hunnicutt books just came in the mail, and they are going to take some serious time out of my day. As for loading time, my 'intelligent hunch' is play balance. Notice how the 105mm on T29 loads much slower than that of T34 though they were basically the same gun in the same turret. Of course, there's probably some crew ergonomics issues involved as well.


The answers, tho detailed and partly correct, are not ALL correct.
   1) The NBC system was an afterthought on the Abrams from the XM1. The NBC system connects directly to the top of the 1000HP +/- Diesel turbine fuel chamber and crosses over the turret hydraulics which connect tot he secondary gearbox (which, incidentally has a wineglass gear for the turbine starter) and goes through the left side of the hull just below the turret to where the prototype XM1 sponson box was.

   2) While those items have validity for paint, the U.S. Army uses sand in the paint which may or may not be current as of this date, but was as of December 2000.

   3) Absolutely correct other than an explanation as to WHY. The JP-8 fuel is explosive. You don't want to blow up your tanks ass making your smoke screen.

   4) Each link of track for an M88A1 Hercules recovery tank is 88Lbs (Been a while since reading my TM's and other manuals, however. I THINK the Abrams track is the same on one of the variants).

   5)Yes, the Abrams uses wet brakes inside the transmissions (Just a tidbit here.. You don't know annoying until you remove the Abrams transmission inspection plate. I HATE those damn servos. Tiny ass wires that if above a servo are severed when putting the plate back on.)

   6) And, yes. The reason for the switches on the hatches was/is to prevent drivers from getting their helmets caught in the turret as it traverses. Which, as an aside, is an overly affective way of snapping ones neck.

   7) The reason the Abrams tank has problems with the NBC filters is because the idiotic TC's would remove the flashlight bulb lights from the warning indicators on the TC panel. The filters would over fill with crap, overheat, and explode. Did I mention the filters are directly behind and to the left of the driver and the diesel turbine computer for the Abrams is directly under those 2 barrel filters?

   8) Which brings us to the annoying ass Halon suppressors. One of which is directly behind the Abrams driver on the right at head level.
The idiotic engineers who made the halon electrical system so stupidly cheap made them so cheap that static discharge would set them off. Halon is a deadly gas that destroys oxygen... Ever Breath Halon and live to tell about it? Halon systems going off, means you go out of tank expeditiously.

   9) The specific reason you can not switch road wheels between the M1A1/M1A2 and the M88 tanks is simple. Too simple actually. The road wheels are identical, except for one thing. The Abrams wheels are aluminum and the M88 Hercules wheels are steel. Ever see what happens when you put a M88 Hercules road wheel on the aluminum road arm of the Abrams???? You don't want to.

   10) As for the Abrams battle tank.... Take a look at the British challenger tank. VERY similar design, and both are made by none other than United Defense which is now BAE systems. Read the following links for information regarding the company, the Abrams, and the Challenger (vickers design) This does of course mean to do your own research for validity.:

    1) http://en.wikipedia....iki/Vickers_plc
    2) http://en.wikipedia....allenger_2_tank
    3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams
    4) http://www.baesystems.com/

As for further information on this last item, I would look up the rest, but that takes the fun out of those that don't believe me :P Little research goes a LONG way.
   As for the questions as a whole, I was not asking to make anyone look stupid. Just a friendly game soldier-to-soldier, just like we all do to each other. It keeps us on our toes. And we like it. "De Oppresso Liber"  "mission first, people always".

                                                                                                                Sincerely,
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View Postdrakonniz, on Sep 11 2011 - 02:59, said:

The answers, tho detailed and partly correct, are not ALL correct.
   1) The NBC system was an afterthought on the Abrams from the XM1. The NBC system connects directly to the top of the 1000HP +/- Diesel turbine fuel chamber and crosses over the turret hydraulics which connect tot he secondary gearbox (which, incidentally has a wineglass gear for the turbine starter) and goes through the left side of the hull just below the turret to where the prototype XM1 sponson box was.

   2) While those items have validity for paint, the U.S. Army uses sand in the paint which may or may not be current as of this date, but was as of December 2000.

   3) Absolutely correct other than an explanation as to WHY. The JP-8 fuel is explosive. You don't want to blow up your tanks ass making your smoke screen.

   4) Each link of track for an M88A1 Hercules recovery tank is 88Lbs (Been a while since reading my TM's and other manuals, however. I THINK the Abrams track is the same on one of the variants).

   5)Yes, the Abrams uses wet brakes inside the transmissions (Just a tidbit here.. You don't know annoying until you remove the Abrams transmission inspection plate. I HATE those damn servos. Tiny ass wires that if above a servo are severed when putting the plate back on.)

   6) And, yes. The reason for the switches on the hatches was/is to prevent drivers from getting their helmets caught in the turret as it traverses. Which, as an aside, is an overly affective way of snapping ones neck.

   7) The reason the Abrams tank has problems with the NBC filters is because the idiotic TC's would remove the flashlight bulb lights from the warning indicators on the TC panel. The filters would over fill with crap, overheat, and explode. Did I mention the filters are directly behind and to the left of the driver and the diesel turbine computer for the Abrams is directly under those 2 barrel filters?

   8) Which brings us to the annoying ass Halon suppressors. One of which is directly behind the Abrams driver on the right at head level.
The idiotic engineers who made the halon electrical system so stupidly cheap made them so cheap that static discharge would set them off. Halon is a deadly gas that destroys oxygen... Ever Breath Halon and live to tell about it? Halon systems going off, means you go out of tank expeditiously.

   9) The specific reason you can not switch road wheels between the M1A1/M1A2 and the M88 tanks is simple. Too simple actually. The road wheels are identical, except for one thing. The Abrams wheels are aluminum and the M88 Hercules wheels are steel. Ever see what happens when you put a M88 Hercules road wheel on the aluminum road arm of the Abrams???? You don't want to.

   10) As for the Abrams battle tank.... Take a look at the British challenger tank. VERY similar design, and both are made by none other than United Defense which is now BAE systems. Read the following links for information regarding the company, the Abrams, and the Challenger (vickers design) This does of course mean to do your own research for validity.:

    1) http://en.wikipedia....iki/Vickers_plc
    2) http://en.wikipedia....allenger_2_tank
    3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams
    4) http://www.baesystems.com/

As for further information on this last item, I would look up the rest, but that takes the fun out of those that don't believe me :P Little research goes a LONG way.
   As for the questions as a whole, I was not asking to make anyone look stupid. Just a friendly game soldier-to-soldier, just like we all do to each other. It keeps us on our toes. And we like it. "De Oppresso Liber"  "mission first, people always".

                                                                                                                Sincerely,
                                                                                                          Duane Dalles Schlender, D.A.V.


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Fair one. You got me on a number of them. However...

View Postdrakonniz, on Sep 11 2011 - 02:59, said:

   4) Each link of track for an M88A1 Hercules recovery tank is 88Lbs (Been a while since reading my TM's and other manuals, however. I THINK the Abrams track is the same on one of the variants).

HERCULES is an acronym (Heavy Equipment Recovery Combat Utility Lift and Evacuation System), and applies only to the M88A2 variant. With its introduction into service, M88A1 became the MRV. Though superficially similar to the T97 track of old, early M1s used T156 tracks with the chevron pattern. T158 is the current track.

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   10) As for the Abrams battle tank.... Take a look at the British challenger tank. VERY similar design, and both are made by none other than United Defense which is now BAE systems. Read the following links for information regarding the company, the Abrams, and the Challenger (vickers design) This does of course mean to do your own research for validity.:

Abrams is manufactured by General Dynamics Land Systems, formerly a subsidiary of Chrysler. BAE, formely UD, formerly FMC, are the manufacturers of Bradley and M113. The development of Abrams and Challenger had little to do with each other, except for the use of the British armour plate. Oh, and the FCS of CR2 is apparently developed from that of M1A2.

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As a retired M1A1/A2 Master Gunner and a tanker for 20 years...I have a few different reaosns to some of these questions.


Not all of them, just some as you all answered them here and there.


  
   7) The reason the Abrams tank has problems with the NBC filters is because the idiotic TC's would remove the flashlight bulb lights from the warning indicators on the TC panel. The filters would over fill with crap, overheat, and explode. Did I mention the filters are directly behind and to the left of the driver and the diesel turbine computer for the Abrams is directly under those 2 barrel filters?

ALSO...you have to USE/EXERCISE equipment otherwise they go bad.  PMCS, NOT just the bulbs being removed was a reason. Tank Crews and idiotic TC's being lazy and not doing proper PMCS.
Never had a problem with them.



   8) Which brings us to the annoying ass Halon suppressors. One of which is directly behind the Abrams driver on the right at head level.
The idiotic engineers who made the halon electrical system so stupidly cheap made them so cheap that static discharge would set them off. Halon is a deadly gas that destroys oxygen... Ever Breath Halon and live to tell about it? Halon systems going off, means you go out of tank expeditiously.

Halon is NOT a deadly gas. I have been in and around a HALON discharge and it does take the air out of you, and what kills you is lack of oxygen if you don't follow procedure.

  

   10) As for the Abrams battle tank.... Take a look at the British challenger tank. VERY similar design, and both are made by none other than United Defense which is now BAE systems. Read the following links for information regarding the company, the Abrams, and the Challenger (vickers design) This does of course mean to do your own research for validity.:

In the 60's all of NATO tried to come up with a tank that was universal. We could use the same ammo etc. Well we got into disagreements about 120 vs 105 and other things and everyone decided to do their own thing. That is why the LEo, Challenger and alot of others look the same.
There was a book called "Death of a Tank" forget the author that was real good and did the history of all this.
Will have to find it again...hmmmmm

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View PostMGElwood, on Sep 11 2011 - 03:20, said:

As a retired M1A1/A2 Master Gunner and a tanker for 20 years...I have a few different reaosns to some of these questions.


Not all of them, just some as you all answered them here and there.


  
   7) The reason the Abrams tank has problems with the NBC filters is because the idiotic TC's would remove the flashlight bulb lights from the warning indicators on the TC panel. The filters would over fill with crap, overheat, and explode. Did I mention the filters are directly behind and to the left of the driver and the diesel turbine computer for the Abrams is directly under those 2 barrel filters?

ALSO...you have to USE/EXERCISE equipment otherwise they go bad.  PMCS, NOT just the bulbs being removed was a reason. Tank Crews and idiotic TC's being lazy and not doing proper PMCS.
Never had a problem with them.



   8) Which brings us to the annoying ass Halon suppressors. One of which is directly behind the Abrams driver on the right at head level.
The idiotic engineers who made the halon electrical system so stupidly cheap made them so cheap that static discharge would set them off. Halon is a deadly gas that destroys oxygen... Ever Breath Halon and live to tell about it? Halon systems going off, means you go out of tank expeditiously.

Halon is NOT a deadly gas. I have been in and around a HALON discharge and it does take the air out of you, and what kills you is lack of oxygen if you don't follow procedure.

  

   10) As for the Abrams battle tank.... Take a look at the British challenger tank. VERY similar design, and both are made by none other than United Defense which is now BAE systems. Read the following links for information regarding the company, the Abrams, and the Challenger (vickers design) This does of course mean to do your own research for validity.:

In the 60's all of NATO tried to come up with a tank that was universal. We could use the same ammo etc. Well we got into disagreements about 120 vs 105 and other things and everyone decided to do their own thing. That is why the LEo, Challenger and alot of others look the same.
There was a book called "Death of a Tank" forget the author that was real good and did the history of all this.
Will have to find it again...hmmmmm

Thank you on both posts MGElwood. Knowledge is the key, and not all of us has every answer. The deadliness of the Halon gas is the killing of oxygen it does, which is what I was referring to. I was the unit fire suppression specialist in charge of replacing Halon systems and had to have a rather annoying course on Halon. That is the only reason I know anything about it. And yes, PMCS is something all tank crews need to exercise better skill in. Had a driver in Germany give a deadline report on his tank out of laziness. Ticked me off to no end and I chewed the drivers ass. The deadline report said "tank wont start". The jackass was too lazy to flip the engine switch on the right panel. Yes, I did get chewed out as well by my SSGT. But I didn't care. Didn't help that they were laughing at me as I got chewed out -.- (I wonder if (then) SSGT Southworth even remembers that.....What I wouldnt give to have my ass chewed out by BMS Raby again... would be better than the life I live now that's for damn sure. see you all around. Hooahh!!

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Man you may not be a dev but, The heck! after that introduciton I'll follow you'r topics forever XD I just love tanks too. I can't wait to hear what you have to say =p

By the way, can we call you just by Chief?

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View Postledhed14, on Sep 09 2011 - 18:06, said:

Mmmm Tanks ..


I got to drive once --after I buried the hull in a berm --our commander decided burning shit in cans was a job I was better suited at ..

I am old before Abrams when USAR have air mobile tankers ..not gas bags either.
M40 was main battle tank .
  we use light tights dropped from pallet on a chute. Armour aluminum ... 105 smooth bore Tube

Wonder if anyone knows the tank ?


:)

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anyway I doubt we see it in game .

But Chaffee is a close enough .

It is happy day here to see tanker who was tanker on real surface .

Welcome young man to the jungle.


Words to LIVE by ..


"I personally believe in "fight smart, not hard". If I can use my highly trained wireless telephone skills to call in an airstrike so that the pilot does the hard work while I sit back and brew coffee, I'm not going to stand upon principle and try to do it myself.



Hello iedhed, ummm M40? M41 Walker Bullgog? the M41 was the replacement for the M24 Chaffee, and the air-droppable Aluminum tank you speak of seems to be the M551 Sheridan, though i've never heard of if equipped with a 105, only the 152mm M81/M81E1 Gun/Missile launcher, no disrepect intended, i find it harder every year to remember details from my 9 years...

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View PostLagometer, on Sep 10 2011 - 00:01, said:

As a Cobra gunship pilot in Vietnam, I spent a period of time dueling with Russian T-55's (unsuccessfully) in 1972. They were eventually dealt with by old "B-Model" Hueys fitted with the first operational TOW missiles.

The good part was, they saw fit to place an air-conditioner in the cockpit of the Cobra, since we didn't have any windows we could slide open and closed.  Due to the humidity in Vietnam, the air-conditioner would spew ice crystals from the vents, causing it to "snow" in the cockpit. If you collected enough ice, you could toss a small snowball over your shoulder at the rear seat driver.

LOL, snowball fights!

I was fascinated with the Cobra's and vietnam, very interesting.

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:Smile_honoring:http://  finally someone knows what they are talking about look forward to reading your posts.

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View Postledhed14, on Sep 10 2011 - 04:58, said:

I seem to recall HE,  Heat,  Cannister,  If a team member not soft skin is being swarmed wouldn't coaxial mg be first choice?
Second being cannister?
The He would vaporize the threat but the concussion would maybe take the crew out in the hull or turret,  also the rear even with HE is not a good spots even remotely to be exploading things.
Is cannister still used?
I seem to remember a huge ball filled shell for close in def or support without concussion that would be indescriminate.
Sorry my memory and hair seem to be in a race to see who can be lost fastest.

hello again iedhed, the 152mm gun used the M657 HE shell, and the M625 canister round, firing thousands of Flechette's(I don't recall HEAT, but that doesn't mean much, it's been quiet awhile since i read about the M551 ;) ), I "seem to remember a huge ball filled shell for close in def or support" This i too recall, the Beehive round (which fire about 8,000 Flechette's, and may be the M625 round, correction, see*), or a shotgun type round, i'm sure i read about it in "books" on Vietnam (they were used in many artillery pieces)

* M81/M81E1 152mm Gun/missile launcher system.
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M409, M409A1: HEAT-T-MP
XM410       : WP
M411(family): Training
A1,2,3
XM578       : APFSDS
M596        : Training
XM617       : Apers - (Canister,Flechette), Beehive
M625, M625A1: Apers - (Canister,Flechette)
M657        : HE-T

That's all i could remember/find...

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Nice to see ppl who are in the know i am a former 19k held the all positions on M1/M1A1/M1A1 Heavy/and M1A2 SEPS btw in my opinion for desert operation nothing matches the M1A1 Heavy had almost no problems except with the air filters. I was in Operation Desert Storm and Operation Provide Comfort i have seen a number of thing while in the tank and i will provide answers when i can as i remember them do not quote me as they could be wrong or just as seen from a "DAT"'S (Dumb Ass Tanker as some ground pounders call us) point of view oh and by the way:
2) What is used in paint on the Abrams tank to help reduce visibility? CARC contains aliphatic polyurethane or epoxy polyamide enamel depending on where on/in the vehicle the item to be painted is. However, the paint is designed for chemical resistance and ease of cleaning. To reduce visibility, dark colour pigments and to reduce people falling off the tank, a rough, anti-slip coating is sprayed onto the horizontal/near-horizontal surfaces just as a by note it has also been proven to cause cancer if exposed to the skin wet or inhaled after the armor has been breached

this is one of my favorite tanker sayings:

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                                                                     That dusty, crusty, grease-covered, dirty, sweaty, bright-eyed, fuzzie-faced,
                                                                          haircut-needing, beer-drinking, underrated, over-worked, underpaid,
                                                                     oversexed, little shit, who can take a tank and do more battlefield damage in
                                                                                 ten minutes than a Grunt squad can do all day.


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you know here in texas they have a real working(but scuffled looking) chieftain for sale for 25000 dollars a very cheap price and yes it is 25,000 dollars 250 hundred dollars but the problem is it i very hard to move and moving it would cost 5 dollars per mile and it is about 100 miles from any port here in houston and if you wanted to ship it the gun would have to be demilled(it has working gun for 25thousand dollars :Smile-izmena: ) if i had 25k right now i would buy it but i dont all it does is sit on display but hey chieftain i thought you would like to know!!!!! since it is your fav tank  :Smile-playing:

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Howdy Folks

Welcome to "The Chieftan" I Just received my Retirement Package from the Army as I approch age 60. i SERVED 27 Years 7 Months 14 Days Most in the Reserve side. EOD Trained Ordnance Engineer CAV and Infantry Experience. Worked with M113 Family as a Cav Instructor for 11 Years. 19D4H ended as 11B4X. Gamer tag in Game Nihtwaco.

Tanks Save Infantry Lives at Relativly low Loss rates for the Armor Force. I Knew one WWII Sherman Commander who was Blown out of 3 Shermans with 1 crewman killed each time.

WOT is a Game First Simulation Second so Game Balamce is going to bend reality a bit. The Clock runs fast a ten Hour battle takes only 15 Minutes at Most. Most of the ammo Choices are Simple whereas in Real Life Ammo Load outs Varied with what the Higher Levels of Command could get their hands on or Thought was Proper to use and Crews Scavange dumps for what they Prefered from Direct Combat Experience. At National Levels Quality Varied a Lot and Types of Construction Varied both over time as Combat results could be Evaluated but also as key Materials had to be Pulled from use in Ammo as it was Needed Elsewhere.

In Game we are Given Tanks which Represent How a combat prepared version of a Particular Vehicle might have been setup. In Real Life some were Only a Single test Article others were Mass Produced in Fifty or more Variations which the Tech Research Trees in Game Do a Fair job of Representing.

My Recommendation Play Enjoy Try As Many Combinations as the Game Allows of every Tank you wish to try and Remember it is Only a Game.

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lol i couldnt resist a reply. my name is spelled exactly like yours the_cheiftain.my name is also nicholas.russian name if im not mistaken? but it seems weird to me cause im mainly irish. any who i have a few questions about the panthers 1s and 2s also on the tiger 1 and the m18 hellcat. first, the panthers all of them had 4 inchs of frontal armor in ww2 correct? and if so why arent they 4inchs of armor in the game? second, why is the tiger 1 obviously nerfed from ww2? the tiger 1 is 63 tons not 58 tons so there is some armor lost im sure. the tiger needs that extra wheight and armor, until it does it cant be a tiger. third, why is the m18 not in world of tanks yet? and did the m18 come with a 90mm gun or bigger in ww2? and is the top speed of the m18 gonna be the same in game?

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I'm glad someone will be able to answer our tank questions which will be helpful. I'm just asking but will there be a discount anytime soon on gold because I'm sure many gamers like me would appreciate that. Good luck answering many tankerific questions!

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Well Chieftain, after reading your well written and amusing introduction, you have me hooked to read your coming articles

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View Post360juggalo, on Sep 11 2011 - 23:56, said:

lol i couldnt resist a reply. my name is spelled exactly like yours the_cheiftain.my name is also nicholas.russian name if im not mistaken? but it seems weird to me cause im mainly irish. any who i have a few questions about the panthers 1s and 2s also on the tiger 1 and the m18 hellcat. first, the panthers all of them had 4 inchs of frontal armor in ww2 correct? and if so why arent they 4inchs of armor in the game? second, why is the tiger 1 obviously nerfed from ww2? the tiger 1 is 63 tons not 58 tons so there is some armor lost im sure. the tiger needs that extra wheight and armor, until it does it cant be a tiger. third, why is the m18 not in world of tanks yet? and did the m18 come with a 90mm gun or bigger in ww2? and is the top speed of the m18 gonna be the same in game?

Hello,360juggalo, hope you don't mine me having a go at answering your questions.

Q1. "the panthers all of them had [b]4 inchs of frontal armor in ww2 correct?"
A1. Panther1, everything i've seen/read on the Panther1 says the the Max armour of the Panther (Mantlet) was 120mm

Sources(a couple of them):

http://www.achtungpa...171.htm#panther (close to the bottom of page)
http://en.wikipedia....ki/Panther_tank (this Wiki is actually quiet good, though there are several assumptions...)

This maybe be the original source of the 100mm Mantlet armour inaccuracy?

http://www.lonesentr...ther/index.html

Q2. "and if so why arent they 4inchs of armor in the game?"
A2. The last time i check, the Panther1 did have 120mm Mantlet Armour, so i guess you mean it should have 4"(101.6/102mm)

Source: Gives 100mm Mantlet Armour(and some nice Pix)-

http://dietmagic.tri...om/panther.html

All i'll say on the discrepancy is there were 3 basic models of the Panther, D,A and G(an F model prototype, some say was finished...), and armour thicknesses were different(you'd think somebody would have done a measurement? ), the Mantlet does change in thickness, center i.e: where the gun protrudes is thickest, at top and bottom, thinnest.

Q3. "why is the tiger 1 obviously nerfed from ww2?"
A3. I agreed the the Tiger is nerfed, most will not,(for many reasons, i've been doing a fair bit of research on this very topic, due to my love of the Tiger, Main reason for playing WoT, and finding the Tiger a joke in-game etc), the only real reason for this i can think of, is that the Tiger would almost completely dominate Tier<7, But given the usable range in WoT of <500m the Tiger wouldn't be as good as in WW2, and the 88mm KwK42 L/56, isn't even close to RL(don't remember how many times it's taken me 3-4 shots to kill M4's or T-34's from less then 10m shooting them in the butt, don't get me started on LT's, 2 shots to kill a A-20 at less then 50m, yeah ok...), If the Tiger was as good as in WW2, would anybody play the M4 or T-34?(unhappy Americans and Russians...can't have that).

Q4. "the tiger 1 is 63 tons not 58 tons"
A4. The Tiger, from almost every source i've ever come across, states that the Tiger weighed 57-58 Tons, Tiger2 69-70 Tons

Q5. "third, why is the m18 not in world of tanks yet? and did the m18 come with a 90mm gun or bigger in ww2? and is the top speed of the m18 gonna be the same in game?"
A5. a).Don't know, probably soon, B). I only know of the 90mm on the M18, c). Again i have no idea, 96KPM would be crazy lol, d). Check the M18's armour, a .50cal could pen it's armour....

For your enjoyment?

Panther running its engine(doesn't sound like the Shyte in-game)

http://www.youtube.c...V43U9nY

Either does the Tiger's

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=wFNgyqVzeQc

JagdPanther firing its 75mm Gun

Note: It has been kindly mentioned that i erred, the Jagdpanther used an 88mm Gun(KwK43/3 L/71), silly mistake...

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=Ov9UdRHoaAc




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