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TsarCidron #21 Posted Jul 05 2018 - 02:50

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list of bad tanks and no mention of Churchill GC nor ARL V39 ... list is invalid, as a result

JakeTheMystic #22 Posted Jul 05 2018 - 02:55

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View PostTsarCidron, on Jul 04 2018 - 17:50, said:

list of bad tanks and no mention of Churchill GC nor ARL V39 ... list is invalid, as a result

 

Read the title of the thread, then re-read your post... Slowly. 

TsarCidron #23 Posted Jul 05 2018 - 02:59

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View PostJakeTheMystic, on Jul 04 2018 - 17:55, said:

 

Read the title of the thread, then re-read your post... Slowly. 

 

oh, i saw it... but those are so horrid that they belong on any list!     (ok, i admit, i read fast as i ate.... but still. At least the Church GC is 'based' on a heavy) 

Platedmeat #24 Posted Jul 05 2018 - 04:45

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If you think the super conq is bad maybe you should stop playing so many games at seal clubbing tiers and actually play high tier games...…..there is a HUGE difference in the playstyles.

Firemoth #25 Posted Jul 05 2018 - 07:46

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if the super conq is the worst tier 10 heavy, does that make the IS4 nonexistent?

earthman34 #26 Posted Jul 06 2018 - 00:44

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View PostPlatedmeat, on Jul 04 2018 - 21:45, said:

If you think the super conq is bad maybe you should stop playing so many games at seal clubbing tiers and actually play high tier games...…..there is a HUGE difference in the playstyles.

 

It's seals all the way down, that's the problem.

TishLover #27 Posted Jul 06 2018 - 02:49

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View PostJakeTheMystic, on Jul 04 2018 - 21:51, said:

The only tank on your list I could remotely agree with is the O-I Exp. Since the nerf, its been a terrible tank. 

 

The British heavies really aren't that bad, its just a different play style that most people aren't used to. The Super Conq is still one of the most picked heavy tanks for Clan wars, so that one is really wrong. 

 

Tier 6: ARL 44 Its big, its slow, and it doesn't have armor to make up for it. Lowest DPM for heavies of its tier, it doesnt really have many redeeming qualities. Some people can find a reason to love it, but most simply hate it. 

Tier 7: IS-2 (Chinese) Take a Russian tank and make it bad, that essentially what this thing is. The premium version of this tank is far more superior and this tank was a tough grind. 

Tier 8: T-32 One of the lowest DPM of its tier for heavies paired with terrible pen, this tank is terrible. Basically the whole line after tier 7 is useless and not worth the grind. 

Tier 9: M103 Easy to pen turret, very little armor, the M103 really isn't considered a threat to any tank above tier 7. At least its a step above the T-32, but its still a terrible tank in comparison to others of its tier. 

Tier 10: E100 This tank is really outdated. In its prime, it was a fun tank to play. Nowadays, it is easily penned and not really considered a major threat to anything with more than 90mm of armor. 

 

Of course these are just my opinion as well.

 

What? IS-2????? worst heavy?????

Did it receive some sort of nerf?  When I was playing it was pretty OP



DrKrieg #28 Posted Jul 06 2018 - 08:14

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i had a list but the forum editor just blew it apart... thanks WG

 

so ill just add the amx 65 t, that is the stuff of nightmares.. Lackluster mobility paired with tumor turret and the worst alpha of its tier... yeah..

 

IS-M as stock, grinding the good gun is one of the most painful experiences in the game

 

p43, its like the chi-nu but even more mediocre, all other tier 5 mediums got something for it, good guns, derps, and mobility, this one has none of that.

 

and the LKV 103, the shell travel time and the gun handling are so bad that it completely negates the role of a sniper tank, and cant work as assault either with only 15mm of armor and terrible HP to boot


Edited by DrKrieg, Jul 06 2018 - 08:20.


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IS-M is a big pile of sh!t. Didn't have too much expectations but this crap can't fit on many maps. 

Cruxdei #30 Posted Jul 06 2018 - 12:26

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i can say about the best tier8 tank i ever played.

emil 1 is king,that turret armor is so sexy.



Deputy276 #31 Posted Jul 06 2018 - 15:05

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View PostJakeTheMystic, on Jul 04 2018 - 19:55, said:

 

Read the title of the thread, then re-read your post... Slowly. 

 

Yeah...some folks don't get that each person has his own "bad list" of tanks.

 

Count me among the few who actually likes the AMX 65t. Nope, it's not a brawler. If you take it in to brawl, you are doing it wrong. But that middle gun makes a dandy sniper. It has huge pen. Even more than an IS-3. And the small turret hides easier than the large one. If you can take the crap from the urchins who constantly complain that you are "camping", it makes a great sniper. 

 

I agree about the Emil 1. The stock gun has horrendous pen at 179. That's almost as bad as the stock gun on the T32. It's definitely a "caveat tank", in that any time someone praises it, they'll add a caveat like "as long as it stays hull down". The Leo before it was a blast to play with it's 105MM gun. But the Emil was a turn-off for me. 



Trauglodyte #32 Posted Jul 06 2018 - 16:42

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I think that the overall problem with this list is that people assume that all Heavies are equal and are, point of fact, Heavy tanks.  Germany doesn't really get heavy tanks until tier 9, with the exception of the VK 100.01 P.  The British don't get a real heavy tank until tier 8.  It is the same with the French.  The US gets theirs at tier 7 and the Russian/Chinese/Japanese get theirs at tier 5.

 

Just because it is listed as a heavy, that doesn't mean that it is actually IS a heavy.  German tanks are field tanks that are the love children of Medium tanks and TDs.  The Churchills/BP are the same exact thing.  French heavies are about long ranged support burst.  Play to the strength of the tank and stop trying to shoehorn it into something that it isn't.  I WISH that I had figured that out a long time ago because it would have saved me a lot of frustration with pushing into the teeth of the enemy team with awful flat German armor.

 

EDIT:  The 45.02A is an AMAZING tank - heathens!!!!


Edited by Trauglodyte, Jul 06 2018 - 16:43.


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No DW2 or Type 95?

nrnstraswa #34 Posted Jul 06 2018 - 19:22

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Churchill 7 easily tops the list for me as worst tier 6 heavy. I actually enjoyed the Churchill 1 oddly enough. 

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golruul #35 Posted Jul 06 2018 - 21:15

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My list (sticking with only tech tree tanks):

 

Tier 5: Churchill I

Slow, armor isn't great, alpha isn't good, 4 degrees gun depression. 

O-I Exp at least has a derp and good gun depression while the BDR has better alpha and good gun depression.

 

Tier 6: Churchill III

Same problems as the previous Churchill tank, but now you fight tiers 8s!  As compensation, you get 3 more pen (to 148) and 5 more alpha (to 140)!  Fun!

 

Tier 7: Black Prince

Guess what?  Same problems with previous (and previous) Churchill tank, except you get to fight tier 9s!  And as compensation, you get same alpha (150!!!) and 23 more pen (to 171).  Fun fun!  As a consolation prize, your turret face is now good against low tiers on the off-chance you play as top tier in a 3-5-7 match.

 

Tier 8: KV-4

Slow and a bunch of flat armor make this powercreeped a long time ago.

AMX at least has good gun depression, is faster, and has more alpha.

 

Tier 9: Mauschen

I haven't actually played it, but whenever I go against it I just premium spam my way through their front turret face, negating the only strength this tank has.

 

Tier 10: IS-4

Powercreeped.  Upper front turret roof is still autopen.  Upper glacis isn't too hard to go through either.  Take away the armor and there's little left to this tank.



w1ckymagee #36 Posted Jul 07 2018 - 16:00

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It's been a very long while since I've played many heavies down below tier 7/8 but from what I remember:

 

Tier 5: Churchill I - I completely stopped playing this line after this tank, I don't remember why but there must've been a reason.

 

Tier 6: VK36.01 (H) - Of the tier 6 heavies I remember this one I remember not enjoying.  Most likely due to my lack of skill at the time.

 

Tier 7: IS2 (Chinese) - Currently grinding this thing and it's a bear.  Both gun choices have mediocre, at best, gun characteristics and lackluster mobility.  I played the IS long ago and remember really liking it, this, while nearly identical seems to be a different matter all together.

 

Tier 8:T32 - Of the ones I've played this one was the hardest (even back when I played it), though to be fair I was grinding this tank when I started learning how to play and once I figured out how to hull down it got somewhat easier.  The gun on this thing has been meh for a long time.  Poor penetration means you usually can't sit hull down and be effective which negates the strongest part of this tank.

 

Tier 9: T-10 - Before anyone starts to rag this, I've only played 3 of the tier 9 heavies and this one was my least favorite among them.  I enjoyed the M103 and the E75 a lot, I just couldn't get the hang of the T10s heavium play style, which is strange because I play mediums a lot and prefer them to heavies in most cases.

 

Tier 10: T110E5 - NOBODY is afraid of this tank anymore.  Good ROF doesn't mean much when you've got big and easy to hit weak spots all over the front of your tank.  Good mobility doesn't seem to help it either, there are many other tier 10 heavies that move just as well with better armor and guns.

     Runner Up: E100 - The only reason I put the E5 over this guy is the E100 at least has a gun with alpha enough to make reds think twice before poking, but has an ENORMOUS lower plate that is easy to hit and the turret face is a premium round magnet.

 

To be fair, most of the tanks that have been around for a while are underwhelming when compared to the newer releases (I cite almost all of the newer Russian tanks).  Power creep has left many of the older tanks in the dust especially at the upper tiers.



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This thread does one thing well, it makes it real easy to see who loads full APCR in the conq/super conq and who doesn't. 

sasquatch86 #38 Posted Jul 07 2018 - 17:03

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View Postw1ckymagee, on Jul 07 2018 - 16:00, said:

 

Tier 6: VK36.01 (H) - Of the tier 6 heavies I remember this one I remember not enjoying.  Most likely due to my lack of skill at the time.

 

 

I haven't been playing WoT very long (I played Blitz a couple years ago), but I laugh every single time I see a VK36.01 in my KV-1. So much for being a higher tier than me :teethhappy: I even went toe-to-toe with a Tiger 1 and dominated it yesterday, though, it probably didn't have a fully upgraded gun... Still, it seems odd that a tier V tank can so easily penetrate a Tier 7 heavy.



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View PostAbsolutely_Degenerate, on Jul 07 2018 - 09:42, said:

This thread does one thing well, it makes it real easy to see who loads full APCR in the conq/super conq and who doesn't. 

 

Yup.

I'll tell you why I hate the Super Conqueror. 

1. Auto penned by whatever shoots at it, even tier 8's.

2. Loses a crew member on most hits, sometimes two.

3. Loses either the gun or ammo rack on most hits.

4. Is tracked on literally any hit to the lower half of the tank, any artillery hit, and being touched by any other tank.

5. Doesn't have enough DPM to scare anything. Most shots roll ~380, which isn't going to make any tier 10 turn and run.

These are almost exactly the same reasons I hate the T110 E5...Wargaming's intense contempt for British and American vehicles that slaughtered Russian vehicles on every battlefield of the world.



Necrophore #40 Posted Jul 08 2018 - 23:33

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View Postearthman34, on Jul 05 2018 - 15:44, said:

It's seals all the way down, that's the problem.

 

I got yelled at for sealclubbing in an M103. If it's going to be seals all the way up and down, you may as well have some fun with it.




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