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HENRYOFORANGE #21 Posted Jul 08 2018 - 20:40

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I would love to see my is-6 be actually able to grind credits again since in its current form I have to spam gold all the time. what I don't get about people is that why people don't want their tier 8 pref mm tanks buffed and have the pref mm removed, since pref mm is now pointless because a tier 8 pref mm tank is just a slightly better tier 7 at tier 8 with a tier 7 gun (or for the kv-5s case, a tier 6 gun). which means if your in a tier 8 pref mm tank fighting a tier 9 its like fighting a tier 10 in a tier 8

Cruxdei #22 Posted Jul 08 2018 - 21:59

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it might make cdc and lowe relevant again if they buff them too.

MCBAIN4EVER #23 Posted Jul 08 2018 - 22:02

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What about the B1/D.W.2?

Gothraul #24 Posted Jul 08 2018 - 22:06

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View PostHENRYOFORANGE, on Jul 08 2018 - 20:40, said:

I would love to see my is-6 be actually able to grind credits again since in its current form I have to spam gold all the time. what I don't get about people is that why people don't want their tier 8 pref mm tanks buffed and have the pref mm removed, since pref mm is now pointless because a tier 8 pref mm tank is just a slightly better tier 7 at tier 8 with a tier 7 gun (or for the kv-5s case, a tier 6 gun). which means if your in a tier 8 pref mm tank fighting a tier 9 its like fighting a tier 10 in a tier 8

 

Mine are getting use again because everything else is almost permanently bottom tier and my God does the T34 piss me off. One would think 248 pen would be more than good enough but nope the Russian Number Generator low rolls so it bounces off piddly weak spots like lower plates forcing me to load apcr. Not even my T-54 griefs me that much and 80% of the battles it sees I get away with only 201 pen ap. 

shinglefoot #25 Posted Jul 08 2018 - 22:08

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     Short answer...

 

     They will do it, people will be pissed off over a perceived [edited]move,(because it is), more people will stop spending money, and people will leave.

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_Tsavo_ #26 Posted Jul 08 2018 - 22:55

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I don't think Pref will be going away, there's been massive negative feedback across all the servers regarding the idea.

 

The Super Pershing doesn't need much more than the top speed being brought up a few KM/H and the power to weight going up quite a bit.  That is, if it losses pref MM status.  Base pen to 210-220, premium remains similar to where it's at now.  The trick to the SuperPershing, even as it sits right now is to be a bully of same tier mediums, other pref heavies, and lower tier tanks.  You can make fine support against tanks that will butter you, same tier non pref heavies and tier 9 TDs and Heavies.  The armor works, unless you remain stationary.

 

IS-6/IS-6B needs a much more powerful gun if it's going to be let loose against 10s.  The mediocre pen worked well in pref land when it could see tier 5s and there wasn't a whole bunch of well armored tier 8s.

 

Stug IV?  I dunno, got it and hardly play it.  A slight HP bump, gun improvements, and maybe a slight traverse buff.

 

As to other not mentioned prefs:

 

Type 59: Gun handling buffs and a slight buff to base pen with an equal buff to premium.  Maybe a nudge up in power to weight.

 

FCM 50t: Pen buff, it's basically a decent medium already

 

KV-5: Pen buff, things to do with the radio death tumor so it's less the obvious lolweakspot it is

 

T-34-3: Get a Type 59 instead?

 

Mutant 6: General penbuffs, turret cheeks get an additional bit of armor

 

Jadgtiger 8.8: Uh... I dunno, commit soduku?  Pen buffs, traverse buffs, power to weight buffs, I guess.

 

T23E3: Pen buffs

 

T14: Pen buff, or just replace the 75mm Gun M3 with 76mm M1A1/M1A2

 

Churchill III: Gun//pen/traverse buffs, maybe slightly more turret face armor

 

Excelsior: Gun/pen/traverse buffs

 

I'm sure I'm missing some other pref tanks, the WZs or ones with lots of 1s in the name, same pen/gun buffs basically.

 

 

Most of the pref tanks are basically half a tier under what their counterparts are, pref 8s are basically really strong 7s.  They need some tweaks to be on par with regular 8s.  

 

Or, they can stay as is and WarGaming can retract their statement that pref 8 is the problem when 3/5/7 makes pref 8 a problem.

 

In regards to 3/5/7, do away with the templates.  1/2/12 12/2/1 10/1/4 3/5/7 5/5/5 all manner of tier makeup, but the other team matches tier makeup.  Boom.  No more almost half being bottom tier, just the MM prior to templates but with the matches tier counts on each side.

 

Just my two pence, your milage may vary.

 

 

 



DrWho_ #27 Posted Jul 08 2018 - 23:27

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View Posttjpanzer69, on Jul 08 2018 - 19:00, said:

My thoughts on the end of Pref MM...  So many people are so incredibly dramatic about this issue.  Personally I am in a wait and see frame of mind on this.  I don't think it's the end of the game, or the end of the world or even close.  If anyone quits the game over this, well they were probably done anyway.

 

It's not just the PrefMM as such. There are quite a few things that a lot of people find frustrating about this game. For me in no particular order ...

To many artys (should be reduced to 2 in my op)

Lopsided teams (skills ot tanks)
Too many battles being bottom tier, most of them 2 tiers down
Unbalanced tanks
RNG

Bugs like the ridge line aim or the silent hits

The list could be a lot longer. But all of those are part of the game as of right now and you have to deal with it, however the PrefMM tanks are something people bought *specifically* to get out from underneath the horrible -2 MM that is going on and screwing with that pisses people off to no end. Personally I went from a P2P account to F2P until I know what's going on because I'm not taking it. It's the one thing I flatly refuse to back down on

That's why I'm thoroughly PO'ed about the PrefMM and it will most likely have me finding something else to enjoy if they decide to go through with it, not because it will change my experience all that much in itself but that means they don't respect paying customers and when that happens I vote with my wallet. 
 



Flarvin #28 Posted Jul 08 2018 - 23:38

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Once the prem mm tanks are fixed, there will be no more issues with the mm. 

 

Everyone will be top tier most matches and win more. And there will be rainbows and unicorns. lol



WangOnTheLoose #29 Posted Jul 09 2018 - 00:57

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View PostxXTheGameAceXx, on Jul 08 2018 - 11:23, said:

 

I'm guessing you didn't read past the thread title?

 

 

That's where I'm thinking that they'll likely have to give buffs to the old Pref MM tanks, since the reason they're Pref MM to begin with would seem to be because they're astoundingly weak in one way or another.

 

Well no one really knows.  I am guessing that they are going to end up not changing the PMM tanks, could be completely off my rocker but the backlash was so severe with the crappy buffs they proposed for the KV-5 they would have to be complete morons to go ahead with their plans.  Of course it is WG so who really knows.

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 Hello 5000 players on in prime time on NA...

 

Word. Kind of sad to see NA struggle to get 15k on a x5 week. Maybe more stupid $80 and $100 bundles will do the trick? Maybe we can charge gold to equip items as well as take them off? Maybe we charge to have the community create maps for us? 



RagnarokBazil #31 Posted Jul 09 2018 - 11:10

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if they remove the pref mm.. i want a Full refund of all the tanks i bought that has Pref mm.. thats about a thousand dallors right there or more.

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I appreciate the OP's thoughtful and informative post, but I honestly don't think pref. MM is going anywhere; there are legal issues, and if the negative reaction of the playerbase is any indicator, getting rid of pref.MM could mean the end of WoT, rather than the end of pref. MM.

Edited by KnightOfEris, Jul 09 2018 - 11:44.


Enginseer_66 #33 Posted Jul 09 2018 - 12:07

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I think this pref MM change have been put on the backburner, more or less permanently.

From the beginning, it looked like an idiotic scheme to milk the players 2000g and seeing the epic backlash it obviously failed.



Avalon304 #34 Posted Jul 09 2018 - 12:15

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View PostWangOnTheLoose, on Jul 08 2018 - 16:57, said:

 

Well no one really knows.  I am guessing that they are going to end up not changing the PMM tanks, could be completely off my rocker but the backlash was so severe with the crappy buffs they proposed for the KV-5 they would have to be complete morons to go ahead with their plans.  Of course it is WG so who really knows.

 

WG would have to be complete morons to listen to this community at all... its sho fractured it doesnt know what it wants.

 

Every change proposed to the KV-5 is a good one, and it put it on par with every other tier 8 heavy tank currently in the game. Pref MM has always been a mistake and it need to go the way of the dodo for the health of this game.



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View PostRagnarokBazil, on Jul 09 2018 - 05:10, said:

if they remove the pref mm.. i want a Full refund of all the tanks i bought that has Pref mm.. thats about a thousand dallors right there or more.

Curious to see how you came up with that total.

That's 20 tanks avg 50$ each. Are there even 20 prefmm tanks costing that much ?



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View PostAvalon304, on Jul 09 2018 - 05:15, said:

 

WG would have to be complete morons to listen to this community at all... its sho fractured it doesnt know what it wants.

 

Every change proposed to the KV-5 is a good one, and it put it on par with every other tier 8 heavy tank currently in the game. Pref MM has always been a mistake and it need to go the way of the dodo for the health of this game.

Listen to the NA community? Nah, they aren't going to do that.  Listen to the RU and maybe EU community if they get vocal enough?  Well, it's rare, but there was that whole Rubicon incident...



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View Post_Tsavo_, on Jul 08 2018 - 22:55, said:

 

 

In regards to 3/5/7, do away with the templates.  1/2/12 12/2/1 10/1/4 3/5/7 5/5/5 all manner of tier makeup, but the other team matches tier makeup.  Boom.  No more almost half being bottom tier, just the MM prior to templates but with the matches tier counts on each side.

 

Just my two pence, your milage may vary.

 

 

 

 

...or just make 5/10 the preferred template and the 3/5/7 the least preferred template. This way you get more top tier tanks and a better statistical chance of more even teams and even if the top tier is a bit uneven skill wise decent players can make a diff if they're only one tier down

 

Heck even I can sometimes get lucky and make up for low skill top tier player if I'm only one tier down

 

It wouldn't even need a major rework of the coding to give it a test

 

Something like that would probably slow down the demand for SBMM as well (maybe not but I would probably stop asking for skill weighting being added to MM)



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View PostxXTheGameAceXx, on Jul 08 2018 - 12:54, said:

 

Does get pref MM. If it didn't, it would be nearly 100% unplayable. The reward tanks are considered premium, but just don't get the credits bonus. They get the crew bonuses though. Even as a reward tank, still has the Pref MM, which means they'd have to make changes to it to end the Pref MM requirement on it. Honestly although the reward tanks are unlikely to get adjusted, all of them could really use some love.

it's ironic because when they came out with the personal missions, the Stug IV didn't have premium MM, and then they gave it premium MM because it sucked so bad at tier 7.



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View PostUS_3rd_Army, on Sep 19 2018 - 07:00, said:

it's ironic because when they came out with the personal missions, the Stug IV didn't have premium MM, and then they gave it premium MM because it sucked so bad at tier 7.

I call the Stug IV the bunkhouse addition.



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View Postshinglefoot, on Jul 08 2018 - 22:08, said:

     Short answer...

 

     They will do it, people will be pissed off over a perceived [edited]move,(because it is), more people will stop spending money, and people will leave.

Hello 5000 players on in prime time on NA...

 

Now NA is even less and they trying to put bots in. WG is leading this game into the ground




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