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Biosthetic #1 Posted Jul 08 2018 - 17:46

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does high explosive ammo care about how angled the armor is? Let's say you had a Udes with 20mm of armor but with the angle, it comes out to an effective value of 80mm, would a HE shell with, let's say 50mm of pen still go through.

Deputy276 #2 Posted Jul 08 2018 - 17:51

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I don't think so. Pretty sure HE detonates outside the tank and doesn't penetrate at all. The splash/concussion/shrapnel damage is where the damage comes from. That's why larger calibers do more damage than smaller calibers when using HE. I carry a goodly amount of HE in tanks equipped with the Russian 122 MM gun. Tanks like the IS and IS-6. HE from those guns does considerable crew and module damage and that all helps to win. Trying to get any pen from their AP ammo is a waste of time unless you are firing at tanks at tier 6-7. Also HE from arty lands on TOP of a vehicle and that is where it's armor is the weakest or is non-existent.

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SporkBoy #3 Posted Jul 08 2018 - 18:00

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Yes, HE can bounce. It sucks when that happens since a near miss and splash dmg would be better than a hit that bounces.

Zanarkand_C #4 Posted Jul 08 2018 - 18:02

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It doesn't, when playing a high caliber gun with HE like most Japanese Heavies you can still damage ~400 to some tanks by just hitting their tracks/side skirts when they try side scraping against you. Only the basic armor thickness will decide how much damage you do. 

Deputy276 #5 Posted Jul 08 2018 - 18:06

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View PostZanarkand_C, on Jul 08 2018 - 11:02, said:

It doesn't, when playing a high caliber gun with HE like most Japanese Heavies you can still damage ~400 to some tanks by just hitting their tracks/side skirts when they try side scraping against you. Only the basic armor thickness will decide how much damage you do. 

 

I love using HE in my VK100.01P when I am facing tier 10 tanks. If you ever want to see a tier 10 go bananas with frustration, keep dinging him with HE over and over. Hilarious to see them back into cover after they have had a ton of module/crew damage. :teethhappy:

Rocker_Box #6 Posted Jul 08 2018 - 18:14

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 One of the things I love about a M4 with the 105mm is unless I forget that I  loaded heat, and send one into your tracks your going to eat some damage.  Well maybe I hit your gun... for zero, but then again you still have to beat my reload.

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Drone157 #7 Posted Jul 08 2018 - 18:19

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HE will attempt to penetrate, which cares about angles. Then it will detonate, if it penned it will deal full damage, if not it will splash the enemy tank and not care about angles.

dominator_98 #8 Posted Jul 08 2018 - 19:02

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HE is probably the most complex mechanic of any ammo, but short answer is yes it cares about angles.

 

If you take a round with 50 pen and 500 alpha, it will pen a 49mm (effective) plate for 500, but it will hit a 51mm plate for 250, and damage is reduced further the more armor you have. Then there’s splash damage from near misses . . .

 

To be honest I still don’t fully understand HE mechanics after almost 20k games and hundreds of hours on YouTube and the forums.



ProfessionalFinn #9 Posted Jul 08 2018 - 20:08

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View Postdominator_98, on Jul 08 2018 - 19:02, said:

HE is probably the most complex mechanic of any ammo, but short answer is yes it cares about angles.

 

If you take a round with 50 pen and 500 alpha, it will pen a 49mm (effective) plate for 500, but it will hit a 51mm plate for 250, and damage is reduced further the more armor you have. Then there’s splash damage from near misses . . .

 

To be honest I still don’t fully understand HE mechanics after almost 20k games and hundreds of hours on YouTube and the forums.

 

Angles matter.  Know first hand by having my fired KV-2 HE derp rounds deflect unexploded versus angled armor.  Its rare but it happens.

MiddleAgedNoob #10 Posted Jul 09 2018 - 02:04

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View PostProfessionalFinn, on Jul 08 2018 - 14:08, said:

 

Angles matter.  Know first hand by having my fired KV-2 HE derp rounds deflect unexploded versus angled armor.  Its rare but it happens.

 

I was curious about this and did some googling.  The wiki suggests that HE will always detonate, inside the tank if the shell penetrates, or outside at the point of impact if it does not.  (http://wiki.wargamin...ation_Mechanics and http://wiki.wargamin...anics#HE_Shells), but a three year old thread on the EU forums suggests that if the round fails to do any damage, the client will report it as a bounce.  (http://forum.worldof...2#entry11150132)  That sounds about right to me.

 

GLHF

 



MCBAIN4EVER #11 Posted Jul 09 2018 - 02:11

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HE doesn't care the angled armor, just raw tickness. You can 100 0 a MT that is sidescraping with the crapbarn.

BobLeeSwaggers #12 Posted Feb 01 2019 - 06:06

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I Just hit the rear hull of an amx 12t with my t21 using HE, he has 15mm of rear armor, dumbfounded, I have 38mm of HE penetration, the shell hit that top rear hull that is angled about 70 degrees and doing merely 68hp of damage as if it didn't penetrate(HEM42A1 138-232hp).   I watched the replay in 1/16th speed to confirm... despite what the game mechanics seem to suggest, HE penetration is dependent on angle of impact. "HE shells are unique among ammo types, and have the most complicated penetration and damage mechanics." -from wot wiki.  

 



Nonamanadus #13 Posted Feb 01 2019 - 06:22

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There is no actual bounce or ricochet, they just pop and if the pen value is greater than the armor for the explosion area you will get damaged (I think it is the ratio of vunerable armor verses burt diameter for damage inflicted).




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