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HENRYOFORANGE #41 Posted Jul 09 2018 - 17:07

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tiger 2 needs a buff badly, I fight tiger 2s a lot and they are so easy to beat. if they try to angle you can pen the side, if they hull down you can hit the turret, if they show their front you can pen even the upper plate sometimes and always the lower plate. its gun is all its got

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View PostTanya_von_Degurechaf, on Jul 09 2018 - 16:07, said:

With all these overpowered tanks that WG is adding recently, i woudnt be surprised if the "WT ausf E100" back to our arms. i really miss that tank, hate the grille.

 

oh they will, but it will be Russian

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View PostHENRYOFORANGE, on Jul 10 2018 - 01:08, said:

 

oh they will, but it will be Russian

 

Ok, jokes a part, the WT E100 would really be a good german weapon against the useless type 4 and 5 heavies, i really do like Japanese line but i hate with all my heart that HE spammer tank.

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View PostTanya_von_Degurechaf, on Jul 09 2018 - 07:57, said:

 

I do understand your point but still, buffing low tiers is not very that important. i cant imagine what can happen if WG decide to buff low tiers. ( a few months ago i saw a guy with 7k battles on a Pz 1C...can you imagine this?)...

 

Ok then. I'll suggest a different tank. The ELC EVEN 90. It needs more mobility. That's all I want.

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View Postterminator2114, on Jul 09 2018 - 10:02, said:

 

The amx 65t is the exact same way except t8.

You're not kidding, except it is even worse, for its tier, than the 45.  



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for most of the population. What ever tank they are playing at the time.

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FCM 50t

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View PostTanya_von_Degurechaf, on Jul 09 2018 - 10:57, said:

 

I do understand your point but still, buffing low tiers is not very that important. i cant imagine what can happen if WG decide to buff low tiers. ( a few months ago i saw a guy with 7k battles on a Pz 1C...can you imagine this?)...

 

They shouldn't over buff individual lower tier tanks, but there definitely needs to be some balancing.  Power creep has made some lower tier tanks a real frustrating grind, which means you can lose newer players.   Regardless of stat padding, even experienced players can have fun in the mid tiers since the flavor and variety of tanks is different.  Would make it even better if it was balanced.

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Hm, how I start? Let's see: (All HTs)
Tier 6:
-M6: Buff reverse speed to 12 km/h.
-Churchill VII: Buff speed to 25 km/h.

Tier 7:
-Black prince: Buff speed to 25 km/h.
Increase DPM 15%.
-Tiger P: DPM and gun soft stats same as Tiger H.
-KV-3: 100mm gun same stats as IS 100mm.

Tier 8:
-Tiger II: Buff turret roof to 44mm.
Increase viewrange to 400m.
-65t: Buff the armor (no idea how).

Tier 9:
-M103: BUFF TURRET ROOF ARMOR.

Tier 10:
-IS-4: Increase DPM.
DECREASE DISPERSION (moving and turning)


 

terminator2114 #50 Posted Jul 09 2018 - 19:35

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View PostTanya_von_Degurechaf, on Jul 09 2018 - 11:07, said:

With all these overpowered tanks that WG is adding recently, i woudnt be surprised if the "WT ausf E100" back to our arms. i really miss that tank, hate the grille.

Instead of the fake wte100, they could add the t58 heavy(6 round autoloading t30) or the 4005 stage 1(3 round autoloading deathstar).



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View Postenya1ius, on Jul 09 2018 - 09:05, said:

 

bro, serious question, what do you agree with? all you ever seem to do is jump on threads and muddy the water. if you think that tanks shouldnt be buffed then do you agree that tanks that are overperforming should be nerfed? or just have entirely pointless lines? its easy to disagree, but you never offer a rebuttal. What is the solution for these lines that statistically underperform? or is it just disagree with everything?

 

 

Never offer a rebuttal?? I gave my opinion and explained why. Did you need me to write a dissertation explaining it in more detail? Because I felt like it was a simple enough of an idea that a short paragraph would suffice.

 

It's not rocket science, there will ALWAYS bee tanks that under-preform. The only way to balance this many tanks would be to clone the stats by type and tier and just use different skins for the different tanks. I pretty sure no one wants this.



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View Postspud_tuber, on Jul 09 2018 - 09:54, said:

Several tanks underperform significantly, others overperform significantly.  Knocking these outliers back into line is usually considered healthy for a game.  For instance, all T10 mediums are seeing slight decreases in their ability to win thanks to the 430U, more and more people playing it, and the 3/5/7 + class matching MM.

 

Further, once you've tamed the outliers, slight nerfs and buffs to tanks only slightly OP or UP are arguably good for the game, as they help keep the game fresh and encourage breadth of tank stable as well as depth.

 

Nerfing tanks that are put into the game OP is one thing. That's a mistake that needs correcting. But the only reason tanks "under-preform" is because WG doesn't do this. Even when a tank is massively broken it takes them months just to give a half-as*ed "fix". Everything just gets perpetually buffed as stronger and stronger tanks get added to the game. I'm all for nerfing new tanks once they've been shown to be "outliers" but perpetually buffing tanks is a path that has no end. Buff every tank mentioned in this thread and next week there is a whole new list of tanks that are now under-preforming.

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View Postthe_dude_76, on Jul 09 2018 - 14:35, said:

 

Nerfing tanks that are put into the game OP is one thing. That's a mistake that needs correcting. But the only reason tanks "under-preform" is because WG doesn't do this. Even when a tank is massively broken it takes them months just to give a half-as*ed "fix". Everything just gets perpetually buffed as stronger and stronger tanks get added to the game. I'm all for nerfing new tanks once they've been shown to be "outliers" but perpetually buffing tanks is a path that has no end. Buff every tank mentioned in this thread and next week there is a whole new list of tanks that are now under-preforming.

And buffing tanks that are put in the game UP?  Is that acceptable as well?



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Hellcat. This tank ruled tier 6 for a while and it needed a nerf.  They went too far on the Nerf and that combined with power creep has this tank very lacking.

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Wz120 and the 121.  Both are pretty much irrelevant with the introduction of the obj 430 and 430u.

mr_rotary #56 Posted Jul 10 2018 - 00:18

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Type 4 heavy frontal armour. Attracts waaaaay too much gold spam which negates it's armour. 

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View PostThe_Illusive_Man, on Jul 09 2018 - 07:58, said:

T110E5, Reverse the hull nerf, and reduce the size of the tumor.

Challenger, Full turret traverse. And a better turret.

Conway, Full turret traverse.

 

 

There are ALOT of tanks that need buffs.

 

RE: the T110E5: No. Does not need changes.

 

RE: The Conway: Use the 120mm gun. Gets full turret traverse, and has the benefit of being the strictly better gun to use.



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View Postmr_rotary, on Jul 09 2018 - 23:18, said:

Type 4 heavy frontal armour. Attracts waaaaay too much gold spam which negates it's armour. 

 

I would agree to that if they nerf the cupola 

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m4 improv...originally planned as pref MM....then released UNCHANGED as normal MM tank.at least make it on par with other tier 5s (basically the gun)...yes i know its low tier but its a trainer not a sealclubbing dynamo....

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View Postspud_tuber, on Jul 09 2018 - 14:58, said:

And buffing tanks that are put in the game UP?  Is that acceptable as well?

 

I suppose but when was the last time that happened??




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