NeatoMan, on Jul 10 2018 - 06:59, said:
correction: it only makes every game fair from an overall team perspective, but from an individual player's perspective it doesn't treat everyone the same.
Skill balanced MM makes you play against your own average. It's essentially like a handicap in bowling. If your average is low then you don't have to do as much to win. If that average is high, then you have to keep playing above that high level to beat it. Good players' and bad players' bar for success will be very different.
"Bowling handicaps are meant to level the playing field, by adjusting your score based on your average. This allows lower level bowlers in a league to be competitive against much better bowlers"
Wrong. Sbmm is fair to everyone BY DEFINITION. Every single player gets put on a team that has a chance to win against a correspondingly similarly skilled team. You can't be more fair than that. What shills, like neato, need are for the random mm to generate unbalanced matches that give them wins. They can't stand the thought of fair play, or a level playing field. Which is just sad. Just look at his stupid bowling analogy. It has nothing to do with how tanks are playerd. Creating equal teams does not make a bad player better, nor does it make a good player worse (effectively what a 'handicap' does). All sbmm does is ensure both teams have about the same number of skilled/unskilled players.
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This will not effect the win rate of skilled or unskilled players at all. The reason is pretty simple. There would still be 3 types of battles.
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13 skilled/ 2 unskilled vs. 13 skilled/ 2 unskilled: This type of battle is one where most of BOTH teams are skilled. The unskilled players won't have much of an effect, as you would expect. But the skilled players will have to use skill to beat a skilled opponent. But it's not, and can't be, EXACTLY balanced. So if the best player on one team is a 63% win rate player and the best player on the enemy team is a 62% win rate player - the 63% win rate player will still win more of these than a 62% player. And you can carry this logic down the ranks of the skill on each team. Sometimes a 56% player will face off against a 57% player, and he'll lose just that little bit more. Sometimes that same 56% player will face off against a 53% player, and he'll win just that bit more. Hell, even between two 57% players, they aren't exactly 57% players, one of them will be 57.3% and the other will be 57.7%.
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8 skilled/ 7 unskilled vs. 8 skilled/ 7 unskilled: This type of battle really starts to show why better players will still have better win rates. If we take the same top two players from above (the 63% and 62% players), their higher skill will have way more impact on this game than the above game - because they are so much more skilled than half the team. So the 63% player will win even more of these than the 62% player - thus keeping his higher win rate. Again, this trickles down the win rates as it does above. The 56% and 57% players win rates will push even farther apart.
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3 skilled/ 12 unskilled vs. 3 skilled/ 12 unskilled: This type of battle is the most important for this point - AS THE CURRENT PLAYER BASE IS TERRIBLE, and thus these are the most common types of battles. It is crystal clear that now the 1% difference between the 63% and 62% players from above IS NOW SUPER IMPORTANT, since both players have to shoulder terrible teams. The 63% player is just that bit more skilled, and thus will be able to carry more of these battles, thus maintaining his higher win rate. And as in both examples above, this will work it's way down the skill levels.
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But here's the thing: BECAUSE ALL OF THE BATTLES ABOVE ARE BETWEEN TWO EQUAL TEAMS - THE SLIGHTLY LESS SKILLED OPPONENT STILL HAS A CHANCE TO WIN. The disparity between teams is there, but it's slight.
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Or you could keep your head up your [edited]and say random mm is still great and live with battles like this:
3 skilled/ 12 unskilled vs. 8 skilled/ 7 unskilled. Sucks to be the 3 skilled on the first team as you know you'll lose. Sucks to be the 8 skilled on the second team, and it's going to be boring as hell.