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MacDaddyMatty #1 Posted Jul 11 2018 - 15:27

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I think XVM is toxic to the game (or more specifically WN8 as well as the "chance to win" BS).

 

But I also believe in constructive criticism, not just wailing and gnashing of teeth - so here is my recommendation for you guys to flame me with.

;)

Seriously though, as with all my posts, (constructive) input is encouraged.

 

My recommendation for a stat tracker:

 

- WN8 encourages stat padding / seal clubbing.

Instead of a blanket "performance rating", include the tank's tier into the equation by the tier's factor. 

i.e:

W8 of 1000 at tier 1: 1000 x 1 = 1000.

W8 of 1000 at tier 10: 1000 x 10 = 10000.

 

This will:

- change the range of rating, but

- will more accurately reflect the players activity, and

- discourage seal-clubbing / stat padding lower tiers.


 Also, nuke the "chance to win" BS.

Hey Aslan, get rid of your chance to win mod.

It is NOT accurate and causes undue turmoil.
 

Ok...

I'm ready.

:harp:
 


Edited by MacDaddyMatty, Jul 11 2018 - 16:47.


XxMOJOBALLSxX #2 Posted Jul 11 2018 - 15:31

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XVM doesn't have a win chance anymore, just FYI

MacDaddyMatty #3 Posted Jul 11 2018 - 15:35

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View PostXxMOJOBALLSxX, on Jul 11 2018 - 09:31, said:

XVM doesn't have a win chance anymore, just FYI

 

:)

Groovy.

Thanks!

+1



the_dude_76 #4 Posted Jul 11 2018 - 15:35

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Discourage play at every tier below 10 you mean right?? Sounds like just another excuse for rerolls to reroll

Rush_91 #5 Posted Jul 11 2018 - 15:39

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View PostXxMOJOBALLSxX, on Jul 11 2018 - 15:31, said:

XVM doesn't have a win chance anymore, just FYI

I know in aslains you can get a chance to win mod. All it seems to be is your teams wn8 vs their teams wn8. Its far from accurate.



MacDaddyMatty #6 Posted Jul 11 2018 - 15:41

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View Postthe_dude_76, on Jul 11 2018 - 09:35, said:

Discourage play at every tier below 10 you mean right?? Sounds like just another excuse for rerolls to reroll

 

Can you expound on your thoughts here?

If it discourages maybe adjust the factor?

I.E: Tier 1: x 1, Tier 10: x 2.5 (- or something)

Thanks.


 

I mostly pub tier 6-8, (and CW/Advances tier 10).

Shouldn't my stats reflect this?


Edited by MacDaddyMatty, Jul 11 2018 - 15:44.


MacDaddyMatty #7 Posted Jul 11 2018 - 15:41

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View PostRush_91, on Jul 11 2018 - 09:39, said:

I know in aslains you can get a chance to win mod. All it seems to be is your teams wn8 vs their teams wn8. Its far from accurate.

 

I knew it!

Kill it with fire.



The_Illusive_Man #8 Posted Jul 11 2018 - 15:43

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What really needs to happen, is for COMBINED dmg to be calculated. And then every other stat needs to be shown. There is alot you cant easily influence in this game, but dmg is one you can every game. Also, WN9 is already in dev.

dnaman #9 Posted Jul 11 2018 - 16:30

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Agree that the stat padding at lower tiers should somehow be penalized.  My average battle tier is a ton higher than some of these unicum wannabes.  I usually don’t play lower unless I’m with my kids or grinding a new line.  

 

Also chance to win is garbage and I am actively trying to convince my father to drop that mod...



F0R_M07H3R_RU5514 #10 Posted Jul 11 2018 - 16:40

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View PostXxMOJOBALLSxX, on Jul 11 2018 - 09:31, said:

XVM doesn't have a win chance anymore, just FYI

 

View PostMacDaddyMatty, on Jul 11 2018 - 09:35, said:

 

:)

Groovy.

Thanks!

+1

 

View PostRush_91, on Jul 11 2018 - 09:39, said:

I know in aslains you can get a chance to win mod. All it seems to be is your teams wn8 vs their teams wn8. Its far from accurate.

 

View PostMacDaddyMatty, on Jul 11 2018 - 09:41, said:

 

I knew it!

Kill it with fire.

 

Chance to win is now a misnomer.  As I understand it, the XVM metric is (now) simply a collective WN8 comparison, and is not intended to be a "Win Chance".

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The combined wn8 metric is actually pretty accurate as long as you understand how statistics work. A 48% chance to win means you have a slightly less chance of winning than losing which is well within the realm of rng and an outstanding game from a few of the players to overcome. When it starts dipping into the 30% range then even a noble effort will typically only mean you get some nice epic medals and damage. The problem is that most just look at the win chance as set in stone so if its not over 50% they think it means an autoloss. Otoh these are the people who would still be making excuses for poor inconsistent play even if xvm didn't exist.

o7o7o7o7o7o7o7o7o7o7o7o7 #12 Posted Jul 11 2018 - 16:53

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people still use xvm?

 

people still think wn9 is alive?

 

people still think none of these things were raised when wn8 was announced? kekeke

 

its a dead game.expect no changes to any metric. nobody cares



YANKEE137 #13 Posted Jul 11 2018 - 16:54

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If you are going to make my stats public and subject me to trolling, why not make troll stats such as "lifetime team kills/damage" , "drownings" , "bans", "complaints made against me" public too?

the_dude_76 #14 Posted Jul 11 2018 - 16:55

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View PostMacDaddyMatty, on Jul 11 2018 - 08:41, said:

 

Can you expound on your thoughts here?

If it discourages maybe adjust the factor?

I.E: Tier 1: x 1, Tier 10: x 2.5 (- or something)

Thanks.


 

I mostly pub tier 6-8, (and CW/Advances tier 10).

Shouldn't my stats reflect this?

 

Your stats do reflect that, anyone can look to see which tiers you play most frequently.

 

I use WN8 to track my own improvement. Even though it doesn't factor everything into the equation it is still a fair representation. Your idea would make WN8 completely worthless. At the end of the day WN8 is a representation of skill, adjusting for tier negates that entirely. The guy who free exp's past the low tiers in a rush to get to tier ten is going to be over-represented because even though he's going to suck in those tier 10 matches he'll still get the x10 bonus. The guy who does it "right" and learns the game in the lower tiers is going to be underrepresented because, even though he's more skillful than the guy who rushed to tier 10, his WN8 isn't going to reflect that. So what's the point of it then?? If I can make myself look better just by playing higher tier tanks the whole point of the system goes right out the window.

 

In fact nevermind the rerolls, giving players an incentive to skip the lower tiers in a rush to get that x10 bonus to their stats doesn't sound like a good idea.



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View PostYANKEE137, on Jul 11 2018 - 16:54, said:

If you are going to make my stats public and subject me to trolling, why not make troll stats such as "lifetime team kills/damage" , "drownings" , "bans", "complaints made against me" public too?

 

you should be ashamed of yourself. and id love to have a log of all complaints against me. it will be quite hilarious. we can pad those too!

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Chance to win or whatever is used now still only takes overall into account and not recent.  That alone causes issues, at least with any overall "win" prediction.  With prediction being the key word.

 

Turn it off, it'll save some teeth-gnashing. 



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View PostRush_91, on Jul 11 2018 - 08:39, said:

I know in aslains you can get a chance to win mod. All it seems to be is your teams wn8 vs their teams wn8. Its far from accurate.

 

That's gone now. Apparently there was adware included with the mod so all of the major modpacks removed it. Too bad because I liked it. Unlike XVM, which told you the odds right at the start of the match, it maintained a running total so every time a tank was lost the odds changed.

Gothraul #18 Posted Jul 11 2018 - 17:05

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2+ years too late as the project is dead, too many issues with getting historical player data and some other things.

NeatoMan #19 Posted Jul 11 2018 - 17:07

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WN8 already factors in seal clubbing.  That was the a main drive to the WN series; to create a rating system that didn't overly reward seal clubbers.  Currently seal clubbers can still earn high WN8s, but they have to be very good at it...  much better than it takes to earn the same WN8 in the higher tiers

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View PostYANKEE137, on Jul 11 2018 - 10:54, said:

If you are going to make my stats public and subject me to trolling, why not make troll stats such as "lifetime team kills/damage" , "drownings" , "bans", "complaints made against me" public too?

 

So include an opt-out?




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