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Deputy276 #1 Posted Jul 11 2018 - 21:46

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Pretty much every YouTube review on the T-54 says you need to run HEAT ammo either exclusively or almost always. 219 pen doesn't seem all that terrible. I will be seeing mainly the same tanks I saw in the T-44, and it only had 190 pen. Yes, there are some tier 9 medium tanks that have more pen. Mainly the NATO 105 gun tanks. But using Prem ammo all the time will absolutely kill any chance of earning credits. And before you say tier 8-10 tech tree tanks don't earn credits, I have a Obj 257 that will disagree with that. :)

 

So is this tank mainly used for stat purposes, or is the 219 pen ammo viable for most encounters?



spud_tuber #2 Posted Jul 11 2018 - 21:50

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You will need the HEAT ammo, but you don't have to spam it.  You're going to see a higher proportion of armored tanks in the 54 than you did in the 44.

Badird #3 Posted Jul 11 2018 - 21:54

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I dont think I used much HEAT at all, tbh.

Deputy276 #4 Posted Jul 11 2018 - 21:55

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View Postspud_tuber, on Jul 11 2018 - 14:50, said:

You will need the HEAT ammo, but you don't have to spam it. You're going to see a higher proportion of armored tanks in the 54 than you did in the 44.

 

So can you give me a rough idea of how much of it to carry? One guy recommended all HEAT and 5 rounds of HE!!!! :ohmy:

Deputy276 #5 Posted Jul 11 2018 - 21:56

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View PostBadird, on Jul 11 2018 - 14:54, said:

I dont think I used much HEAT at all, tbh.

 

I figured if I just go after medium and light and TDs, I would be okay. No "Jack the Giant Killer" and I shouldn't need a ton of HEAT.

The_Illusive_Man #6 Posted Jul 11 2018 - 21:57

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You dont use the 219 pen gun... The DPM gun is better. Also, you dont need to spam heat, but you do need alot of it.

spud_tuber #7 Posted Jul 11 2018 - 21:59

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View PostDeputy276, on Jul 11 2018 - 14:55, said:

 

So can you give me a rough idea of how much of it to carry? One guy recommended all HEAT and 5 rounds of HE!!!! :ohmy:

I only carry about 7 rounds of HEAT.  I should probably bump that up to about 10 or 12, though.  Also, I'm not winning all that much, so take with a grain of salt.  But the 430 v2 used to be in the same boat pen wise, and I only carried about 7 or 8 HEAT in it as well, and was winning with it fairly well.

 

Edit: I'm using the higher dpm gun as well.  I ground out the top gun with the 219 pen gun as I had it unlocked from the 430v2 and it was ok, but I prefer the dpm gun.  I ran the stock gun on the 432 as well since it was higher dpm and better handling.  That was the pre nerf 430v2.



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View PostDeputy276, on Jul 11 2018 - 20:55, said:

 

So can you give me a rough idea of how much of it to carry? One guy recommended all HEAT and 5 rounds of HE!!!! :ohmy:

 

I usually play with 5 HE (to finish off low health high armored targets) about 10-15 HEAT and the rest in standard ammo.

90% of the time I am ok with standard ammo, only use HEAT for those hard targets if I need to. I try not to loose too many creds.



YANKEE137 #9 Posted Jul 11 2018 - 22:02

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It leads to two of the best tier ten mediums, nothing about it is designed for players to make credits.

Deputy276 #10 Posted Jul 11 2018 - 22:09

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View PostThe_Illusive_Man, on Jul 11 2018 - 14:57, said:

You dont use the 219 pen gun... The DPM gun is better. Also, you dont need to spam heat, but you do need alot of it.

 

Sorry, I am new to this tank. Are you talking about the D-10T2s being better? Why? Only thing I see that is better is ROF. It has terrible dispersion and worse aim time. 

 

View Postspud_tuber, on Jul 11 2018 - 14:59, said:

I only carry about 7 rounds of HEAT.  I should probably bump that up to about 10 or 12, though.  Also, I'm not winning all that much, so take with a grain of salt.  But the 430 v2 used to be in the same boat pen wise, and I only carried about 7 or 8 HEAT in it as well, and was winning with it fairly well.

 

Edit: I'm using the higher dpm gun as well.  I ground out the top gun with the 219 pen gun as I had it unlocked from the 430v2 and it was ok, but I prefer the dpm gun.  I ran the stock gun on the 432 as well since it was higher dpm and better handling.  That was the pre nerf 430v2.

 

Okay, those numbers for HEAT are certainly do-able.  I just don't want to be stuck playing Prem tanks for 2 hours after just one game in the T-54 :teethhappy:

 

View Postgmds44, on Jul 11 2018 - 15:02, said:

 

I usually play with 5 HE (to finish off low health high armored targets) about 10-15 HEAT and the rest in standard ammo.

90% of the time I am ok with standard ammo, only use HEAT for those hard targets if I need to. I try not to loose too many creds.

 

Ouch! 10-15 is quite a few. I really don't want to stock a lot because I will be too tempted to actually use them. ;)

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I use the DPM gun, which has 201mm of AP penetration. That being said, I run about 15 AP rounds, 2 HE rounds and the rest are HEAT. I do not make credits in the T-54 usually, and that's ok for me. 

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View PostYANKEE137, on Jul 11 2018 - 15:02, said:

It leads to two of the best tier ten mediums, nothing about it is designed for players to make credits.

 

I understand upper tier 8+ tanks from the tech tree tend to use, more than earn, credits. I just want to not end up in the poor house after just 5 games. :)

Deputy276 #13 Posted Jul 11 2018 - 22:15

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View Postpickpocket293, on Jul 11 2018 - 15:09, said:

I use the DPM gun, which has 201mm of AP penetration. That being said, I run about 15 AP rounds, 2 HE rounds and the rest are HEAT. I do not make credits in the T-54 usually, and that's ok for me. 

 

So let me ask...what do you mainly go after for targets? Or do you just shoot whatever shows up? I can't see spamming HEAT on targets that can be penned with AP. I had no problems in the T-44 penning Lights, Meds, and TDs with the best gun and AP. And that includes many tier 9 tanks. Obviously, I didn't go after a T-95 frontally. But sides and rear were vulnerable. If I am facing a tier 9-10 super-heavy, I will most likely load HE and keep destroying crew and modules until something shows up that can knock him out. That strategy has worked well for me in the past.   

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75% AP; 20% HEAT; 5% HE. And I round down.

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Okay, so first off, when I got my T-54 I was excited because of the hype and I was doing pretty good in my T-44/T-44-100. Oh, but I was so bad in the T-54. I was at around a 33% win rate. I hated it. But kept coming back to it as I wanted to grind to the Tier X. Then I got better at it. Got the win rate up 41% now and I seem to be doing much better.

 

Current ammo load:

28 AP, 12 HEAT, 10 HE

 

I don't use all the HEAT up most games. But sometimes I wish I had carried more. I probably lose credits more then make credits with the T-54, but that's okay. It's now fun for me to play. I can always make up credits with other tanks if I ever feel like it's a problem.



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Well I am about to "pull the trigger" on the T-54. I will give it a try and see how it works out. Thanks a ton for all the advice. I am taking all of it quite seriously. Should make for some interesting game play. I will start with 5 HEAT, which is about what i carry for most tanks. Then adjust up as necessary. Thanks again guys. Really appreciate it. :honoring:

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I use half and half with some HE in my T55.

Avalon304 #18 Posted Jul 11 2018 - 23:03

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You definitely dont need to spam HEAT, even with the DPM gun. I usually carried a 2:1 ratio (AP:HEAT, no HE at all) and mostly shot AP before I sold the T-54 for being too easy. I carry the same ratio in my T-55A.

spud_tuber #19 Posted Jul 11 2018 - 23:03

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Yeah, even shooting straight AP the T-54 will often lose money.  The damage to credit cost of ratio of the AP round is too low, especially considering the bad pen.

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View PostDeputy276, on Jul 11 2018 - 13:15, said:

 

So let me ask...what do you mainly go after for targets? Or do you just shoot whatever shows up? I can't see spamming HEAT on targets that can be penned with AP. I had no problems in the T-44 penning Lights, Meds, and TDs with the best gun and AP. And that includes many tier 9 tanks. Obviously, I didn't go after a T-95 frontally. But sides and rear were vulnerable. If I am facing a tier 9-10 super-heavy, I will most likely load HE and keep destroying crew and modules until something shows up that can knock him out. That strategy has worked well for me in the past.   

 

It depends on the matchup, as always. The tank is fast enough to flex and while it has troll armor, it's not the most dependable. You can use your speed to bully slow tanks and circle them. You can support your heavies and push a flank. You can flex and mop up a light or med that gets through the lines. What I'm shooting at dictates what ammo I load. I default to HEAT unless I know AP will do the job (light tanks, paper TDs, etc). The only thing the T-54 is bad at is pointing its gun down.

 

View PostDeputy276, on Jul 11 2018 - 13:50, said:

Well I am about to "pull the trigger" on the T-54. I will give it a try and see how it works out. Thanks a ton for all the advice. I am taking all of it quite seriously. Should make for some interesting game play. I will start with 5 HEAT, which is about what i carry for most tanks. Then adjust up as necessary. Thanks again guys. Really appreciate it. :honoring:

 

 

Use the DPM gun, and load more heat.






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