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Snow_white_1 #21 Posted Jul 11 2018 - 23:04

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its a tank that works with heat... i understand and i do carrry almost 100% heat in the t54. i strongly belive that high tiers are for performing not to make credits and the t-54 with heat just shines. im not against gold use in certain tanks. 219 vs 330 its just too much difference 

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ArmorStorm #22 Posted Jul 11 2018 - 23:15

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View PostDeputy276, on Jul 11 2018 - 14:46, said:

Pretty much every YouTube review on the T-54 says you need to run HEAT ammo either exclusively or almost always. 219 pen doesn't seem all that terrible. I will be seeing mainly the same tanks I saw in the T-44, and it only had 190 pen. Yes, there are some tier 9 medium tanks that have more pen. Mainly the NATO 105 gun tanks. But using Prem ammo all the time will absolutely kill any chance of earning credits. And before you say tier 8-10 tech tree tanks don't earn credits, I have a Obj 257 that will disagree with that. :)

 

So is this tank mainly used for stat purposes, or is the 219 pen ammo viable for most encounters?

 

Please don't just make stuff up, it undermines any point you may have.  I assure you that no one will believe you are making a profit on that 257 with a 38% win rate and less than 900 damage per game.  You might have made a profit on the match you got the 1st class Mastery, but you are NOT making a profit in Tier 9 with your stats.  

 

The T-54 is a really good tank balanced by fairly poor penetration.  Offset that with HEAT shells and you have a great tank.



Joe150 #23 Posted Jul 12 2018 - 01:01

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I didn't know making credits was even a thought in tier IX even though I do sometimes.I love the T54 and  I play it ridiculously aggressive even in a tier X battle could care less .It's one of the few tanks that gives you a high reward for a high risk move more times than not and for some reason in this tank the HEAT pens everything.If WGs would have left the dpm gun alone I would be 55% with an average damage of 1300 no doubt.The 140 disappointed me that's how good the 54 is.

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View PostDeputy276, on Jul 11 2018 - 16:50, said:

Well I am about to "pull the trigger" on the T-54. I will give it a try and see how it works out. Thanks a ton for all the advice. I am taking all of it quite seriously. Should make for some interesting game play. I will start with 5 HEAT, which is about what i carry for most tanks. Then adjust up as necessary. Thanks again guys. Really appreciate it. :honoring:

You might want to hold off on that purchase.  I think it will be On Track next (in about 2weeks).  You can buy it at a discount then. 



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View PostRBSPWAW, on Jul 11 2018 - 18:51, said:

You might want to hold off on that purchase.  I think it will be On Track next (in about 2weeks).  You can buy it at a discount then. 

 

This.  I tried using the D10T2S but I couldn't hit anything and the aim time feels tragic in comparison.  I may give it another shot though, we'll see.  Current loadout is 30/18/2.  There's only 1-2 games out of 10 that I fire more than 1-2 HEAT rounds.  I save them for super heavies and OP Soviet tanks (Obj 268 V4, Obj 430 U, Obj 277) or went I absolutely think I have to pen.  Every now and then I see and 10k-20k loss from profligate usage but I probably saw it as necessary at the time.  No big deal, one game in a tier VIII premium, even if I lose, will neutralize that.

UnitG2 #26 Posted Jul 12 2018 - 02:37

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T54 is routinely shows up in the bottom 10 net credit income- like way in the negatives.

 

This means most are spamming loads of gold. I know, not that unusual in the tier 9 and 10 stat padding set, but this is one of the worst.

 

I didnt do well in it, stopped buying premium time, sold the T54.



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Huh, it's a fun tank but like most you gotta out flank to deal serious damage. Platoon and wolfpack for maximum dmg and fun.

I think I load 30/10/10. I prefer to humiliate by spamming HE. HEAT is too expensive so save it for special occasions.

Just remember HEAT is not magic.

Asassian7 #28 Posted Jul 12 2018 - 08:32

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The 201 pen gun is the best choice imo (before the rebalance it was the obvious choice, now not so much but it still is better I believe.)  And no, you dont *need* to fire HEAT 24/7. At least... You didnt. Nowadays when everything in the game has a 500mm armour and no weakspots yeah you do need a lot.

I carry like 20 rounds of HEAT in my T-54.

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I use the 100mm D-54 gun (219 AP pen).  Load out is 22 AP, 25 HEAT, 2 HE.  I use this gun because I like the accuracy of this gun over the other even though the overall DPM is lower.  Depending on your play style, this gun can be made to work as well.

 

I usually start the match with AP loaded and I only swap to HEAT when I start failing to pen or if I start dealing with heavies like E100 / Type 5 / etc which are easier to deal with when I LOL shoot them in their face. 



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View PostDeputy276, on Jul 11 2018 - 21:46, said:

Pretty much every YouTube review on the T-54 says you need to run HEAT ammo either exclusively or almost always. 219 pen doesn't seem all that terrible. I will be seeing mainly the same tanks I saw in the T-44, and it only had 190 pen. Yes, there are some tier 9 medium tanks that have more pen. Mainly the NATO 105 gun tanks. But using Prem ammo all the time will absolutely kill any chance of earning credits. And before you say tier 8-10 tech tree tanks don't earn credits, I have a Obj 257 that will disagree with that. :)

 

So is this tank mainly used for stat purposes, or is the 219 pen ammo viable for most encounters?

 

only fools wouldnt

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Most use the DPM gun with a liberal amount of gold ammo rather than the higher alpha gun. The DPM gun offers versatility and any pen issues are done away with by just using HEAT which does have very good pen.

 

FYI I have both the T62a and 140 unlocked using only that DPM gun because I hated the Alpha gun.


Edited by _Gungrave_, Jul 12 2018 - 10:49.


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View PostAvalon304, on Jul 11 2018 - 17:03, said:

before I sold the T-54 for being too easy.

 

Then why couldn't you ever get a mastery badge in it after 200 games?

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View Post_Gungrave_, on Jul 12 2018 - 03:49, said:

Most use the DPM gun with a liberal amount of gold ammo rather than the higher alpha gun. The DPM gun offers versatility and any pen issues are done away with by just using HEAT which does have very good pen.

 

FYI I have both the T62a and 140 unlocked using only that DPM gun because I hated the Alpha gun.

Ummm, both guns have the same alpha.  Did you mean the higher pen gun?



Deputy276 #34 Posted Jul 12 2018 - 15:22

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View PostArmorStorm, on Jul 11 2018 - 16:15, said:

 

Please don't just make stuff up, it undermines any point you may have.  I assure you that no one will believe you are making a profit on that 257 with a 38% win rate and less than 900 damage per game.  You might have made a profit on the match you got the 1st class Mastery, but you are NOT making a profit in Tier 9 with your stats.  

 

The T-54 is a really good tank balanced by fairly poor penetration.  Offset that with HEAT shells and you have a great tank.

 

FYI...the Object 257 is a new tank in my garage and I am still testing which gun I want to use. I initially had the IS-3 gun and did quite well with it. The upgrade gun I had problems with, because I was getting confusing readings with the pen indicator as well as weird performance with the APCR-only ammo. When I switched to just using "common sense" aiming, it did quite well. Only games I lost credits with were with the BL-14 gun. And that was very few games. That has since changed and I am making credits now with it. I don't think I have used gold ammo once with that tank. I really don't care what anyone "believes". I know what my experiences are. Plus I got the Object 257 during the 5X bonus time. So making credits was rather easy. I haven't played it since that time ended, because I was grinding the T-44. 

 

I took the T-54 out with the T-44 gun. In the short time I was able to use it, it worked quite well. I was in a tier 10 game and was able to locate a tier 8 tank and penned it quite easily. Unfortunately, I got hit with the "lag monster" and that ended any kind of decent game play. This seems to happen a lot around 3:30-4PM Mountain Time. I can be playing lag-free all day and then WHAM...I get hit with unplayable lag. Just have to leave the game and come back later on in the evening. 



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View Postspud_tuber, on Jul 12 2018 - 13:28, said:

Ummm, both guns have the same alpha.  Did you mean the higher pen gun?

 

Maybe they changed something because I remember it having a DPM gun and another with slightly higher alpha.

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View Post_Gungrave_, on Jul 12 2018 - 08:34, said:

 

Maybe they changed something because I remember it having a DPM gun and another with slightly higher alpha.

If they changed it, they did so a long time ago.  Before I started down the line to the 416, a few years back.



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I use a 60% AP / 40% HEAT loadout.  I don't use the DPM gun.

LT_Moon #38 Posted Jul 12 2018 - 16:13

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I do carry 3 HEAT but have never used them in this tank. The speed is good so you can go for the side shots if the target is too strong. Making credits higher than t8 tanks is tough. I use the top gun and unlocked both t10 tanks with not much trouble.

 

EDIT: I am surprised by previous answers how much gold is used in this tank. So not using gold is unusual! 


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View PostLT_Moon, on Jul 12 2018 - 16:13, said:

I do carry 3 HEAT but have never used them in this tank. The speed is good so you can go for the side shots if the target is too strong. Making credits higher than t8 tanks is tough. I use the top gun and unlocked both t10 tanks with not much trouble.

 

EDIT: I am surprised by previous answers how much gold is used in this tank. So not using gold is unusual! 

 

Its more so that the landscape of the game has changed over the years leading to the 54 requiring a larger gold ratio loadout.

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Because using the DPM gun and Heat, pretty much makes this a tier10 tank at tier9.  Running it full Heat is not the best way to grind this tank, its run this way after you're done grinding.  Get yourself 4 to 5 skill crew, DPM gun and full heat.  It's an enjoyable experience. IT's why many keep this tank after they're done grinding it.




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