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Mfezi #61 Posted Jul 12 2018 - 18:03

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View PostDrWho_, on Jul 12 2018 - 18:39, said:

 

Those are still not your actual stats according to other WoT stat sites ......

tanks.gg and noobmeter gives you a WN8 of around 470 for your last 1100 battles or so, which more or less equates to your 30 days battle number in your sig, they also give you a WR of around 46% which is also well below what is showing in your sig

 

I like them - you may choose to ignore them!.... :)

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View Postleeuniverse, on Jul 12 2018 - 10:26, said:

 

Wrong, the only people that don't want SBMM don't understand that it won't hurt them AT ALL....

 

And to be clear, SBMM is simply:

- By Player Rating (not WinRate because Winrates can vary greatly for various reasons that have no basis on "skill".

- Balancing both teams with about the SAME # of skilled players, for example, each team has 1 Unicorn, 3 Blues, 4 Greens, etc., so no, you aren't just playing against your own skill level, the teams are simply equally balanced.

 

However, SBMM will only help team balance and games slightly, it alone is not even close to enough in being able to make better games.

What also needs to be done is:

- HP levels at least Tripled respectively

- Power Spread between tiers no greater than 5% in Armor, Damage, Pen, HP

- No tank does over 600 Damage

- Arty doesn't do over 300 Damage to any tank (though arty should be also more accurate)

- Tank speeds depending on tank and role need to be greatly increased.

- Heavy's have good frontal armor, only designated weak spots, instead of the crap armor most have now

- No Gold rounds, armor and rounds are given proper pen and armor accordingly to what they will face, and armor can actually be used for a change instead of people cheating using gold.

And likely more I'm forgetting at the moment.

 

Each of the above will slightly reduce imbalanced games, and they add up.

This will in turn make FAR MORE battles enjoyable, reduce steamrolls greatly, no more WHAM and your games over, allow the game to be more of a "battle", like the game should be, instead of Arcade bullship that only caters to Unicorns to be able to enjoy the game.  Unicorns won't be "hurt" by ANY of these suggestions, though yes you will have some actual competition instead of your seal clubbing.  Because tanks will no longer be the equivalent of riding a bicycle with 2 flat tires and bent rims.....  When tires are filled up, and rims aren't bent, more people can actually compete with you.

 

I know this for a FACT because of Armored Warfare....  90% of their tanks used to be great, compared to WOT tanks 90% were crap (now only 1% are any good), as a result, I could perform well per my actual ability.  There are still good and bad players, that doesn't end, but the game is more enjoyable when you have tanks that actually work like they should.  https://imgur.com/a/qh9KC

Lol. So you want to see tanks with 6000hp facing guns that can only deal 600 max damage. 

Tanks are fine as they are.  

If that other game appeals to you more go play it. 



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View PostMfezi, on Jul 12 2018 - 18:03, said:

 

I like them - you may choose to ignore them!.... :)

 

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

 

Benjamin Disraeli

 

Why even post stats that are in no way a reflection of your actual stats, recent or otherwise ?



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View PostDrWho_, on Jul 12 2018 - 12:16, said:

 

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

 

Benjamin Disraeli

 

Why even post stats that are in no way a reflection of your actual stats, recent or otherwise ?

 

(careful, common sense angers some people) :mellow:

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View Post_Kradok_, on Jul 12 2018 - 18:17, said:

 

(careful, common sense angers some people) :mellow:

 

I know, I see that anger when I advocate adding some kind of skill weighting to the MM....

Mfezi #66 Posted Jul 12 2018 - 18:39

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View PostDrWho_, on Jul 12 2018 - 19:16, said:

 

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

 

Benjamin Disraeli

 

Why even post stats that are in no way a reflection of your actual stats, recent or otherwise ?

 

Which is right and which is wrong, that is the question!....

 

I have battle reports that support every game upon which these stats are based. They are ALL available on vBAddict and you are free to go through them all and find the error.

 

Can you say that about noobmeter or wotlabs?.....


Edited by Mfezi, Jul 12 2018 - 18:47.


Mfezi #67 Posted Jul 12 2018 - 18:40

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View PostDrWho_, on Jul 12 2018 - 19:30, said:

 

I know, I see that anger when I advocate adding some kind of skill weighting to the MM....

 

+1

DrWho_ #68 Posted Jul 12 2018 - 18:45

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View PostMfezi, on Jul 12 2018 - 18:39, said:

 

Which is right and which is wrong, that is the question!....

 

You mean which is more trustworthy, sites that grab *all* publically available stats vs a site using stats that the user uploads himself .... yeah that's a tough question, care to weigh in on the pros and cons of either ?

Mfezi #69 Posted Jul 12 2018 - 18:49

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View PostDrWho_, on Jul 12 2018 - 19:45, said:

 

You mean which is more trustworthy, sites that grab *all* publically available stats vs a site using stats that the user uploads himself .... yeah that's a tough question, care to weigh in on the pros and cons of either ?

 

see my edit!....

and adu is automated!,,,,


Edited by Mfezi, Jul 12 2018 - 18:50.


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View PostMfezi, on Jul 12 2018 - 18:39, said:

 

Which is right and which is wrong, that is the question!....

 

I have battle reports that support every game upon which these stats are based. They are ALL available on vBAddict and you are free to go through them all and find the error.

 

Can you say that about noobmeter or wotlabs?.....

 

I see what you're saying now

Noobmeter, and tanks.gg both report your number of games, WR, avg exp pr game and avg dame pr game 99,99% correctly compared to the official WoT personal rating, a natural conclusion from that is that they've effed up your more recent stats despite them both tracking my recents fairly accurate as far as I can tell

Guess they don't like you much and have decided to under report your stats or are you by any chance under the same contract with WoT as templars8 ? 

Mfezi #71 Posted Jul 12 2018 - 19:15

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View PostDrWho_, on Jul 12 2018 - 20:01, said:

 

I see what you're saying now

Noobmeter, and tanks.gg both report your number of games, WR, avg exp pr game and avg dame pr game 99,99% correctly compared to the official WoT personal rating, a natural conclusion from that is that they've effed up your more recent stats despite them both tracking my recents fairly accurate as far as I can tell

Guess they don't like you much and have decided to under report your stats or are you by any chance under the same contract with WoT as templars8 ? 

 

Here's a quick summary of the sort of data accumulated by vBAddict. I'm satisfied that that it reflects my battle stats for tonight's session so far. At least I can verify this. Please let me have a similar printout of the sort of data collected by the other stats sites so that I can make a fair comparison. As I said before, I am happy to view only my recent stats, they are more relevant in this constantly changing game!

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Quick Summary for Mfezi.ru vBAddict.net

Date Map Tank Result
XP
WN7
WN8
BR
Dmg
Asst
Frags
Spot
Cap
DeCap
Credits Net
3 Battles Sum    
1,433
     
3,703
654
2
1
0
0
10,541 cr
  Average
33.3%
66.7%
478
1,047
1,165
716
1,234
218
0.7
0.3
0
0
3,514 cr
3 Battles Sum    
1,433
     
3,703
654
2
1
0
0
10,541 cr
  Average
33.3%
66.7%
478
1,047
1,165
716
1,234
218
0.7
0.3
0
0
3,514 cr
2018-07-12 18:55 Steppes
Conqueror
LOST
311
1,450
2,079
1,029
2,345
0
1
0
0
0
-10,387 cr
2018-07-12 18:28 Ensk
Centurion I
WON
638
808
1,100
623
1,092
0
0
1
0
0
5,101 cr
2018-07-12 18:09 Cliff
Cromwell B
WON
484
885
317
496
266
654
1
0
0
0
15,827 cr


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I'm looking at the stats in your sig which says that you have an avg XP for the last 7 days ..... tadah, 1734, last 30 days 1357, last 60 days 1326

 

 

Care to explain that ?

 



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View Post24cups, on Jul 12 2018 - 10:07, said:

Lol. So you want to see tanks with 6000hp facing guns that can only deal 600 max damage. 

Tanks are fine as they are.  

If that other game appeals to you more go play it. 

 

1. Yes, but depending on the tank there can be some variation in the amount.  Higher HP eliminates the "wham" and you're dead, allows for retreating, saves, regrouping, flanking, etc., all of which makes a more dynamic and fun game instead of a Frack U game which is how almost everyone currently feels playing the game if they are honest and not trying to be a fan boy.

 

2. No they aren't, if they were people wouldn't hate on the game so much related to the SYMPTOMS, i.e. MM, Arty, full HP Derping, etc.  The real causes of their frustration is crap performing tanks.

 

3. It failed by firing Obsidian when Obsidian didn't want to make crap, they didn't implement many of my suggestions that were still needed such as HP levels, which is further why it failed, it also started trying to be like WOT in making tanks crap, the further reason why it failed.



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View PostNunya_000, on Jul 11 2018 - 19:44, said:

Had some hope after the first post......lost all hope after  the second post and realized that nothing has really changed.

 

+1.

 

 

OP after your 1st post I was going to invite you to come platoon.

We have some excellent players who can mitigate your aggression, teach you to not "chase damage" , and the right way to read the mini-map, which are the things that consistently make for very bad games.


 

Then I saw you 2nd post...

Nope.

You would not be welcome in our community.


 

Shame.

What I have learned has brought me from a blood-orange to an asparagus (or what ever green is).

When I do crappy it's not WG, it's me (and a bit of RNG, but not that much).

I also found that when I get my tanks HP, and survive deep into the battle, my team tends to min more than when I don't.


 

I wish you luck, but I genuinely think you will be happier with a different game.

WoT is not for everyone.



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View PostMacDaddyMatty, on Jul 12 2018 - 20:39, said:

 

+1.

 

 

OP after your 1st post I was going to invite you to come platoon.

We have some excellent players who can mitigate your aggression, teach you to not "chase damage" , and the right way to read the mini-map, which are the things that consistently make for very bad games.


 

Then I saw you 2nd post...

Nope.

You would not be welcome in our community.


 

Shame.

What I have learned has brought me from a blood-orange to an asparagus (or what ever green is).

When I do crappy it's not WG, it's me (and a bit of RNG, but not that much).

I also found that when I get my tanks HP, and survive deep into the battle, my team tends to min more than when I don't.


 

I wish you luck, but I genuinely think you will be happier with a different game.

WoT is not for everyone.

 

Somewhat presumptuous don't you think - bet you can't wait for my third post. :)

 

All I am asking is WG consider SBMM as a means of making the game more enjoyable for the majority. Just because a handful of obnoxious players disagree, is no reason to stop pushing for SBMM and accepting the status quo!....

 



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View PostDrWho_, on Jul 12 2018 - 20:31, said:

I'm looking at the stats in your sig which says that you have an avg XP for the last 7 days ..... tadah, 1734, last 30 days 1357, last 60 days 1326

 

 

Care to explain that ?

 

 

Premium, 5x XP, personal reserves possibly. This is what get players to the next tier so I would say that its a useful stat!....

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View PostMfezi, on Jul 12 2018 - 20:03, said:

 

Somewhat presumptuous don't you think - bet you can't wait for my third post. :)

 

All I am asking is WG consider SBMM as a means of making the game more enjoyable for the majority. Just because a handful of obnoxious players disagree, is no reason to stop pushing for SBMM and accepting the status quo!....

 

I would love to see your 3rd post so I can have a reason to stop reading them.



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View PostMfezi, on Jul 12 2018 - 14:03, said:

 

Somewhat presumptuous don't you think - bet you can't wait for my third post. :)

 

All I am asking is WG consider SBMM as a means of making the game more enjoyable for the majority. Just because a handful of obnoxious players disagree, is no reason to stop pushing for SBMM and accepting the status quo!....

 

 

Again and politely, your premise is incorrect.

SBMM would not make the game more enjoyable for the majority.

It would allow really bad players to be carried.

It would be bad for queue times.

It would reduce the randomness and cause matches to become bland.

And more that has been explained and demonstrated by games that tried it and failed.


 

SBMM is akin to socialism, and catering to the lowest common denominator.


 

Work on getting better, and you will have more fun.



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View PostDrWho_, on Jul 12 2018 - 11:30, said:

 

I know, I see that anger when I advocate adding some kind of skill weighting to the MM....

 

Two questions:

1) How do you define skill?

2) How do you prevent players from improperly influencing that (or those) metric(s)?

 

 



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View PostMfezi, on Jul 12 2018 - 11:03, said:

 

Somewhat presumptuous don't you think - bet you can't wait for my third post. :)

 

All I am asking is WG consider SBMM as a means of making the game more enjoyable for the majority. Just because a handful of obnoxious players disagree, is no reason to stop pushing for SBMM and accepting the status quo!....

 

 

Form my understanding, WG has considered it and rejected it.  From my observation, a majority are not in favor of SBMM and it is the obnoxious few that want it....and 90% of them are players with low Win Rates.




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