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CabbageMechanic #1 Posted Jul 26 2018 - 14:52

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Hey Folks,

The long-awaited update on what is going with Preferential Matchmaking is here.

In short, we underestimated the value that players placed on the preferential aspect of vehicle matchmaking and after your immediate feedback have scrapped that plan and are working on the problem from another angle.  Preferential Matchmaking will not be removed from vehicles.

The new plan is to still buff underperforming vehicles with Pref. MM, but not to the extent that they would have been with its removal (see the article for details).  These are draft changes, and will potentially change pending testing and feedback.

The other part of the approach is our overall effort to improve the Matchmaker.  From the article:
 

The Article

 In its current state, matchmaker often fails to ensure proper rotation among the top/middle/bottom of the list. Getting matched at the same position for several battles in a row slows progression and degrades the overall experience for all vehicles. Unfortunately, simply tweaking the current algorithm won’t fix it.

 

Early testing on our initial plans to improve the new system did not work out, and will require a more dramatic restructuring of the matchmaking.  We are currently working on that project but it is going to take some time.  The updates to matchmaker will focus on improving tier rotation and template distribution used by the Matchmaking system, with special consideration paid to improving the Tier VIII experience.

In addition, I have some immediate Q&A Answers on this topic from the Development Team.

Q: What about lower tier vehicles with Preferential Matchmaking?
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First of all we must resolve high tiers issues. And MM is not the only issue for low tiers. There will also need to be changes in characteristics for these vehicles. 

Q: Why did it take so long to respond to the issue of Tier 8 Matchmaking?
A: 
After the release of 9.18, it took us several months to collect the correct statistics on the formation of battles. Almost every version we released made changes to MM. Also, we released events such as Ranked Battles, which very strongly influenced the Queue and the formation of the correct statistics on the distribution inside the templates. Further, as we already wrote in the article, we tested the solution for MM, which would give us the opportunity to influence the distribution inside the templates. But the tests were unsuccessful and did not give the desired result. That's why the whole process took so much time.

Q: Why did it take so long to respond to the feedback about the removal of Preferential Matchmaking?
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From the very first hours of publication, we received quite negative feedback about the removal of the preferential factor. We assembled the team and began to discuss an alternative solution. It was impossible to think of a simple way out in this situation. We began to calculate the options for returning to matchmaker's solution and the team took some time to initially understand what to do, and then to estimate the possible terms. As a result, we realized that in the next couple of months we will not be able to correct this with the help of MM and decided to add a correction for the characteristics for these vehicles. Naturally, we did not want to come to the players with a hasty decision, as it was before. That's why it took so long.

Keep an eye out for more Q&A answers from WGNA and the Dev team in the upcoming Reddit Q&As (we'll post links here).

As always we appreciate your feedback and look forward to seeing you on the battlefield,

CM
 




 


Edited by CabbageMechanic, Jul 26 2018 - 15:42.


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Holy moly, this is actually what I was hoping for!

Augustus_Sohn #3 Posted Jul 26 2018 - 15:16

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Crossing fingers...

 

Please, don't look to Blitz for any ideas. Please. 

 

Addendum: INB4 the ones who will find any reason to complain and kvetch


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View PostCabbageMechanic, on Jul 26 2018 - 08:52, said:

Hey Folks........


CM

 

Hey Cabbage ? ...

 

1) is the change to the WZ-111 will be apply to the Alpine Tiger at the same time ? ( same tank with a different name shouldnt impact it ???) .... ( same with IS-6 and Is-6B i guess all duplicate tank will get there change at the same time ? )... 

 

2) Type 59 No Standard ammo penetration buff..... https://tanks.gg/com...dc~centurion-51 ( T-34-3 And Type 59 ammo penetration is too weak i would like to not spamm premium round all game ) ...  under 200 penetration in a tier 9 battles .... = very bad medium tank ... i dont think the DPM change will be useful for the Hype 59....

 

thnx.... have a good day


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View PostKehox, on Jul 26 2018 - 06:26, said:

 

Hey Cabbage ? ...

 

1) is the change to the WZ-111 will be apply to the Alpine Tiger at the same time ? ( same tank with a different name shouldnt impact it ???) .... ( same with IS-6 and Is-6B i guess all duplicate tank will get there change at the same time ? )... 

 

2) Type 59 No Standard ammo penetration buff..... https://tanks.gg/com...dc~centurion-51 ( T-34-3 And Type 59 ammo penetration is too weak i would like to not spamm premium round all game ) ... 

 

thnx.... have a good day

 


1. I am 99.99% sure yes, but I will confirm -edit- Confirmed, "clone" vehicles will receive the same updates as the original when the final changes go live.

2. Thanks for the feedback - this is the first iteration of changes so a pen buff could potentially be added before this hits the live server - we will see how the first changes test.

Edited by CabbageMechanic, Jul 26 2018 - 15:36.


Blucraft #6 Posted Jul 26 2018 - 15:39

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This is a step in the right direction!  Thanks for taking all of the feedback in consideration :great:.

 

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View PostKehox, on Jul 26 2018 - 06:26, said:

 

Hey Cabbage ? ...

 

1) is the change to the WZ-111 will be apply to the Alpine Tiger at the same time ? ( same tank with a different name shouldnt impact it ???) .... ( same with IS-6 and Is-6B i guess all duplicate tank will get there change at the same time ? )... 

 

2) Type 59 No Standard ammo penetration buff..... https://tanks.gg/com...dc~centurion-51 ( T-34-3 And Type 59 ammo penetration is too weak i would like to not spamm premium round all game ) ...  under 200 penetration in a tier 9 battles .... = very bad medium tank ... i dont think the DPM change will be useful for the Hype 59....

 

thnx.... have a good day

 

They are increasing the IS-6 pen 7mm (From 175 to 182) and calling it a day. Not sure how this makes it competitive. And you think under 200mm pen in tier 9 battles is bad. 

Only solution is to stop creating overpowered crap. 


Edited by makalu2k6, Jul 26 2018 - 15:39.


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I have taken WG to task in other topics, no need to repeat that here, for all that preceded this.

 

This topic is for:

 

Thank Gawd!!! Thanks Cabbage for articulating this, and being our collective voice. Anxiously awaiting the outcome and developments.



Tupinambis #9 Posted Jul 26 2018 - 15:45

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God damn. I know that losing pref-MM sucks, but the KV-5 buff was shaping up to turn it into an absolute beast, but now its still going to suck in practically every single match its in.

 

Its a 100 ton super heavy. The MM will go out of its way to pitch it against a rival super heavy, like a Mauerbrecher or O-Ho. As long as the KV-5’s premium pen remains a completely anemic 219mm, then its still going to be worthless against all of its same-tier revivals, say nothing of tier 9 enemies.



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La mejora del IS 6 será también para la version black

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Some nice changes to several premium tanks and good to hear WG changed their minds about removing pref mm.

 

The question remains however: What will we get first? improved matchmaking or transfers to EU? Playing pref mms with 200 ping isn't very fun.



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View PostMephistopheles14, on Jul 26 2018 - 06:51, said:

La mejora del IS 6 será también para la version black

 

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Lesser_Spotted_Panzer #13 Posted Jul 26 2018 - 15:57

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Thanks CM for explaining why this took so long.

 

Do you have any insight into the timeframe of the tank buffs? I realize the MM changes will likely take 6 months, but hopefully the buffs will be done sooner so that I can start playing these tanks again.



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View PostTupinambis, on Jul 26 2018 - 09:45, said:

God damn. I know that losing pref-MM sucks, but the KV-5 buff was shaping up to turn it into an absolute beast, but now its still going to suck in practically every single match its in.

 

Its a 100 ton super heavy. The MM will go out of its way to pitch it against a rival super heavy, like a Mauerbrecher or O-Ho. As long as the KV-5’s premium pen remains a completely anemic 219mm, then its still going to be worthless against all of its same-tier revivals, say nothing of tier 9 enemies.

 

I seem to do fine in the kv-5 as it is now when I play it. Just have to go where the meds are and bully them.

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Thanks for the information cabbage.

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View PostLesser_Spotted_Panzer, on Jul 26 2018 - 06:57, said:

Thanks CM for explaining why this took so long.

 

Do you have any insight into the timeframe of the tank buffs? I realize the MM changes will likely take 6 months, but hopefully the buffs will be done sooner so that I can start playing these tanks again.

 


I think that's reasonable to assume, but I don't have an exact timeline - it depends on how testing goes.

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Huzzah.

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Good news everyone!



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But... but... we can't keep pref MM... WG said it was the root of all evil for tier 8 tanks... the cause of all MM problems.

 

If we keep it, the world will be like...



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Thank you sir!

 

One small request: can you buff the all of the US 105s while you are at it?  The Tiger II is easier to do well in than the T32 nowadays.


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