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Ajatcho #1 Posted Sep 09 2011 - 17:02

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http://www.tankinfo..../images/T54.jpg

The T54 was a series of prototype American tanks of the 1950s with three different turrets, all armed with a 105mm gun, mounted on the M48 Patton chassis. The original T54 had a conventional turret with an autoloader, while the turret on T54E1 was of an oscillating design with an autoloader and the one on T54E2 was conventional with a human loader. The turret on T54E1 was similar to that of the T69 in its oscillating design and in that it held a crew of three and a nine-round drum autoloader under the gun. The T54E1 was abandoned in 1956 and in 1957 the entire project was cancelled in favor of the T95.

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Viper69 #2 Posted Sep 09 2011 - 17:07

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That thing looks like it has a huge front profile. Albeit the turret is nicely slopes but that lower glacius plate is a huge area. Looks like a nice tank though for sure.

strYker555 #3 Posted Sep 09 2011 - 20:09

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It looks like an American version of the Soviet T-54/55 series from the front.

XenomorphZZ #4 Posted Sep 10 2011 - 00:32

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Should be part of a second US medium line IMO.

VirgilHilts #5 Posted Sep 10 2011 - 00:43

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It appears to have potential. However, most U.S. tanks with a cannon larger than 90MM were generally classified as a heavy and/or support tank.

Got sources?

Just noted the "oscillating turret". The developers hath decreed that oscillating turrets will be a French tank only attribute. The eliminates the T54E1.

Morawka #6 Posted Sep 10 2011 - 00:55

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how does a oscillating turret work compared to regular turret

XenomorphZZ #7 Posted Sep 10 2011 - 00:59

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The turret moves horizonally and the gun vertically...

Ingame damaging the turret will prevent any movment of the gun and turret.

Gigaton #8 Posted Sep 10 2011 - 02:12

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I'd love to have this as alternate tier 9 medium for US, if just for the chat confusion it would cause.

XenomorphZZ #9 Posted Sep 10 2011 - 02:15

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Because people will actually have to use the T'-'###?...

Good its about time people say the names right...

Ajatcho #10 Posted Sep 10 2011 - 08:27

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well it might go M4A3E2 (Jumbo) > T23 > T54 > T95  :Smile_great:

B_Gras #11 Posted Sep 10 2011 - 10:13

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View PostAjatcho, on Sep 10 2011 - 08:27, said:

well it might go M4A3E2 (Jumbo) > T23 > T54 > T95  :Smile_great:
Good idea  :Smile_great:

Ghoest #12 Posted Sep 10 2011 - 12:59

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View PostVirgilHilts, on Sep 10 2011 - 00:43, said:

It appears to have potential. However, most U.S. tanks with a cannon larger than 90MM were generally classified as a heavy and/or support tank.

Got sources?

Just noted the "oscillating turret". The developers hath decreed that oscillating turrets will be a French tank only attribute. The eliminates the T54E1.


The Pershing was classified as a heavy tank. The devs dont pay much attention to US military doctrine o why should it matter here?

VirgilHilts #13 Posted Sep 10 2011 - 16:29

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View PostGhoest, on Sep 10 2011 - 12:59, said:

The Pershing was classified as a heavy tank. The devs dont pay much attention to US military doctrine o why should it matter here?

The Pershing was reclassified as a medium tank around 1946. WoT apparently agrees with them. The M4x Patton series, larger and heavier than the Pershing, is classified as  medium tank as well, apparently WoT agrees with that part of U.S. tank doctrine, too.

So, evidently, they pick and choose what part of tank doctrine they decide to follow.

XenomorphZZ #14 Posted Sep 10 2011 - 16:44

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Meh, every doctumentary I watch that mentions the Pershing, states it was classifed as a heavy for propaganda reasons, mainly because the moral in the army was low since most of their tanks still were mince meet to a tiger...

VirgilHilts #15 Posted Sep 10 2011 - 16:57

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View PostXenomorphZZ, on Sep 10 2011 - 16:44, said:

Meh, every doctumentary I watch that mentions the Pershing, states it was classifed as a heavy for propaganda reasons, mainly because the moral in the army was low since most of their tanks still were mince meet to a tiger...

Well, as far as actual tanks that saw battle in World War II, the Pershing was heavier than our mediums, and the 90MM was a large cannon, so that made it a heavy for that period of time, to the U.S., which classified tanks as much by cannon size as anything, all the way up to the point where the switch was made to main battle tanks.

Ajatcho #16 Posted Sep 10 2011 - 17:00

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In May 1946, due to changing conceptions of the U.S. Army's tank needs, the M26 was reclassified as a medium tank. Designed as a heavy tank, the Pershing was a significant upgrade from the M4 Sherman in terms of firepower and protection. On the other hand, its mobility was unsatisfactory for a medium tank (it used the same engine that powered the M4A3, which was some ten tons lighter) and its transmission was somewhat unreliable. In 1948, the M26E2 version was developed with a new powerpack. Eventually the new version was redesignated the M46 General Patton and 1,160 M26s were rebuilt to this new standard. Thus the M26 became a base of the Patton tank series, which replaced it in early 1950s. The M47 Patton was an M46 Patton with a new turret. The later M48 Patton and M60 Patton, which saw service in later Vietnam and Mideast conflicts and still serve in active duty in many nations today, were evolutionary redesigns of the original layout set down by the Pershing.

VirgilHilts #17 Posted Sep 10 2011 - 17:12

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View PostAjatcho, on Sep 10 2011 - 17:00, said:

In May 1946, due to changing conceptions of the U.S. Army's tank needs, the M26 was reclassified as a medium tank. Designed as a heavy tank, the Pershing was a significant upgrade from the M4 Sherman in terms of firepower and protection. On the other hand, its mobility was unsatisfactory for a medium tank (it used the same engine that powered the M4A3, which was some ten tons lighter) and its transmission was somewhat unreliable. In 1948, the M26E2 version was developed with a new powerpack. Eventually the new version was redesignated the M46 General Patton and 1,160 M26s were rebuilt to this new standard. Thus the M26 became a base of the Patton tank series, which replaced it in early 1950s. The M47 Patton was an M46 Patton with a new turret. The later M48 Patton and M60 Patton, which saw service in later Vietnam and Mideast conflicts and still serve in active duty in many nations today, were evolutionary redesigns of the original layout set down by the Pershing.

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This. Exactly.

As a side note, the fact that the M60 Patton is just the final iteration of the World War II era Pershing, combined with the fact that the original M60 Patton was developed in 1957, and released for production in 1958, entering service in 1959, is the reason it should be a viable candidate for inclusion in the U.S. tree. It was designed and built specifically to counter the Russian T-54, the version of which we have is a bastard homologation of the very best stats for the model from its entire production run which lasted well into the Vietnam war era. In fact, the M60 was designed specifically to counter the new Russian gun on the T-54 introduced in 1956.

Ajatcho #18 Posted Sep 12 2011 - 10:48

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well hoping for more prototype of American tanks :Smile_honoring:

this tank is to counter the tier 8 Soviet Premium tank :Smile_honoring:

Malexa #19 Posted Sep 12 2011 - 12:40

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Found a photo of this thing T54, says "Heavy Tank" on the sign though :). But I guess it's this tank.

It's from the right time period, Americans only get one Heavy tank line I don't see why they couldn't eventually add this tank to the game. There are a lot of tanks in game that didn't even have prototypes.

Gigaton #20 Posted Sep 12 2011 - 13:04

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View PostMalexa, on Sep 12 2011 - 12:40, said:

Found a photo of this thing T54, says "Heavy Tank" on the sign though :). But I guess it's this tank.

Yeah, that's T54E1. As for the 'heavy' designation, that's probably because the 105mm gun (US medium tanks of the period had 90mm guns).