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GradorGamer #1 Posted Aug 12 2018 - 22:36

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(I am specifically talking about a direct confrontation between these 2 tanks) Everyone knows that the bad guy has a low penetration ability for tier 10, but when I encounter a type 5 heavy it is practically impossible to confront the monster, even with gold, sometimes all my gold (I only have 8 because that's EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE) and I could not drill nor 3 shots even targeting the weak spots. I do not have any other Tier 10 heavy tanks other than Maus so I do not know if the Type 5 armor is nearly impenetrable and no weaknesses or if the Maus cannon is weak.

    Even though I hid my weak spots on the cover and correctly angled the Maus, Type 5 ALWAYS hurt me while I just heard the message "WE CAN NOT PENETRATE YOUR ARMOR!" And that's what I find most unfair in that tank, he has a super effective shield, a cannon in which you do not even have to aim at the weak spots because regardless of where you hit the shot, ALWAYS give a [edited]damage, that is, neither need to know to aim or position the Type 5, it's just do not expose the sides and shoot anywhere that is successful.

 

I took a test on this site: https://tanks.gg/tan...ybrid&cl=000001

and I just confirmed what I'm talking about here, it's almost impossible to penetrate a Type using a Maus, unless you hit it sideways, and we all know that it's impossible to flank a Type with a Maus that does not exceed 20km / h without dying in seconds.

 

And usually the strongest heavy tanks of the teams meet head-to-head in the matches, so the Maus had to have the ability to face equally, but tell me you have other heavy tier 10 tanks from other nations, nerf the Type 5 Heavy or buff the Maus cannon?

 

(by the way, this also happens with: Type 4 Heavy vs Maüschen, O-Ho vs. VK100.01P)


Edited by GradorGamer, Aug 13 2018 - 04:13.


CynicalDutchie #2 Posted Aug 12 2018 - 22:38

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Jap heavies need to have the HE guns removed. HE guns just need to be removed from the game in general.

The_Iron_Bullet #3 Posted Aug 12 2018 - 22:41

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When Type 5 snap-shots better than a T62-a.

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At least maus doesn't get one shotted by a type 5 like tier 10 lights.

CynicalDutchie #5 Posted Aug 12 2018 - 22:56

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View PostRC_1140, on Aug 12 2018 - 22:43, said:

At least maus doesn't get one shotted by a type 5 like tier 10 lights.

 

I'd rather get one-shotted honestly, at least then the bull**** is over quickly instead of getting my health removed 600 HP at a time in a super heavy by some downie that doesn't even need to aim and being completely defenseless against it.

 

And before some idiot mentions it, hiding behind solid cover and not getting hit is not a valid option.



MCBAIN4EVER #6 Posted Aug 12 2018 - 22:59

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Neither.

Captain_Obvious65 #7 Posted Aug 12 2018 - 23:00

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View PostCynicalDutchie, on Aug 12 2018 - 16:38, said:

Jap heavies need to have the HE guns removed. HE guns just need to be removed from the game in general.

 

No. That is the KV-2's bread and butter.

CynicalDutchie #8 Posted Aug 12 2018 - 23:03

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View PostCaptain_Obvious65, on Aug 12 2018 - 23:00, said:

 

No. That is the KV-2's bread and butter.

 

 

Remove it, tank is pointless anyway and it relies on a broken mechanic. T6 would be a better place without it.



JennaBugLovesYou #9 Posted Aug 12 2018 - 23:09

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View PostMCBAIN4EVER, on Aug 12 2018 - 13:59, said:

Neither.

 

Agreed.

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View PostGradorGamer, on Aug 12 2018 - 22:36, said:

(I am specifically talking about a direct confrontation between these 2 tanks) Everyone knows that the bad guy has a low penetration ability for tier 10, but when I encounter a type 5 heavy it is practically impossible to confront the monster, even with gold, sometimes all my gold (I only have 8 because that's EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE) and I could not drill nor 3 shots even targeting the weak spots. I do not have any other Tier 10 heavy tanks other than Maus so I do not know if the Type 5 armor is nearly impenetrable and no weaknesses or if the Maus cannon is weak.

    Even though I hid my weak spots on the cover and correctly angled the Maus, Type 5 ALWAYS hurt me while I just heard the message "WE CAN NOT PENETRATE OUR ARMOR!" And that's what I find most unfair in that tank, he has a super effective shield, a cannon in which you do not even have to aim at the weak spots because regardless of where you hit the shot, ALWAYS give a [edited]damage, that is, neither need to know to aim or position the Type 5, it's just do not expose the sides and shoot anywhere that is successful.

 

I took a test on this site: https://tanks.gg/tan...ybrid&cl=000001

and I just confirmed what I'm talking about here, it's almost impossible to penetrate a Type using a Maus, unless you hit it sideways, and we all know that it's impossible to flank a Type with a Maus that does not exceed 20km / h without dying in seconds.

 

And usually the strongest heavy tanks of the teams meet head-to-head in the matches, so the Maus had to have the ability to face equally, but tell me you have other heavy tier 10 tanks from other nations, nerf the Type 5 Heavy or buff the Maus cannon?

 

(by the way, this also happens with: Type 4 Heavy vs Maüschen, O-Ho vs. VK100.01P)

You know that a lot of other tier 10’s can’t pen the Maus frontally if hull down without using gold maybe maus needs a nerf too... because you know since your tank doesn’t play to what you like I want my E5 to pen the maus armor too. Oh and even my defender..... 



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I want reliable accuracy on my STB 1

GradorGamer #12 Posted Aug 13 2018 - 03:50

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View PostCaptain_Obvious65, on Aug 12 2018 - 23:00, said:

 

No. That is the KV-2's bread and butter.

 

KV-2 does not have an impenetrable armoor like that of the Japanese heavyweights, so it's still fairer, because at least we can do damage to it easily

GradorGamer #13 Posted Aug 13 2018 - 03:54

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View PostFrostblitz20, on Aug 12 2018 - 23:32, said:

You know that a lot of other tier 10’s can’t pen the Maus frontally if hull down without using gold maybe maus needs a nerf too... because you know since your tank doesn’t play to what you like I want my E5 to pen the maus armor too. Oh and even my defender..... 

 

the Maus has a large weak point well in the front, the sides of the tower can be drilled by any Tier 10 heavy tank, it is only 260mm, compared to other heavy level tanks, this is very little, many tanks have a penetration superior to that using standard ammunition. The Type 5 has practically no weak points, there are some very small ones and even then it has a very thick armor, like the commando's dome, but using Maus, more than half the time I can not pierce these points even by firing close and with Type fully standing in front of me (I've tested this in a training battle several times)

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View PostRC_1140, on Aug 12 2018 - 22:43, said:

At least maus doesn't get one shotted by a type 5 like tier 10 lights.

 

One more reason to be nerf, Type 5 is a problem for all types of tanks

GradorGamer #15 Posted Aug 13 2018 - 04:19

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The Japanese heavyweights are basically super shielded AAP's that can shoot your face 1100 damage well without taking damage.

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View PostGradorGamer, on Aug 13 2018 - 03:54, said:

 

the Maus has a large weak point well in the front, the sides of the tower can be drilled by any Tier 10 heavy tank, it is only 260mm, compared to other heavy level tanks, this is very little, many tanks have a penetration superior to that using standard ammunition. The Type 5 has practically no weak points, there are some very small ones and even then it has a very thick armor, like the commando's dome, but using Maus, more than half the time I can not pierce these points even by firing close and with Type fully standing in front of me (I've tested this in a training battle several times)

On tanks gg using a maus ap ammo you have roughly a 55% chance frontally to pen 3 areas one being the coupla...

 

also most oat at least green+ players are smart enough to turn the maus turret to make it a auto bounce for most shells from tanks. If you think you shouldn’t have to do this then try fighting about how the T110E5 shouldn’t have to rock back and forth to hope a shell will miss it’s god awful tumor... 

 

there are way worse off heavys that needs more attention first then maus and type 5 before rebalance should occur like Is4/e100/E5/French heavy/panzer7



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View PostKlunk73, on Aug 13 2018 - 00:15, said:

I want reliable accuracy on my STB 1

 

Better off asking for the STB to get Siege mode then.

 

http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/578521-%e2%98%bc-suggestion-my-big-list-of-suggestions-%e2%98%bc-updated-813/

View Post_Gungrave_, on May 19 2018 - 20:25, said:

STB-1 - Suggested by Frostblitz20 - Historically this tank used the same variable suspension system that is on the Strv-1, UDES, Strv-1030, and Strv-103B. In its current state the STB-1 doesn't really offer anything seriously unique among tier 10 mediums other than being a backup tank to play in CW. Giving it a siege mode like suspension would increase its versatility which could make it popular again and probably make WG some easy money. Its better to speak to WG's wallet when suggesting tier 10 changes :coin:. Balance wise I don't see this being an issue because its risky to use it in more open areas. Lets also not forget that you're basically screwed if you get rushed because by the time you disengage siege mode your enemy is already popping rounds off into your rear and circling you. Lastly as we all know the STB-1's gun handling isn't suited for long range engagements so I think siege mode sniping would be a non issue.



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View Post_Gungrave_, on Aug 13 2018 - 07:05, said:

 

Siege mode on a fast tier 10 med would completely ruin the tank, if it works the same way as the Strv siege mode.

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View PostGang_Starr, on Aug 13 2018 - 13:16, said:

 

Siege mode on a fast tier 10 med would completely ruin the tank, if it works the same way as the Strv siege mode.

Not really.... improved aim dpm and let it work ridges better don’t see how it will ruin it could just keep its mobility stats the same and throw in seige mode that ups the rate of fire by knocking off like 0.4-0.6 reload time and up the gun accuracy by a small % but make it go slow while in seige mode 


Edited by Frostblitz20, Aug 13 2018 - 15:15.


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View PostFrostblitz20, on Aug 13 2018 - 08:57, said:

Not really.... improved aim dpm and let it work ridges better don’t see how it will ruin it could just keep its mobility stats the same and throw in seige mode that ups the rate of fire by knocking off like 0.4-0.6 reload time and up the gun accuracy by a small % but make it go slow while in seige mode 

 

Exactly, the "make it go slow while in siege mode" and of course waiting 2 seconds each time you want to switch between siege/unsiege would defeat the entire purpose of a medium tank being a medium. 





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