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Poll: Barrel Marks (163 members have cast votes)

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Whats your highest barrel mark?

  1. 1 (26 votes [15.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.76%

  2. 2 (67 votes [40.61%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.61%

  3. 3 (72 votes [43.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 43.64%

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NeatoMan #41 Posted Aug 27 2018 - 16:13

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Not really.

 

I think you answered your own question.  You and your friend are probably equally competent at winning battles, and have the same win rate as me.  I am like your friend in that I also don't have any 3-marked tanks, and only six 2-marked tanks.   All of my other regularly played tanks are one marked.

 

Basically 3-marking a tank requires a conscious effort to farm extra damage for a couple of weeks.   Once a game is won, I really don't care how much more damage I get in.  I just want to get the game over asap.  I'll sit on cap if it gets the game over faster.  Marking just doesn't appeal to me enough to chase them.



iAmEbola #42 Posted Aug 27 2018 - 16:22

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View PostTrauglodyte, on Aug 27 2018 - 08:45, said:

I would say that getting the gun mark takes some skill but maintaining the gun mark is where the skill actually lies.  If you can maintain a 2-mark or a 3-mark, you cannot deny your skill in that tank, versus the rest of the community.  

 

Uh, do you even MoE, bro?

 

Once you break the % value for the mark, you don't lose said mark by going under that %.  Once you get the 2 or 3, you can't go back down.  



Guido1212 #43 Posted Aug 27 2018 - 16:23

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Of course it shows skill, just like a high WR and high Wn8 and high PR etc.  We can argue the relative merits of those things, and discuss the whole player idea, but three marking tanks is not “easy” in game terms.  It takes game skill to do so.

The amount of mental gymnastics that goes on in these discussions is amazing.

LeaveIT2Beaver #44 Posted Aug 27 2018 - 16:26

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No one thinks anything means anything in this game unless they do it then it's awesome

the_dude_76 #45 Posted Aug 27 2018 - 16:31

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View PostiAmEbola, on Aug 27 2018 - 09:22, said:

 

Uh, do you even MoE, bro?

 

Once you break the % value for the mark, you don't lose said mark by going under that %.  Once you get the 2 or 3, you can't go back down.  

 

You never lose the mark but your % can decrease. That's his point, someone who can maintain that 95% is better than someone who gets the mark but then falls back below the threshold.

iAmEbola #46 Posted Aug 27 2018 - 16:31

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View PostGuido1212, on Aug 27 2018 - 09:23, said:

Of course it shows skill, just like a high WR and high Wn8 and high PR etc. We can argue the relative merits of those things, and discuss the whole player idea, but three marking tanks is not “easy” in game terms. It takes game skill to do so.

The amount of mental gymnastics that goes on in these discussions is amazing.

 

Yeah...I agree with this.  3 marking for the decent to very good players isn't easy.  However, I've heard unicums claim it was "too easy" and wanted a 4th MoE to recognize their 100% awesomeness.

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View PostLeaveIT2Beaver, on Aug 27 2018 - 15:26, said:

No one thinks anything means anything in this game unless they do it then it's awesome

Lol, the truth will set you free.



iAmEbola #48 Posted Aug 27 2018 - 16:32

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View Postthe_dude_76, on Aug 27 2018 - 09:31, said:

You never lose the mark but your % can decrease. That's his point, someone who can maintain that 95% is better than someone who gets the mark but then falls back below the threshold.

 

If that is indeed his point, then yes...that shows great consistency.  By his wording however, it seemed that he was making the claim that marks could be lost.  My apologies.



NeatoMan #49 Posted Aug 27 2018 - 16:49

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View PostGuido1212, on Aug 27 2018 - 10:23, said:

Of course it shows skill, just like a high WR and high Wn8 and high PR etc. We can argue the relative merits of those things, and discuss the whole player idea, but three marking tanks is not “easy” in game terms. It takes game skill to do so.

The amount of mental gymnastics that goes on in these discussions is amazing.

 

but relative to WR, etc, it is probably least reliable indicator of skill.  Just look at the OP; 3-marked 52.6% win rate on his AMX, and 54.1% on his vk1602.   Do you really think he is better than any other 53%er who isn't 3-marked?



Trauglodyte #50 Posted Aug 27 2018 - 17:37

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View PostiAmEbola, on Aug 27 2018 - 16:22, said:

 

Uh, do you even MoE, bro?

 

Once you break the % value for the mark, you don't lose said mark by going under that %.  Once you get the 2 or 3, you can't go back down.  

 

I'm aware that you don't lose marks.  I almost, ALMOST, got my first 3rd mark last week and then I got "balanced".  What I'm saying is that maintaining the specific threshholds is what shows skill.  In other words, while you never lose your 3rd mark, maintaining a 95% or higher for the lifetime of your tank shows that you're damned good in that tank.

 

Perhaps, I explained my point poorly.



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View PostNeatoMan, on Aug 27 2018 - 16:49, said:

 

but relative to WR, etc, it is probably least reliable indicator of skill.  Just look at the OP; 3-marked 52.6% win rate on his AMX, and 54.1% on his vk1602.   Do you really think he is better than any other 53%er who isn't 3-marked?

 

Exactly my point! lol

Messerschmitt_Masser #52 Posted Aug 27 2018 - 17:55

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View PostTrauglodyte, on Aug 27 2018 - 15:45, said:

 

I would say that getting the gun mark takes some skill but maintaining the gun mark is where the skill actually lies.  If you can maintain a 2-mark or a 3-mark, you cannot deny your skill in that tank, versus the rest of the community.  After all, it is more than just damage.  It is spotting, tracking, etc.  In the end, I'd wager that it should be a combination of win rate, wn8, and MOE.  It is a sad thing that there isn't an in-game metric that quantifies all of that.  Wake up WG!!!

 

 

For the life of me, I don't know how you 3 mark artillery.  I've got 1 mark on a few but it is such BS.  I've got the entire German SPG tree unlocked and I just grit my teeth when I'm in my GW Panther because the people in tier 7 games are freaking potatoes that probably got headaches booting up their computers.  Doing tier 6 damage against tier 9 tanks is also a nightmare.  HATE the GW Panther but I'll make it up when I got back to my Hummel.  She's my baby!

"maintain" the marks? I thought they remain there even if you become a tomato in the tank


Edited by Messerschmitt_Masser, Aug 27 2018 - 17:56.


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View PostMesserschmitt_Masser, on Aug 27 2018 - 17:55, said:

"maintain" the marks? I thought they remain there even if you become a tomato in the tank

 

He's saying maintain that level of assistance and damage even though others are still playing it and raising the bar. The marks will always remain.

Trauglodyte #54 Posted Aug 27 2018 - 18:17

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View PostNorse_Knight, on Aug 27 2018 - 18:09, said:

 

He's saying maintain that level of assistance and damage even though others are still playing it and raising the bar. The marks will always remain.

 

Thank you!  I thought that I wrote that pretty clearly but, I'm also hopped up on sinus med so who knows what gibberish I'm putting out there.



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View PostTrauglodyte, on Aug 27 2018 - 18:17, said:

 

Thank you!  I thought that I wrote that pretty clearly but, I'm also hopped up on sinus med so who knows what gibberish I'm putting out there.

 

lol most of us got it the first time, some of us just didn't I guess...

iAmEbola #56 Posted Aug 27 2018 - 18:24

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View PostTrauglodyte, on Aug 27 2018 - 10:37, said:

I'm aware that you don't lose marks.  I almost, ALMOST, got my first 3rd mark last week and then I got "balanced".  What I'm saying is that maintaining the specific threshholds is what shows skill.  In other words, while you never lose your 3rd mark, maintaining a 95% or higher for the lifetime of your tank shows that you're damned good in that tank.

 

Perhaps, I explained my point poorly.

 

You may be hopped up on sinus meds, but I read it without my proper recommended dosage of caffeine...once it was pointed out what you meant, i was like...oh, duh.  My apologies if I sounds like I was being condescending.



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It is dependent upon tank. If there is a mark on the barrel you can probably assume they know how to play that tank. Now they might not play to the strengths of the tank in a particular battle due to a mission, ie needing spotting damage, or some other thing.

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View PostNeatoMan, on Aug 27 2018 - 15:49, said:

 

but relative to WR, etc, it is probably least reliable indicator of skill.  Just look at the OP; 3-marked 52.6% win rate on his AMX, and 54.1% on his vk1602.   Do you really think he is better than any other 53%er who isn't 3-marked?

For some period in that tank he was.  It’s a mark of capability in the past.  Like any stat it’s an indicator of what’s probable.  I understand what you’re saying but it’s part of the equation and when understood as such it’s as reliable in its place as anything.



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Don't try for them just mark some on accident.

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View PostiAmEbola, on Aug 27 2018 - 11:24, said:

 

You may be hopped up on sinus meds, but I read it without my proper recommended dosage of caffeine...once it was pointed out what you meant, i was like...oh, duh.  My apologies if I sounds like I was being condescending.

 

Can you two take the apologies and sincerity elsewhere?  This is the WoT forums, after all...





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