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CapPhrases #1 Posted Sep 07 2018 - 17:44

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I have the VK 36.01H and a Tiger (P), my question is that my VK crew is only about 80% trained and the only thing left to research off of it is the Tiger 1. However I do have 26K experience on the Tiger (P) and could side research it there and get the VK elited faster to increase the crews training.

 

so would I be better off doing that or saving the xp and trying to unlock the VK 100 as fast as possible?



MMI_SPI #2 Posted Sep 07 2018 - 18:19

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If you prefer playing the Tiger P, then go for it. Its only a question of which tanks suits you better, and how MM is treating you in that tank.

 

In current 3/5/7 MM, It seems that tier7 is slightly better then tier6, having a little more luck getting into +1 or same tier MM. And how is your Tiger P crew? Does it have 1 full skill? 2? Having an 80% crew is expected at tier3... But at tier6, its a little underperforming. My advice is to wait for Tiger131 to be back in the shop, and get the free-BIA it comes with. Around 20$ and you get a really huge boost in crew training.



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View PostMMI_SPI, on Sep 07 2018 - 12:19, said:

If you prefer playing the Tiger P, then go for it. Its only a question of which tanks suits you better, and how MM is treating you in that tank.

 

In current 3/5/7 MM, It seems that tier7 is slightly better then tier6, having a little more luck getting into +1 or same tier MM. And how is your Tiger P crew? Does it have 1 full skill? 2? Having an 80% crew is expected at tier3... But at tier6, its a little underperforming. My advice is to wait for Tiger131 to be back in the shop, and get the free-BIA it comes with. Around 20$ and you get a really huge boost in crew training.

 

well the Tiger P crew is at around 60% first skill and yeah it seems the mm treats it better these days with me getting matches where the flat 200mm hull armor can actually be good. even had a couple 2K damage games with it recently :)

 

still I would enjoy a German heavy prem but not so sure about spending money on the game these days. might just be how I feel if/when it comes back in the shop. if it still comes with BIA I'd probably put them in the Tiger P and move that crew to the VK.



Ta_Hun_Kwai #4 Posted Sep 07 2018 - 20:10

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View PostCapPhrases, on Sep 07 2018 - 08:44, said:

I have the VK 36.01H and a Tiger (P), my question is that my VK crew is only about 80% trained and the only thing left to research off of it is the Tiger 1. However I do have 26K experience on the Tiger (P) and could side research it there and get the VK elited faster to increase the crews training. so would I be better off doing that or saving the xp and trying to unlock the VK 100 as fast as possible?

​use what ever tank you fell best at once you get the tiger I unlocked your two tanks should be elite



FrozenKemp #5 Posted Sep 07 2018 - 21:05

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The only reason I'd hesitate to research it from the Tiger P is if I wanted to keep the crew in a lower tier vehicle for longer before advancing them to tier 7 - assuming you plan to move the 3601 crew to the Tiger.


But as MMI_SPI said, tier 7 tends to get treated a bit better by the matchmaker. 



CapPhrases #6 Posted Sep 07 2018 - 21:25

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View PostFrozenKemp, on Sep 07 2018 - 15:05, said:

The only reason I'd hesitate to research it from the Tiger P is if I wanted to keep the crew in a lower tier vehicle for longer before advancing them to tier 7 - assuming you plan to move the 3601 crew to the Tiger.


But as MMI_SPI said, tier 7 tends to get treated a bit better by the matchmaker. 

 

I'd keep them in the VK until they'd gotten at least 70% on the first skill and then probably move them to the Tiger.

FrozenKemp #7 Posted Sep 08 2018 - 01:48

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That seems pretty sensible, Cap.


It occurs to me that knowing that lets us put some numbers to things.  I'm downloading a game via Steam right now so let me see what I can do.

 

I am not sure how to exactly calculate how much XP you would need to get from 0 to 70% in your first skill, but the Crew page http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Crew tells us a couple of things:  

 

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Major Qualification from 0% to 100% requires a total of 105,030 XP.
1st Skill or Perk from 0% to 100% requires a total of 210,060 XP.

 

Now, I'm REALLY just eyeballing things here

 

In the second graph there, it looks like going from 80% to 100% in your crew's main skill will take about half of the total from 0 to 100.

And then 70% in the 1st skill is sorta around 30% of the total XP to finish the 1st skill.  

 

That gives us a total of about 105k XP * 0.5 + 210k XP * 0.3 = 115.5k XP.  That's what each of your crew members needs.

 

The 3601h has 5 crew, so accelerated crew training effectively increases the crew training speed by basically 20% - one crew member out of 5.  However when you get a x2 win, if your base xp is 500 for the battle and it's x2 for 1000, then all your crew get 1000 and the crew member with the bonus gets 1500, not 2000.   Let's suppose you don't get your x2 every battle and use a bonus % for crew training of 15%.

 

So now each crew member needs to earn 115.5 / 1.15 = 100k XP.  You save 15k XP of grinding if you have the bonus. 


From tanks.gg it will take 25k XP on the Tiger P to unlock the Tiger.

 

So... if those are sorta kinda correct numbers you can make a judgement call about whether you would rather spend the time to get 25x XP on the P in order to speed up your 3601 grind, which of course would give your P crew more XP, or just grind it all on the 3601.


Cheers!


Edited by FrozenKemp, Sep 08 2018 - 01:49.


FrozenKemp #8 Posted Sep 08 2018 - 01:52

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Ugh.  I realize that I have left out the effect of grinding on the 3601 BEFORE the Tiger is unlocked, without the bonus.  Blargh.  

CapPhrases #9 Posted Sep 08 2018 - 16:47

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thanks for the help Frozen!

think I might go ahead and research the Tiger 1 from the (P) then, it helps that I'm getting some better games with the Tiger (P)otato these days.






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