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Ericmopar #1 Posted Sep 16 2018 - 08:09

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I was wondering if this is camping. According to someone in the chat, we're all camping noobs etc.

 

http://wotreplays.eu...-ericmopar-kv-1

 

 

 

 



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Camping? You where the players hide themselves in a strategic spot for a very long time, thereby killing opponents and grabbing a tactical edge. The spot a camper chooses is usually hidden from casual view and perhaps partially or fully secured by an object. The campers then make use of this spot to ambush or perform sniper attacks on opponents but of course your friend was using the term incorrectly.

 

Do not worry about anything in match anyone in this game barks out. Typically they are dead and played poorly. As in game and with their life they can not or wont take responsibility for their poor choices so they must blame someone else.



scHnuuudle_bop #3 Posted Sep 16 2018 - 08:23

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There is a divide and a difference of opinions and definition of camping in a game.

 

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In video gamingcamping is a controversial tactic where a player obtains a static strategic position of advantage. This behavior manifests in different ways depending on the type of game (online text adventure, graphical MMO, first-person shooter, etc.), but invariably involves a player waiting in one location for the game (or other players of the game) to do something which they can take advantage of, 

 

Camping in first-person shooters[edit]

Camping often provides a clear field of view over a choke point or position of tactical interest whilst retaining cover for the camper. This tactic allows one player to easily pick off any opponent that comes into sight without giving them any indicator of his/her presence in the area. It differs from holding a strategic position by its requisite static nature and intensive cover. More experienced players are sometimes "semimobile campers/snipers" that leave boobytraps and relocate after 1-3 kills to prevent retaliation.

It often proves frustrating, particularly to newer players, as it rewards those who invest a considerable amount of time in the game (which allows them to know the layout of the maps and the best defensive positions); as well as those with accurate aim.

 

It is most common in first-person shooters when a player hides in a single location which serves as a tactical advantage over the opposing player(s) for long periods of time. The position chosen is normally secluded from casual view and maybe partially secured at least on one side by any object. The location is then used to create an ambush. The period of time a camping player spends in the specific location may vary as the player reacts to game conditions. 

 

Spawn camping[edit]

Spawn camping involves camping or guarding the position of the own spawn on the map. Although usually not expressly against the rules, spawn camping is frequently considered poor sportsmanship and some servers will officially enforce a "no-spawn-camping" rule. In some cases however, it is unavoidable and players simply have to adapt their strategy to survive the spawn campers. Exceptions may include pursuing a player who is carrying a critical objective into their own spawn for support, as may occur during Capture the Flag games.

 

 

There was a bunch on the east side, that "camped" at the back, took advantage of their position and eventually moved up. The rest of your team, yolo'ed up and destroyed them.

 

There are 2 types of camping, the good kind, where a player has a position of advantage, good cover, hiding spot, able to fight with smaller risks. They use that position to either hold up the enemy or to damage and kill them. The camper stays until forced , or decides to move.

 

And there is the bad camper, sits in spawn and waits til the end of the game to move.

 

Your team kicked butt, with some great camping and the other side great pushing.

 

The crusader SP, was cranky, he went up to far, with no support, got killed and blamed anyone but himself.


Edited by scHnuuudle_bop, Sep 16 2018 - 08:26.


NeatoMan #4 Posted Sep 16 2018 - 13:20

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View PostscHnuuudle_bop, on Sep 16 2018 - 02:23, said:

And there is the bad camper, sits in spawn and waits til the end of the game to move.

This is how it's typically viewed in WOT.   Players coming from other games keep trying to use other definitions to justify their performance, but in the end camping in WoT has always had negative connotations.

 

As far as the replay, maybe not camping, BUT it was extremely timid play.  That game should have easily been over much sooner.  Timid play like that is the reason why many games that should have been won turn into losses or draws.



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Your team was very passive during the cleanup phase at the end but nearly everyone was a 1 shot to them so it was understandable.  The issue was that when the reds were getting lit, none of you were in good positions to take shots. 

 

I'm guessing you either weren't playing when Pilsen was in the game or have forgotten it's layout.  You wasted nearly half of your gold rounds attempting to shoot through 50-meter thick buildings.  

 

 



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View PostEricmopar, on Sep 16 2018 - 08:09, said:

I was wondering if this is camping. According to someone in the chat, we're all camping noobs etc.

 

http://wotreplays.eu...-ericmopar-kv-1

 

 

 

 

 

ur lucky the other team was more noob then your team, you would have lost against an average team.

 

as for the individual that said you were not camping, they are either a noob or an idiot.

 

yes you were camping.  if ya gonna play like that, play a td not a heavy tank.

 

instead of pushing into building and helping your team mates by putting pressure on enemy from other side, you sat at back of that building looking for long distance shots for a long time.  then you went into building and still played a sniper role.

 

in most cases except with noob teams, the team that takes those buildings in force on west side wins.

 

I would say in your case, i didnt watch end but if ya won, ur team won inspite of you.  you had an inactive gun for most of game sitting and hiding at corners of that building for a long time.

 

you got bad vision as a heavy so if there was a td sitting there you would have got spotted and shot before you would have saw the td.



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Not camping but careful. Not enough HP to get too bold. But you at least poked out to draw fire and survived it. You should try to poke out using a sidescrape if you can leaving only tracks and auto-bounce angles when you do. Any decent hit by the M36 and you are toast, but even with APCR he can't pen your side if angled correctly. Then you can get a spot perhaps and someone gets to kill him.

 

And as pointed out above a few too many shots at inpenetrable walls and buildings. Have to give that a try at times just to see, but wasting premium rounds is the worse way to find out.



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lol he sat a the corners of the building on pilsen for half the game looking for trash damage in a kv1.  he should have moved into the building long before that especially when he saw his team mates pushing in the middle to flank the enemy to put presssure from his side.

 

he played the game like a td rather than a heavy tank.



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View PostThe_Ice_Cream_Man_, on Sep 16 2018 - 10:06, said:

lol he sat a the corners of the building on pilsen for half the game looking for trash damage in a kv1.  he should have moved into the building long before that especially when he saw his team mates pushing in the middle to flank the enemy to put presssure from his side.

 

he played the game like a td rather than a heavy tank.

 

Mind you he was low tiered and has 995 battles, so not too bad really

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View PostEricmopar, on Sep 16 2018 - 02:09, said:

I was wondering if this is camping. According to someone in the chat, we're all camping noobs etc.

There is no single, commonly accepted meaning of "camping", people use it all different ways. It's a meaningless word that people throw around trying to manipulate other people to do what they want.

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Sitting where you have no hope of interacting with the opposing team is what I consider camping. Overlooking a funnel to gain the upper hand or sitting on a known path on a particular map is not camping in my books. Tanks sitting at base behind a rock or building or lights sitting behind arty I would say are camping. A light or med passively scouting and waiting to pounce is NOT camping and they should be left alone to do their thing. 

 

Being the "game police" and TKing a team member because you are in arty and can get away with it? Really sad.


Edited by LeaveIT2Beaver, Sep 16 2018 - 15:32.


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View PostNeatoMan, on Sep 16 2018 - 13:20, said:

This is how it's typically viewed in WOT.   Players coming from other games keep trying to use other definitions to justify their performance, but in the end camping in WoT has always had negative connotations.

 

As far as the replay, maybe not camping, BUT it was extremely timid play.  That game should have easily been over much sooner.  Timid play like that is the reason why many games that should have been won turn into losses or draws.

 

See, here is the difference in the definition. 

There is camping and spawn camping. In every single game I have played this has been debated again and again.

 

Camping is a GOOD thing, when done properly. A TD, finds a spot, where he/she can control an avenue, from cover, able to shoot without being spotted. Holds up enemy advance, and stays for a while is a camper. He/she has set up a tent, and is helping the team.

A T29,, behind a rock, bouncing shots off its turret, damaging its enemy, is camping.

 

A hellcat, who moves 3 tanks lengths on El Halluf to look over the valley, is camping. Here is where it gets difficult. If this player is one of 5 doing the same thing, and there is nothing (or a single enemy) to shoot at in or across the valley, he/she is an idiot spawn camper. If there is activity and someone actually spotting for them, they are good campers. It is not the position, ,it is the functionality of the position.

 

 


Edited by scHnuuudle_bop, Sep 16 2018 - 21:10.


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If you're not shooting, moving to a place to get shots, facilitating shots for your teammates or holding reds in a useless position by your presence, you're camping.  

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View PostscHnuuudle_bop, on Sep 16 2018 - 15:09, said:

See, here is the difference in the definition. 

There is camping and spawn camping. In every single game I have played this has been debated again and again.

 

Camping is a GOOD thing, when done properly. A TD, finds a spot, where he/she can control an avenue, from cover, able to shoot without being spotted. Holds up enemy advance, and stays for a while is a camper. He/she has set up a tent, and is helping the team.

A T29,, behind a rock, bouncing shots off its turret, damaging its enemy, is camping.

 

A hellcat, who moves 3 tanks lengths on El Halluf to look over the valley, is camping. Here is where it gets difficult. If this player is one of 5 doing the same thing, and there is nothing (or a single enemy) to shoot at in or across the valley, he/she is an idiot spawn camper. If there is activity and someone actually spotting for them, they are good campers. It is not the position, ,it is the functionality of the position.

camping in WoT is never a good thing... period.   Nobody gives a rat's [edited]what they call it in other games.  In WoT camping always has had negative connotations associated with it.    If there is nobody to shoot at and you don't move from your position while everyone else is fighting elsewhere on the map, you are camping.    The problem with trying to justify some camping as "good" is that many people will see that and think their version of camping is the good kind, even when it isn't.  Don't confuse people...   camping = bad   ...end of story



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View PostNeatoMan, on Sep 16 2018 - 23:22, said:

camping in WoT is never a good thing... period.   Nobody gives a rat's [edited]what they call it in other games.  In WoT camping always has had negative connotations associated with it.    If there is nobody to shoot at and you don't move from your position while everyone else is fighting elsewhere on the map, you are camping.    The problem with trying to justify some camping as "good" is that many people will see that and think their version of camping is the good kind, even when it isn't.  Don't confuse people...   camping = bad   ...end of story

 

wow, did not mean to upset you.

 

The term is misused and has 2 different definitions. 

I will not dwell on it, but the developers of this game, use the first definition. A camper, sits in a hidden or shielded position to spot, shoot and harass the enemy. If a player sits in the same spot for an extended period of time, he is camping. 

 

Camping is neither bad nor good, it is what the player does while parked. A player parked with no useful purpose, such as at spawn, is a bad camper.

 

A TD, camping in a bush, who is way behind the front line, but is causing damage, is a good camper.

 

Camping is just a term, with multiple definitions. There are good campers and bad campers.

How many games have you seen with kids ranting about a "camper", who ends up being the most effective player in that battle,  they chose not to expose themselves, because of their well selected "camping spot". Was that player a good or bad camper? Seems to really depend on rage level, more than  a game style or word definition.


Edited by scHnuuudle_bop, Sep 16 2018 - 23:40.


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Best to disable chat and bypass this kind of noise.

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View PostscHnuuudle_bop, on Sep 16 2018 - 17:39, said:

Camping is neither bad nor good, it is what the player does while parked. A player parked with no useful purpose, such as at spawn, is a bad camper.

Players need to be encouraged to become more actively involved rather than find another spot to sit and hide. 

 

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How many games have you seen with kids ranting about a "camper", who ends up being the most effective player in that battle,  they chose not to expose themselves, because of their well selected "camping spot". Was that player a good or bad camper? Seems to really depend on rage level, more than  a game style or word definition.

 Hardly ever do I see campers being the most effective player in battle.  Only in the lowest tiers can anyone camp effectively, and that's only because newbs throw themselves at you one by one, and the dpm/hp is so high you can effectively pick them off one by one.   I see more games lost by players who failed to move, than are won by players who stay put.

 

Most players don't move because they probably fail miserably whenever they do.  They have no concept on how to use cover, or when and where not to move on the map.   So they choose the option with the least risk... camping.  That tactic also comes with the least rewards.



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A camper is an entity who cannot reliably shoot at the enemy till his allies are dead and/or overrun.

 

If you are not shooting, moving, or spotting you are camping.



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If you're not catching the marshmallows on fire, it's not camping... :great:

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View PostNeatoMan, on Sep 17 2018 - 00:37, said:

Players need to be encouraged to become more actively involved rather than find another spot to sit and hide. 

 

 Hardly ever do I see campers being the most effective player in battle.  Only in the lowest tiers can anyone camp effectively, and that's only because newbs throw themselves at you one by one, and the dpm/hp is so high you can effectively pick them off one by one.   I see more games lost by players who failed to move, than are won by players who stay put.

 

Most players don't move because they probably fail miserably whenever they do.  They have no concept on how to use cover, or when and where not to move on the map.   So they choose the option with the least risk... camping.  That tactic also comes with the least rewards.

 

I am not arguing that point at all, I hate the players who just sit and do nothing.

But...... there are plenty of players who move up, know the map, and know where they can "camp". That is pause or stop, to spot or shoot. If that pause is extended, to say 3 or 4 shots, they are "camping".

It is a good thing, they are contributing, just not moving. When the time comes, they know when to move, where and how to move, to their next camping spot. Where  they again use advantage of the shielding and or cover to abuse their enemies. This is the gaming definition of camping.

 

The definition of "Spawn Camping" is different, that is a bad tactic. 

 

Pretty well every battle, there is some child complaining about someone camping. More than 1/2 of their subjects are in a place where they can contribute to the game and not die. But the abuse still pours in, more often than not, because the person ranting got killed and is just angry because they died. Anyone not moving to help them is a bad nasty camper.







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