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iiNSaNiiTY #1 Posted Sep 18 2018 - 23:55

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https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2018/09/19/data-tier-x-performance-by-country-and-vehicle-type/

 

USSR > France > UK  > China > USA > Germany

 

In fact the majority of German tanks are in red, only the E-50 and the Maus have a good score and the E-100 is the worst Tier X tank in the game.



Treeburst #2 Posted Sep 19 2018 - 00:00

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Pepino1976 #3 Posted Sep 19 2018 - 00:04

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Hmm. That helps confirm my thoughts on the German lines I was going up. I stopped at Tier IX on a few and plan to only go to Tier IX on another. I think the four Tier IXs I have listed below are all good tanks.

 

Med - E 50

Heavy - E 75

TD - Jagdtiger

TD - Waffen auf Pz IV (don't have this yet. Still loving my RHM at tier VIII so getting a new crew ready for this. Could take a while)



Veracks #4 Posted Sep 19 2018 - 00:10

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View Postagtdetructor, on Sep 18 2018 - 17:55, said:

[Various stats that show Germany is awful, as everyone already knew]

 

You could instantaneously fix every German tank by simply giving them the Japanese Heavy treatment: LFP is a myth and it doesn't exist (aka just make it the same thickness as the UFP). That, and give the poor E50M an actual turret. Right now it's an all around inferior Obj430U.



Genzing #5 Posted Sep 19 2018 - 00:20

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Honestly... No surprise there, those Russian tanks just keep getting pumped out with other nations hardly receiving any new tanks or lines in fact *cough* Japanese TDs *cough*. A majority of them used to be great, power creep has definitely taken it's toll. Not just for Germany, but for other nations as well. Some being reduced to gathering dust because newer tanks just out right outclass them in nearly every way and some just reduced to cannon fodder and free damage.

BlackFive #6 Posted Sep 19 2018 - 00:22

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Go away 2011 news ... You had your chance 

YANKEE137 #7 Posted Sep 19 2018 - 00:35

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Russian Bias touched my bum.

Icon_Charlie #8 Posted Sep 19 2018 - 00:37

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View PostPepino1976, on Sep 18 2018 - 15:04, said:

Hmm. That helps confirm my thoughts on the German lines I was going up. I stopped at Tier IX on a few and plan to only go to Tier IX on another. I think the four Tier IXs I have listed below are all good tanks.

 

Med - E 50

Heavy - E 75

TD - Jagdtiger

TD - Waffen auf Pz IV (don't have this yet. Still loving my RHM at tier VIII so getting a new crew ready for this. Could take a while)

I agree with this except I consider the Rombie better that the Waffen Pz4 for this simple reason... Less repair costs.  I can make money on the Rombie with a standard account firing non gold ammo. It has an excellent cammo rating. I have the Pz4 and its okay.  You can have fun with it. But I prefer the Jagdtiger  over it.



dominator_98 #9 Posted Sep 19 2018 - 00:41

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View PostVeracks, on Sep 18 2018 - 17:10, said:

 

You could instantaneously fix every German tank by simply giving them the Japanese Heavy treatment: LFP is a myth and it doesn't exist (aka just make it the same thickness as the UFP). That, and give the poor E50M an actual turret. Right now it's an all around inferior Obj430U.

 

1. The last thing this game needs is more vehicles without frontal weakspots.

2. To be fair, almost every tank in the game is inferior to the 430U.



Kelly_Sereda #10 Posted Sep 19 2018 - 00:47

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After 300+ games in each the Maus and E100, they both sit nearly 5% higher than my overall average and equal at 54+% WR.  For reference, I also have the IS7 and Obj 277, both of which struggle to keep up to my average average and sit between 46-49%.  I personally can't attest to the reasons for this assuming bias is real, but I can say I think the E100 is largely misunderstood.


 

You can straight up bully with E100 it you get your LFP close-up so that the angle makes it tough to pen and if you keep both hull and turret angled +/- 45 degrees to incoming fire.  I do enjoy watching peoples turrets wiggle frantically looking for a green spot while anticipating the next 750 alpha kick in the balls.  All I can say is it works for me more often than it doesn't based on my stats.



The_Iron_Bullet #11 Posted Sep 19 2018 - 00:54

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How many games were played? By what level of skill player? If good players play the 430u and bad players play the E100, of course it will look like the russians are better

TishLover #12 Posted Sep 19 2018 - 01:01

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Aren't most of German tanks are from 40's and Russians (and other) are from 40(lower tier) to 70's?   :)

Kelly_Sereda #13 Posted Sep 19 2018 - 01:15

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View PostTishLover, on Sep 19 2018 - 01:01, said:

Aren't most of German tanks are from 40's and Russians (and other) are from 40(lower tier) to 70's?   :)

 

It's true.  I don't have a link, but I recall watching an interview with some of the devs talking about tank balance and they mentioned that very point.  With Germany out of tank production from 45-65 or so, a lot of stats and vehicles have simply had to be fudged for the sake of balance.  Aside from creating game modes that protected the time lines of various vehicles (in which case the Germans would be dominant), then Tigers facing 1970's tank destroyers will continue to crush expectations.  I kinda think it sux how Tiger's are underpowered snipers in WoT instead of front line breakthrough tanks, but then not much of the content under tier 8 is worth the time anyways.  I have a number of suggestions for how I think the situation could be fixed, but I don't imagine it will ever change in that regard.  *shrug*

Haruhi_Suzumiya_ #14 Posted Sep 19 2018 - 01:36

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Why am I not surprised, this is very old news yet people who do well in one or two tanks argue otherwise...Looking at you Kelly_Sereda

E-100 is definitely the worst Tier 10 that isn't premium, ahem FV215b 



GenErwinRommel #15 Posted Sep 19 2018 - 01:39

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wargaming said they made the russian tank tree for beginners

it turned out to be a lie

they lie just like there boy in the white house

in a game yet

they flooded the game with a bunch of russian tank that stunk in real life

why do they need so many tier 8-10 beginners tanks

isn't that tier 1 is for



PM_Loves_Hoarce #16 Posted Sep 19 2018 - 02:22

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Interesting graph, I thought the Type 5 would have definitely been way higher

 



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View PostTishLover, on Sep 19 2018 - 01:01, said:

Aren't most of German tanks are from 40's and Russians (and other) are from 40(lower tier) to 70's?   :)

 

^This

 

German tier 10 tanks are massive flat steel panels hastly put together, at best. Most of them are  nazi wet dreams with not even a half completed drawing and no resources to be built anyway, while most of soviet tanks are fully tested prototypes with more advanced technology and whole resources to be produced



UTurnTerminator #18 Posted Sep 19 2018 - 04:18

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Interesting that the Germans wouldn't do so well in a Russian game, made by Russian developers in Belarus. :teethhappy:

 

In all seriousness though, the Germans are in a tight spot since all those tanks are so old. Most of those tier X tanks have been in the game for the better part of the game's life span, and the number of newer/better "wonder" tanks they're going up against are simply better than they are. They're products of the game as it used to be, and I do hope they get a round of buffs in the nearish future.

 

Funny thing though, the Germans are in a tight spot there too, since they actually built most of their "wunderwaffe" and thus they're subject to a much higher level of "historical accuracy" than something like the Type 5 heavy. :rolleyes:


Edited by UTurnTerminator, Sep 19 2018 - 04:18.


Anlushac11 #19 Posted Sep 19 2018 - 06:34

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Sort of related to a comment above about Soviet premiums...

 

Whats in Supertest...

 

Soviet T-50-2

Soviet Object 432

Soviet IS-3A with 122mm auto loader with 221mm pen and 3 round magazine, 490 damage per shot.

Soviet Object 279e "balance" changes

 

Oh and KV-5 buffs



_P3Z_SNIPING_REAR_ARMOR_ #20 Posted Sep 19 2018 - 07:32

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The game was more fun when you didn't have to spam skill every game to pen the new non outperforming soviet magical tanks, Just waiting for the t72 release to dominate our Abrams/Leo's




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