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164thLeichteAfrikaDiv #21 Posted Sep 19 2018 - 12:25

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View PostTishLover, on Sep 19 2018 - 01:01, said:

Aren't most of German tanks are from 40's and Russians (and other) are from 40(lower tier) to 70's?   :)

 

Except the Leopard of course. Widely regarded as the best post war tank. So surely it must be near the top of the ratings? Ok guess not. It's not era that matters to WG. It's their fragile russian ego's that need stroking. 

Fractured_Raptor #22 Posted Sep 19 2018 - 12:52

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if I remember correctly the Russians had better tanks, but their crews were garbage. German tank crews were very experienced and whooped the Russians pretty bad despite having inferior tanks. Not that their tanks were bad in general. When compared to the Russian tanks they weren't quite as well designed. Last time we talked about that stuff was in High School. Doubt they even discuss old wars anymore. Much less wars not involving the US. 

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Looks like it's time to buff the Russian tanks and nerf the German ones.;)

THERE IS NO RUSSIAN BIAS IN THIS GAME!



Kelly_Sereda #24 Posted Sep 19 2018 - 17:17

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View PostHaruhi_Suzumiya_, on Sep 19 2018 - 01:36, said:

Why am I not surprised, this is very old news yet people who do well in one or two tanks argue otherwise...Looking at you Kelly_Sereda

E-100 is definitely the worst Tier 10 that isn't premium, ahem FV215b

 

 

I may be an outlier statistically, but I exist.  And don't kid yourself, I would be happier than anyone if they buffed it :great:


 

I only play pubs, so I will accept at face value if told that in a competitive environment the E-100 isn't up to snuff.  In pubs, I often see people leaving the turret face flat to incoming fire too long.  Since not many tanks require that you angle the turret between shots, I think a lot of folks don't realize how much of a difference it makes for this tank, among other things.


Edited by Kelly_Sereda, Sep 19 2018 - 17:18.


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View Postagtdetructor, on Sep 18 2018 - 17:55, said:

https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2018/09/19/data-tier-x-performance-by-country-and-vehicle-type/

 

USSR > France > UK  > China > USA > Germany

 

In fact the majority of German tanks are in red, only the E-50 and the Maus have a good score and the E-100 is the worst Tier X tank in the game.

 

i would like to say the e100 playing it spends more credits then if you dont play it

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View PostKelly_Sereda, on Sep 18 2018 - 17:47, said:

After 300+ games in each the Maus and E100, they both sit nearly 5% higher than my overall average and equal at 54+% WR.  For reference, I also have the IS7 and Obj 277, both of which struggle to keep up to my average average and sit between 46-49%.  I personally can't attest to the reasons for this assuming bias is real, but I can say I think the E100 is largely misunderstood.


 

You can straight up bully with E100 it you get your LFP close-up so that the angle makes it tough to pen and if you keep both hull and turret angled +/- 45 degrees to incoming fire.  I do enjoy watching peoples turrets wiggle frantically looking for a green spot while anticipating the next 750 alpha kick in the balls.  All I can say is it works for me more often than it doesn't based on my stats.

 

even angled most gold you face will butter that turret. Its what I do to enemy ones and what happens to mine every time I drive it. 

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View PostFractured_Raptor, on Sep 19 2018 - 12:52, said:

if I remember correctly the Russians had better tanks, but their crews were garbage. German tank crews were very experienced and whooped the Russians pretty bad despite having inferior tanks. Not that their tanks were bad in general. When compared to the Russian tanks they weren't quite as well designed. Last time we talked about that stuff was in High School. Doubt they even discuss old wars anymore. Much less wars not involving the US. 

 

I am pretty sure that the USSR's advantage in tanks for most of the war was numbers mostly, due to the greater industrial capacity than the 3rdR had.

 

The tank designs were fine starting with the T-34, but quality control was low, and the training was not as good, at least partly due to the USSR losing more tank crews, faster, than the Germans.

 

The "dependability" of the T-34 came from decent design and the fact that there were spare parts everywhere, due to significant T-34 losses.

 

The last part of the war was a different story.  USSR had made many gains, due to its vastly greater resources of materials and men, and they benefitted in several ways.


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View Postmaddogatc, on Sep 19 2018 - 11:07, said:

Looks like it's time to buff the Russian tanks and nerf the German ones.;)

THERE IS NO RUSSIAN BIAS IN THIS GAME!

 

The soviets did not have the top ranked HT.

 

So soviet tanks definitely need buffed. lol 



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View Post_Bagheera_, on Sep 19 2018 - 20:36, said:

 

even angled most gold you face will butter that turret. Its what I do to enemy ones and what happens to mine every time I drive it.

 

Gold has a tendency to have that effect on most things.  Angling the E100 turret to about 45 degrees gives a minimum effective armor thickness of around 300mm around the corner seam, increasing from there along the length and width.  Not perfect, but workable in my experience.


 

If I were able to have any impact on improving the situation, I'd suggest reworking the turret design instead of fiddling with the values.  Only WoT's interpretation of the E100 turret involves such a pronounced trapezoidal turret design.  Others have turret faces similar to later stage Tiger IIs or a Maus.  Let's give zee Germans the benefit of the doubt with lessons learned by the time E100 would have actually emerged and make the faceplate more effective.


 


 



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should actually have the Maus turret with the 128mm but eh...

 

Of all the tanks that should have gotten a frontal turret buff it should have been the e100, not the maus. 



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The Soviet Bloc single handedly won WWII and the French, British and Americans only contributed $100 each. The Russian tank tree deserves to be the best. 

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View PostHottieHotPants, on Sep 19 2018 - 16:13, said:

The Soviet Bloc single handedly won WWII and the French, British and Americans only contributed $100 each. The Russian tank tree deserves to be the best. 

 

Japan was beat before the soviets even entered the pacific theatre. 

 

So the soviets “single handedly won WWII?” 



HottieHotPants #33 Posted Sep 19 2018 - 22:59

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View PostFlarvin, on Sep 19 2018 - 15:47, said:

 

Japan was beat before the soviets even entered the pacific theatre. 

 

So the soviets “single handedly won WWII?” 

 

Seriously dude, get a life 



Flarvin #34 Posted Sep 19 2018 - 23:02

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View PostHottieHotPants, on Sep 19 2018 - 16:59, said:

 

Seriously dude, get a life 

 

Been looking, you know a good place to get one? 



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View PostFlarvin, on Sep 19 2018 - 15:47, said:

 

Japan was beat before the soviets even entered the pacific theatre. 

 

So the soviets “single handedly won WWII?” 

Is easy comrade.   The simple threat of Soviet power being turned on Japan scared them so bad that they surrendered rather than face it. 

 

On a more serious note, Soviet involvement may have hastened the surrender, in the hopes occupation by the Soviets could be avoided. 



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View Postspud_tuber, on Sep 19 2018 - 17:20, said:

Is easy comrade.   The simple threat of Soviet power being turned on Japan scared them so bad that they surrendered rather than face it. 

 

On a more serious note, Soviet involvement may have hastened the surrender, in the hopes occupation by the Soviets could be avoided. 

 

I completely agree the soviets helped convince Japan it was over. Probably as much as the two atom bombs the USA dropped. 

 

But far from single handed winning WWII. 



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View PostFlarvin, on Sep 19 2018 - 16:26, said:

 

I completely agree the soviets helped convince Japan it was over. Probably as much as the two atom bombs the USA dropped. 

 

But far from single handed winning WWII. 

Did you not catch the sarcasm in my first paragraph? 



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View Postspud_tuber, on Sep 19 2018 - 17:37, said:

Did you not catch the sarcasm in my first paragraph? 

 

Some true in that statement though. 

 

Many in Japan’s leadership feared the soviets and communism. 



Kelly_Sereda #39 Posted Sep 20 2018 - 00:33

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View PostHottieHotPants, on Sep 19 2018 - 22:13, said:

The Soviet Bloc single handedly won WWII and the French, British and Americans only contributed $100 each. The Russian tank tree deserves to be the best.

 

Ah, but what currency?  $100 in 1945 was worth 4 trillion rubles.



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View Postagtdetructor, on Sep 18 2018 - 23:55, said:

https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2018/09/19/data-tier-x-performance-by-country-and-vehicle-type/

 

USSR > France > UK  > China > USA > Germany

 

In fact the majority of German tanks are in red, only the E-50 and the Maus have a good score and the E-100 is the worst Tier X tank in the game.

 

if it wasnt for the patton the usa tanks would be at bottom with germany.




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