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The_Ice_Cream_Man_ #41 Posted Sep 20 2018 - 01:12

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View PostHottieHotPants, on Sep 19 2018 - 22:13, said:

The Soviet Bloc single handedly won WWII and the French, British and Americans only contributed $100 each. The Russian tank tree deserves to be the best. 

 

Reason why russian tanks are the best is because they are the largest player base for WG.  Its why although inaccurate, in WOT the russian tanks are the best.

 

Also the main reason why Germany and Japan lost the wars was because they ran out of resources.

 

 



Blazzy #42 Posted Sep 20 2018 - 01:29

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Also when comparing tanks, all the german tanks are the oldest tanks in the game being WW2 era.  Every other tank in this game was designed based on what they learned fighting the german tanks and were made after WW2.  With all the "balancing" they've done in the past few years, aside from the current spam gold meta, just makes them inferior overall since without heavy balancing they're fighting tanks designed to specially counter them.

 

You can still have good games in them, but they're definitely lacking overall, and the current gold spam meta kills them.

 


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View PostWeSayNotToday, on Sep 19 2018 - 21:07, said:

 

I am pretty sure that the USSR's advantage in tanks for most of the war was numbers mostly, due to the greater industrial capacity than the 3rdR had.

 

The tank designs were fine starting with the T-34, but quality control was low, and the training was not as good, at least partly due to the USSR losing more tank crews, faster, than the Germans.

 

The "dependability" of the T-34 came from decent design and the fact that there were spare parts everywhere, due to significant T-34 losses.

 

The last part of the war was a different story.  USSR had made many gains, due to its vastly greater resources of materials and men, and they benefitted in several ways.

 

Russians were the first tank designers to institute angled armor.  Germany was well aware of it well before the Eastern campaign.  As it stands, Germany didn't start designing the Tiger or Panther until midway through the French invasion.  Take into account testing, trials, etc. and you have a 1939 influenced tank design (Tiger I) against state of the art tanks that were just put together/crewed horribly.  Plus, the Panther and the Tiger were both over engineered and suffered mightily from logistical issues and mechanical problems.  Hell, I've read articles were Tigers had to go all around the entire parameter of a town to get to the other side because the width of the tank prevented them from going down normal roads and the length of the barrel meant that they had to constantly remove trees and poles (read: not Polish people but, yeah, that happened too).  At the end of the war, they had tanks that couldn't even go across bridges, not enough fuel/mechanics/parts to keep them going, etc.

 

Russian designs essentially negated the power of the first "medium" 75.  It wasn't until the Tiger's 88 and the Panther's 75 that they were able to overcome the design gaps.  But, by then, it was too late.



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View PostTrauglodyte, on Sep 20 2018 - 01:36, said:

 

Russians were the first tank designers to institute angled armor.  Germany was well aware of it well before the Eastern campaign.  As it stands, Germany didn't start designing the Tiger or Panther until midway through the French invasion.  

 

 

This is an interesting post.

 

There was a tiny bit of sloped armor in WW1, but the BTs from USSR used a sloped glacis extensively, yet it was not really effective, or if it was, it was hard to tell.  The BTs were not sturdy, successful tanks.

 

The French were the first to really use good sloped armor; this is one, but not the only, reason the Germans were aware of it.

 

The Germans were still poorly supplied with Pz3 and Pz4 for the Battle of France, they could do a lot more with a lot more of them, and there was plenty of upgrade room in them, particularly the Pz4,

 

Also, I agree, in regards to sloped armor....  "The tank designs were fine starting with the T-34..."

 

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Take into account testing, trials, etc. and you have a 1939 influenced tank design (Tiger I) against state of the art tanks that were just put together/crewed horribly.  Plus, the Panther and the Tiger were both over engineered and suffered mightily from logistical issues and mechanical problems.  

 

 

 

But the Russian tanks suffered more from poor reliability and tactics than the Germans suffered from being "behind" or "over-engineered" for most of the war.  During Barbarossa, the USSR lost armored units 7 times faster than the Germans, and as late as Kursk, they were still suffering losses 5 times as fast.

 

The USSR tanks were not as reliable on a per-unit basis.  But their industrial policy and resources were far superior, so....

 

Also, I agree .... "but quality control was low, and the training was not as good."

 

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Hell, I've read articles were Tigers had to go all around the entire parameter of a town to get to the other side because the width of the tank prevented them from going down normal roads and the length of the barrel meant that they had to constantly remove trees and poles (read: not Polish people but, yeah, that happened too).  At the end of the war, they had tanks that couldn't even go across bridges, not enough fuel/mechanics/parts to keep them going, etc. Russian designs essentially negated the power of the first "medium" 75.  It wasn't until the Tiger's 88 and the Panther's 75 that they were able to overcome the design gaps.  But, by then, it was too late.

 

The better German 50 mm and 75 mm [as you said, not the first 75] guns did fine against T-34s, although superior tactics enabled success with the 50s.

 

The T-34-85 had logistical problems like you mention for the Germans in manuevers as well.  The gun had to be fully elevated for long marches, or the turret reversed, so that the gun would not fill with dirt and mud on an uneven road from bouncing into the roadbed or ground in front of the tank.

 

The Germans could deal with the Soviet armor units, just not with the quantity of them.

 

A good thing, when all is said and done....



Zuikakoo #45 Posted Sep 20 2018 - 10:22

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This game belongs to russians and is played by russians.   Until WG sells off or is bought out Russian Bias will be there, its part of their cycle, it preys upon the nationalistic feelings of Russian gamers, that isn't hurt that the regime within Russia is also fostering this nationalism.    A wonderful fantasy realm where Russia can be number one against its current and historical enemies.   This game isn't about balance its about maximizing microtransactions in the Russian market.   As the NA market continues to stagnate and contract this will only become more pronounced.   Don't get me wrong this isn't anything new, I mean play For Honor and see how great the  European Knights do compared to the other factions because of where the player base is founded.

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I am not completely sure, maybe in the current state of the game yes, because premium ammo destroy the porpouse of armor and we know that the genius at WG have told many times that they don't consider the gold spam to balance(those guys should be fired, because of them the game is dieying), when premium ammo wasn't a issue the E-100 blocked lot of shoots and could do something more in battle the the current E-100 with no wrmor because premium shoots, the Issue here is how armor works and how WG failed miserably to balance their own game




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