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DKHitz #21 Posted Sep 22 2018 - 17:10

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well i mentioned before on how they got that trade in almost any gift card for wot gold, which if they bothered to keep that on the forefront of players minds would be a solid constant income generator.

i figure its a third party product but wargaming clearly gets income from every gift card be it gamestop or walmart or gap.  and like many successful big businesses they understand that there is plenty of ways to a dollar.  4 quarters or 10 dimes or 20 nickles or 100 pennies, in the end its still a dollar.  and since i would wager that about every day one of their customers has a birthday to which gift cards are typical gifts given.

so they got income makers but the question is do they bother to take full advantage of them.

to which brings it back to forums, if the devs and wargaming staff actually bothered to really read postings they might take notice of parts of their operation they have either forgotten or didnt see it the way the forum posting mentions.  why do you think corporations hire third party consultants?

as bfh7 of bubbletank clan said "i care more about this game then does wargaming"



The_Chieftain #22 Posted Sep 22 2018 - 17:29

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NA staff reads a lot more than we type, and just because we see something worth mentioning to the devs, we don’t necessarily say that we have forwarded it on.

 



ThePigSheFlies #23 Posted Sep 22 2018 - 20:29

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View PostThe_Chieftain, on Sep 22 2018 - 11:29, said:

NA staff reads a lot more than we type, and just because we see something worth mentioning to the devs, we don’t necessarily say that we have forwarded it on.

 

 

come on now, your post count is almost as high as mine, although you started over a year before me

 

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edit.  mis read your post count *sheepish grin*


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DKHitz #24 Posted Sep 22 2018 - 21:23

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if you want to be super secret society on things then thats your call but people feel involved when they get feedback and in particular when it keeps being brought up over and over again.

people keep asking the same questions because they never hear a peep when it became asked the third or fourth or fifth or thirty third time.

if there are ideas that just dont "cut the mustard" then simply say "hey its a interesting idea but development and management are looking in a different direction" or if its a sound idea then say "hey solid idea and one will we do what we can to forward onto development and management and when we hear back from them on it, we will keep you posted"

u.s. navy a long time ago found out that when port calls where being discussed long before ever getting there, it was far better to "nip it in the bud" by stating the potential list of port calls and the restrictions and such to make them.  since not every port call during a pack can be visited.  it kept sailors informed and satisfied and planning ahead for possible port calls.



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View PostThe_Chieftain, on Sep 22 2018 - 11:29, said:

NA staff reads a lot more than we type, and just because we see something worth mentioning to the devs, we don’t necessarily say that we have forwarded it on.

 

Never mind.  Just had to search better on my phone. 



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View PostKliphie, on Sep 22 2018 - 03:36, said:

 

 Do you smell burnt toast?

 

Yes but I'm making toast so ....

 

If I see Devs posting much (any) on here I'd almost be disappointed considering how many bugs/fixes/improvements they have to work on and I certainly wouldn't want them to spend (waste) time reading/posting to forum. Their time is best spent developing the game, any valuable feedback from these forums will be passed on to them by the people who get paid to read this forum



Rhadamanthuz #27 Posted Sep 23 2018 - 15:17

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Its all good we have 

 

Just don't type A@@ on the forums 



NeatoMan #28 Posted Sep 23 2018 - 15:34

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According to the tinfoil experts we are posting in every thread

Kliphie #29 Posted Sep 23 2018 - 16:45

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View PostNeatoMan, on Sep 23 2018 - 09:34, said:

According to the tinfoil experts we are posting in every thread

 

shill

CabbageMechanic #30 Posted Sep 23 2018 - 18:34

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View PostDKHitz, on Sep 21 2018 - 18:11, said:

i keep getting told that the "sure fire way" to get ideas and such into the "brains" of wargaming devs and those that decide game details, is to use forums.

really?

now if that was the case then why doesnt the devs ever post on forum postings?  it wouldnt take much to show you are actually listening when you add a comment.  it doesnt have to be anything earthshattering but simply make comments on the topic.

but who is anyone kidding, devs arent interested in critical comments.  they want suck up brown nosing ones which say how great and perfect wargaming is at what they do.  and that they can do no wrong.

a case in point, look below when your making a forums posting, original.  you see "attach files"   Used 0bytes of your 500K global upload quota (Max. single file size: 500K)     Trouble uploading? Try our basic uploader

 

now forums isnt a small bit but rather large and complex so if they can utilize adding pics and such then why cant clans on their webpage do the same?  the only thing a clan webpage "message board" can do is type and even that has a low limit.

brought this up a long while back and recently and guess where that is at.

 

just something to think on

 


We regularly read the forums and file feedback reports to the Development team.  The best way to have immediate impact is to become a regular in WCFR, where critical opinions are always allowed as long as they are reasoned and constructive.

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DKHitz #31 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 00:23

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"We regularly read the forums and file feedback reports to the Development team.  The best way to have immediate impact is to become a regular in WCFR, where critical opinions are always allowed as long as they are reasoned and constructive. 

Edited by CabbageMechanic, Today, 11:35 AM."

well i would offer this suggestion then, instead of have this special group.  take some time to learn about those that post and it wont take too long to figure out which ones have those reasonable and constructive critical opinions.

as a petty officer in the u.s. navy and i wont go into which rank in that.  while on active you could either dictate to those under you or learn which ones you could trust and delegate jobs too.  which freed you up require abit.  several of the people i trusted with the more important jobs were ones i often enough butted heads with but they also came up with more options in getting it done then i had thought of.

if people have to keep posting the same concept over and over again to which snarky comments about beating a dead horse or worse, then clearly not enough effort is being put into addressing said issue.  because as the saying goes "if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck" and they didnt need a special comment group to figure that out.

something to keep in mind here.

since online gamers almost stay as online gamers and that number tends to grow.  then when you experience a "golden age" then big drop off and pretty constant "drip, drip, drip" of losing people.  those people just dont disappear.  they simply move onto a better online game and they take their playing time, their in game presence and most importantly they take their disposable incomes.  so right now various online games are thanking wargaming for doing what they are doing and they are wanting wargaming to keep it up because if they got one of your former customers as theirs now, chances are they will get more of them.



DKHitz #32 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 00:31

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although it is nice to see two of this community speaking up, i hope they address others postings as well.

matchmaking is a big topic that keeps going on day in and day out because if it really worked then there would be less if not none saying anything about it.

if someone brings up "hey add this to the program" and you forward that on and the development team just cant make it work then gee i dont know, how about they sent back a note saying they tried to make it work but it just isnt a doable thing.  adding a few details lends some credibility to it as well.

to which then people can then point to "hey they tried to make it work but it just cant" that quiets that crowd alot



The_Iron_Bullet #33 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 00:35

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Because the forums mods/admins don't need to participate in petty arguments about premium ammo. They're just wasting their time at that point.

docroberts #34 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 05:15

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Its like over the years , Promise this and promise that , But then we'll take your stuff you earned to take it away . Move things to other lines , More or less cheat us out of our XP , silver , Preem time , Gold . We as players feel very cheated , but we keep seeing lips flapping and no sound coming out .  Hell 9.18 was the final straw after I had to spend a few mill just to resupply my ammo in all my lite tanks and that's after they gave you some silver for a few of the changes they did do . But taking our modules and nerfing the lites was bull . And now since tier 8 is screwed up and every team is a roll over . Enough already and just pull the plug so the next company can take your place . If things are reported , I don't think nothings being heard …. 

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View PostDKHitz, on Sep 22 2018 - 02:11, said:

i keep getting told that the "sure fire way" to get ideas and such into the "brains" of wargaming devs and those that decide game details, is to use forums.

really?

now if that was the case then why doesnt the devs ever post on forum postings?  it wouldnt take much to show you are actually listening when you add a comment.  it doesnt have to be anything earthshattering but simply make comments on the topic.

but who is anyone kidding, devs arent interested in critical comments.  they want suck up brown nosing ones which say how great and perfect wargaming is at what they do.  and that they can do no wrong.

a case in point, look below when your making a forums posting, original.  you see "attach files"   Used 0bytes of your 500K global upload quota (Max. single file size: 500K)     Trouble uploading? Try our basic uploader

 

now forums isnt a small bit but rather large and complex so if they can utilize adding pics and such then why cant clans on their webpage do the same?  the only thing a clan webpage "message board" can do is type and even that has a low limit.

brought this up a long while back and recently and guess where that is at.

 

just something to think on

 

Name one company where employees are eager to make more work for themselves based on customer feedback



DKHitz #36 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 05:49

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well since two community people commented on this topic then a simpler idea to forward on.

brought this up before and right now so if you could please.

 

a case in point, look below when your making a forums posting, original.  you see "attach files"   Used 0bytes of your 500K global upload quota (Max. single file size: 500K)     Trouble uploading? Try our basic uploader

 

now forums isnt a small bit but rather large and complex so if they can utilize adding pics and such then why cant clans on their webpage do the same?  the only thing a clan webpage "message board" can do is type and even that has a low limit.

brought this up a long while back and recently and guess where that is at.

 

simply add the picture option that is here in this forums and put that in the clan webpage that wargaming provides to all clans.

if they could, make it to where you can upload the pics from screensave file that is in the game already.

being able to post screensaves from epic or any battles from clan members is an added bonus for clan membership and also can lead to boosts in in game population because now clanners are having in clan competitions on who can post the better battle pic.

and in having more in game population gives wargaming the opportunity to get impulse buyers to spend some money and even get window shoppers more reasons to go from window looking to making purchases.



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View PostDKHitz, on Sep 23 2018 - 15:31, said:

although it is nice to see two of this community speaking up, i hope they address others postings as well.

matchmaking is a big topic that keeps going on day in and day out because if it really worked then there would be less if not none saying anything about it.

if someone brings up "hey add this to the program" and you forward that on and the development team just cant make it work then gee i dont know, how about they sent back a note saying they tried to make it work but it just isnt a doable thing.  adding a few details lends some credibility to it as well.

to which then people can then point to "hey they tried to make it work but it just cant" that quiets that crowd alot

 

  We have recently addressed matchmaker and the process of updating here.

As far as that sort of specific feedback, we do our best but it is not practical or even possible to do so on an individual level.  NA is one of the smaller regions for World of Tanks and we still receive thousands of ideas, suggestions, and pieces of feedback a week.  Generally in software development resources are allocated to specific projects several months in advance, so there is no one sitting idly waiting for ideas to come in and try because they are constantly working on something that was conceived beforehand.  We do what we can to raise the issues players find important to that process so resources can be allocated to them, but not all players (and even developers) are ever going to agree on the chosen scheduling.

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View PostDKHitz, on Sep 23 2018 - 23:49, said:

well since two community people commented on this topic then a simpler idea to forward on.

brought this up before and right now so if you could please.

 

a case in point, look below when your making a forums posting, original.  you see "attach files"   Used 0bytes of your 500K global upload quota (Max. single file size: 500K)     Trouble uploading? Try our basic uploader

 

now forums isnt a small bit but rather large and complex so if they can utilize adding pics and such then why cant clans on their webpage do the same?  the only thing a clan webpage "message board" can do is type and even that has a low limit.

brought this up a long while back and recently and guess where that is at.

 

simply add the picture option that is here in this forums and put that in the clan webpage that wargaming provides to all clans.

if they could, make it to where you can upload the pics from screensave file that is in the game already.

being able to post screensaves from epic or any battles from clan members is an added bonus for clan membership and also can lead to boosts in in game population because now clanners are having in clan competitions on who can post the better battle pic.

and in having more in game population gives wargaming the opportunity to get impulse buyers to spend some money and even get window shoppers more reasons to go from window looking to making purchases.

Like many other clans,  I suggest you create your own clan website so you may tailor it however you wish.



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i've personally seen tons of changes made to the game over the years that started as player suggestions. 

they do listen.

most players here have no idea how business cycles work, and think their great idea should be implemented next day and not the normal 6-12 months most ideas take to get from text to in game. 

 

here is a basic clue about almost all larger businesses, today we do the work that was drawn up 3 months ago, drafted 6 months ago, and thought up 9 months ago.  this is normal. 

anything with capital purchases (over 5-10k price range for most businesses) usually add 6 months. 


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DKHitz #40 Posted Sep 25 2018 - 01:22

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hurk yes i do know how corporate works and yes i know how u.s. military logistics works as well.

the thing you dont bother to mention is, is it coming from the top or coming from the bottom.  when an exec has a "brillant idea" that goes right into planning and even at the expense of other projects.  but when a "up the ladder" idea comes around, it gets thrown around meetings and such to which unless someone with clout takes it on as a personal pet project, it just simply hangs like a chad on a ballot.

now if you think i am being unfair then by all means read up on my doubloons to gold 2 year plus problem.

skinny on it, got told cant be done the first couple of tickets.  over 2 years later ask again because i was told it was being sent up the chain and actually got a person that was about solving problems then kicking them down the road.  in under 2 hours, problem solved.

as for "they do listen", well if that is the case then its bad advise because plummeting numbers and having to move your brick and mortar because of various reasons and most are "cost cutting" then they might want to re examine who they are listening to and who they arent listening to, just food for thought






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