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scamper0914 #1 Posted Sep 22 2018 - 18:12

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Lets get real here, A type 5 realistically can do 1200-1600 damage to it, easily with he, aswell as Foch B is pretty much as good or better then WT Auf, Why not either? all of the german tanks need massive buffs *cough cough* pls buff wg

Everlasting_Chungus #2 Posted Sep 22 2018 - 18:19

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If you want the wte then you have to go to console for it. It's never going to come back here because it's gimmick was too strong (clipping people from full health) and balancing it is an "impossible" task.

 

Asking for the WTE is like asking for the removal of arty, you're just peeing into the wind, waiting for forum goers to mock what you want in some fashion and for nothing to come out of it. 



dnaman #3 Posted Sep 22 2018 - 18:27

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“I’m not good enough to play in normal tanks.  Bring back the most broken tank ever so I can feel good.”

 

not happening...



Everlasting_Chungus #4 Posted Sep 22 2018 - 18:38

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View Postdnaman, on Sep 22 2018 - 10:27, said:

“I’m not good enough to play in normal tanks.  Bring back the most broken tank ever so I can feel good.”

 

not happening...

 

WTE is no where near as broken as the Obj 268v4 was and still is. The WTE had the strongest autoloader gimmick in the game, but no way could it literally just sit in front of everyone and farm them the whole time, only having to worry about type 5 HE and arty. By the time the wte was removed, it had a 48.8% avg wr, the 268v4 has an overall avg wr of 55.71%, last 4 weeks was 52.94%. 



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View PostGravtech, on Sep 22 2018 - 12:38, said:

 

WTE is no where near as broken as the Obj 268v4 was and still is. The WTE had the strongest autoloader gimmick in the game, but no way could it literally just sit in front of everyone and farm them the whole time, only having to worry about type 5 HE and arty. By the time the wte was removed, it had a 48.8% avg wr, the 268v4 has an overall avg wr of 55.71%, last 4 weeks was 52.94%. 

 

yeah at this point the only thing keeping the wthremoved is it's reputation.

 



DVK9 #6 Posted Sep 22 2018 - 20:14

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I would gladly trade back my Grille for it.

 



Ferdinand910 #7 Posted Sep 22 2018 - 21:16

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Doesnt the Chinese server have it? I think its a tier 10 premium thats costs the same amount as a down payment on a house though lol

Spector668 #8 Posted Sep 22 2018 - 21:59

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View Postscamper0914, on Sep 22 2018 - 11:12, said:

Lets get real here, A type 5 realistically can do 1200-1600 damage to it, easily with he, aswell as Foch B is pretty much as good or better then WT Auf, Why not either? all of the german tanks need massive buffs *cough cough* pls buff wg

 

 

 

Just...no.

Granted, it was/is a one-trick pony, but that one trick made it breathtakingly OP.


Edited by Spector668, Sep 22 2018 - 21:59.


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I would rather see the return of the ISU-152 with the BL-10 

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View Postscamper0914, on Sep 22 2018 - 12:12, said:

Lets get real here, A type 5 realistically can do 1200-1600 damage to it, easily with he, aswell as Foch B is pretty much as good or better then WT Auf, Why not either? all of the german tanks need massive buffs *cough cough* pls buff wg

 

The WT E100 had a turret.  The Foch B has to turn the whole vehicle to aim at different targets.  When shooting at moving targets the FOch B has both hull traverse dispersion and gun traverse dispersion.  The WT E100 has only turret traverse dispersion to deal with.  Its just easier to hit targets with the WT E100.

 

It was a completely broken TD and did not add any good quality to gameplay.



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realistically, with all the clipping tanks in the game now, adding this beast back wouldn't be that bad

 



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View PostSpector668, on Sep 22 2018 - 12:59, said:

 

 

 

Just...no.

Granted, it was/is a one-trick pony, but that one trick made it breathtakingly OP.

you are so very very correct.  But "made" in the past tense.  I am not so sure with some of the map tweaks how well the WTE would fair with a few changes to its camo rating and speed and such.  You could leave the gun and autoloader alone with a minor increase to the reticle.  Make it more in line with the T49 or 183.  aimed in good, but move it and pay the price in waiting for it to refocus.  Small changes would bring it back in line from being too OP, but even in the right hands the Manticore is going to be a point of contention.   Keeping the WTE out of the game for balance reasons is kind of silly when the wheeled vehicles are still going strong.  There are counters to the WTE, and there always were, so maybe tweak it and bring it back, at least to the test server and see how it fairs.



KaiserWilhelmShatner #13 Posted Aug 06 2019 - 09:43

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IF they bring the black market back....

Tolos #14 Posted Aug 06 2019 - 11:04

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View PostCapPhrases, on Sep 22 2018 - 17:54, said:

 

yeah at this point the only thing keeping the wthremoved is it's reputation.

 

No the fact it was totally broken is what is keeping it removed. 



Saint_Metagross #15 Posted Sep 16 2019 - 19:07

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View PostTolos, on Aug 06 2019 - 02:04, said:

No the fact it was totally broken is what is keeping it removed. 

This is what he means bu it's reputation.

 

I agree, the WTE100 was broken...for it's time.  But, the battlefield and way people play now has changed drastically.  The WTE100 would not fair as well as it did.  Plus, they can always actually sit down and try tweaking it.  Like, reducing it's camo to that of a heavy (though to be fair, I've had even Type 5s sneak up on my light tanks that had max'ed spotting skills, or close to max, not sure how people are pulling off getting something like 60% to 80% camo with Type 5s, but, that is literally what is happening, been seeing this with lots of tanks actually).  They can also reduce the turret transverse speed so it has difficulty tracking targets at close range, meaning, circling it will be it's death.  Same with it's hull transverse.  It is build on a heavy base, it should turn like a heavy, it's old roughly 48 degree total transverse is a little much compared to the E100s roughly 42 degree total transverse.  If it is built and based on the E100, it should share lots of its features with the E100 (minus the turret, as that is vastly different).  It's speed should also be reduced to 30km/h to match it's parent chassis (and to reflect it's weaker engine better).  They also would need to re-balance the gun, actually make it reflect the fact that it has/had the same gun as the E100, but, autoloader form.  That would require them to nerf it's accuracy to be more in line with the E100, meaning, instead of 0.29 m, it would become 0.36 m.  And it's aiming time increased to 2.3s instead of 1.5s.

 

In short, the following changes would be required at the very least to make it more balanced:

Transverse Speed: 26 Degrees to 22 degrees

Turret Transverse Speed: 22 degrees to 20 degrees

Max Speed: 40km/h to 30/km/h

Dispersion at 100 m: 0.29 m to 0.36 m

Aiming Time: 1.5s to 2.3s

Camo Rating: Nerf

 

Those right there would be a large step in nerfing this beast.  Would make moving and setting up harder and more strategic.  Would make you have to make your shots count as they would be less accurate and take longer to line up.  And would make it so that you'd have to move quicker after being spotted, as you would be spotted easier than other T10 TDs.  In short, you'd have to play smarter.

 

To many people forget the WTE100's turret is nothing, meaning, once spotted, the WTE100 is easy to kill, just shot the turret!  The changes to it's other mechanics (including nerfing it's camo rating) will make it easier to deal with than even the Foch B.

 

I would like to point out, that the average damage of a single clip from the WTE100 is only 2450 while the Foch B tops at 2400.  Meaning, there really is no true difference between them right now.  But, that is only if you include the full clip.  For some reason, every source lists the gun I've been using so far (the 44L/55) as having a 4.55 rounds per minute rate of fire, meaning, it's overall damage per minute is much less than the Foch B.  Meaning, that with the nerfs I had listed above, the tank becomes harder to play...that is if the information I've found is accurate.  I find it hard to see that, it had a 5 round clip, but, could only, on average, fire 4.55 rounds per minute.  Meaning, in two minutes, it would fire only 9 rounds (on average).  Meaning, while it has a 2540 damage per clip potential, over two minutes, it would average out to be only 4410, instead of 4900.  Compared to the Foch B's 7.5 rounds per minute, which gives it a total of 14 rounds over two minutes and an average damage over that time period of 5600.  The Foch B also throws out 2800 damage per minute (on average).  Now while people want to use the "it has turret" excuse, both are tank destroyers, thus, both would be played basically the same way.  Meaning that excuse doesn't cut it.

 

Now, if we took a look at the other gun the WTE100 used to be able to have...well, at this point, we can only speculate as I cannot find any info on it's stats for that gun.  And from what I've seen, a tank with autoloading guns, does not always have the same clip size for the guns.  Because of this, I cannot accurately say how much damage output the L/38 had on the WTE100.  The only ting I can say for certain is, given what I know about the L/55 on the WTE100, is that it most likely had better accuracy and aim time than the one found on the E100.  So, they would need to nerf that.

 

All in all, it just needs nerfs to many aspects to make it more or less "balanced" in the current form of WOT.






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