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Gnomon #1 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 16:06

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Hey, everyone!

 

I have a bit of Supertest news for you! 

 

Today, we’re starting the test of a new Soviet Tier VIII Premium tank destroyer, the SU-130PM. While tuning its stats, we used the SU-100P as a base. The SU-100P was a post-WWII light TD prototype, aimed at gradually replacing the SU-76M. A fully operational unit passed the trials, and the SU-100P was greenlit for army service, yet it did not enter mass production. The test unit now resides in the Kubinka Tank Museum.

 

What will it be like in-game?

 


The main difference between the game version and the completed prototype is the armament: in-game it boasts a more powerful 130mm cannon. Gameplay-wise, the SU-130PM is a compact vehicle with decent mobility, great camo and a hard-hitting gun with an alpha of 520 and a penetration of 243 mm with a standard round.
You can hardly call this gun a sniper as its base accuracy is 0.35, but it still allows you to be effective at almost any distance. It should be noted that the base aiming time is 2.3 seconds, so you won’t be able to fire from the hip. Before picking your target, you’ll need to prepare.
The SU-130PM is agile enough to benefit from switching flanks and firing positions. Its top speed is 65 km/h but it’s attainable after a period of time and on terrain with good traction—off-road it doesn’t perform so well. The cruising speed of the SU-130PM is between 45–55 km/h.

 

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Still looks enticing, so what’s the catch?
Well, the SU-130PM is scantily armored, has a small HP pool (1100 points), and a limited horizontal firing arc of 155 degrees. To survive in battle, you’ll need to rely on camouflage and using your mobility wisely.
Drawing a line: we’re going to battle-test a mobile but squishy Soviet TD—a dedicated damage dealer with camo-based play, which changes its position a lot. It’s a relatively complex, but rewarding vehicle, which has everything it needs to be efficient in battle.

 

The trials will define what will become of the SU-130PM. As always, its stats are not final and may change depending on test results. 

 

Let us know what you think! Thanks, everyone, and see you out on the battlefield! 



Cognitive_Dissonance #2 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 16:14

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Can you say Waffentrager Auf Pz. IV?

 

But yeah, must have.


Edited by Cognitive_Dissonance, Sep 24 2018 - 16:14.


pickpocket293 #3 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 16:17

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The power-creep with regards to alpha damage has absolutely got to stop. 390 used to be the de-facto tier 8 hit. Then there were 440 guns, then there were 490 guns. Now there are 520 guns? It's absurd that this thing would see tier 6s and potentially roll for 650 of a Rudy's 720 hitpoints. 

Boddingtons #4 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 16:18

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If we buy this tank, will we only be able to play it on the LATAM server? 

GenErwinRommel #5 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 17:02

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do we really need another russian OP tank that s for beginners

don't they have enough russian cheet tank s in the game



iiNSaNiiTY #6 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 17:15

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WORLD OF RUSSIAN TENKS

Almighty_Johnson #7 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 17:16

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Wow, 520 Alpha?  On a Tier 8 non-derp gun?  Um, a bit of power creep there?  It had better have a miserable rate of fire, or absolute crap accuracy or it'll be the next OP riot inducing tank to spark another typhoon of hate from the player base.  All in all, a premium TD would be cool, as I play a LOT of TDs, but this looks like a bad idea.  Tone the gun down a bit, to say, 390, or even 420 Alpha and it would be fine, comfortable to play, and won't set off a riot.


Edited by Almighty_Johnson, Sep 24 2018 - 17:18.


dont_ping_me #8 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 17:18

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I can see that tomato now, sitting there not detected in the open. Fires once and one-shots a tier 6. Tomato then gets detected and insta-dies. Sounds like a not-so-fun game for two players. Basically, alpha is getting out of hand.



Danfunnyman #9 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 17:28

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The only reason I can see to give this a fictional gun is to make it controversial. Give it something like the Object 416 gun and it could play like a fast Krup Steyr at tier 8. But this gun just continues the gun power creep we’ve been getting at tier 8 and makes it just a better Skorpion G. Because the game really needs that...


Edited by Danfunnyman, Sep 24 2018 - 18:29.


Mikosah #10 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 18:18

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Ok, so we have a green Skorpion G with worse accuracy but higher alpha. Honestly, not a bad thing to have. The glass-cannon meta is much more pleasant than the armor meta. Though let's be completely honest, it is going to play just as sniper-like a playstyle as the Skorpion, just with a little more RNG. The current map rotation isn't ideal for that playstyle, though I still predict this will be very popular if only for the dakka. Incidentally, what's the reload time?

Mermaid_Witch #11 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 18:21

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"Yay".  Another tank for the most bloated line in the game.  Ever think of maybe added in another American Medium line?  We have a lot of Mediums that could be made into a line if you people would quit wanking on how "great" and "stronk" Russia is.

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Well if you are asking for feedback, here is mine:

 

I think the tank is very similar to the Skorpion G and I think I am not alone when I say the Skorpion was tuned a bit too high. So to address this tank, we are missing some important stats such as rate of fire, camo rating, dispersion when moving, etc. and therefore I cannot say if it is balanced or not. Therefore, I plead you WG to seriously consider giving it either a mediocre camo rating or a poor rate of fire. Otherwise it will be just another over powered tier 8 premium tank. So please WG consider what you are introducing into the game here.....especially since it is another tank with high alpha.

 

Finally, I do agree that there is currently not much choice when it comes to Premium tier 8 Russian Tank Destroyers and like the idea of WG adding one in the game but only IF IT IS BALANCED!


Edited by this_man, Sep 24 2018 - 19:39.


CynicalDutchie #13 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 19:58

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Another T8 with T10 levels of alpha. This is so sad, can we fire the WG balance department?

 

Or you know actually hire one because I'm not sure on exists at the moment.



docroberts #14 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 21:39

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Drop the Alpha down to 490 and pen on preem rounds to a flat 312 . Turret traverse down to a flat 20 .  Then you can say it's a hair better than the Sqorp G in some ways .. 

Avalon304 #15 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 21:47

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Ok... so... some feedback:

 

As a whole package, Im not too worried about this tank. There are individual bits that worry me:

 

The alpha. 520 for tier 8 with really good TD penetration for tier 8, worries me. Either drop the penetration or drop the alpha. If you really really want to have 520 alpha at tier 8, go the way of the ISU-130 or SU-100Y and giving it a lower penetration premium round with the 520 alpha.

 

I want to see the guns soft dispersion values, if theyre Skorpion levels or worse, my first point sort of becomes less of a worry.

 

I want to see the guns DPM. It better not be high, if youre keeping 520 alpha.

 

I want to see the camo values. If this thing is sneaky sneaky, then the alpha needs to be lowered or the penetraion need to be lowered. Period. Regardless of anything else.

 

But what I see right now, based on the sats currently given: I see a slightly worse in many ways Skorpion with 520 alpha... and it doesnt worry me. Yet. But if any or all of the above points turn out to be bad, we have problems.

 

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An aside: If you need to release a tier 8 premium Soviet TD please release the ISU-130 just like the Asia server did... before you release this one.

 

 

EDIT: Having now seen some of the other stats...

 

https://ritastatusre...tat-comparison/

 

Im not really worried at all. Id like to see the alpha lowered (and the premium penetration lowered for a 520 alpha shell)  but thats really the only problem I now have.


Edited by Avalon304, Sep 25 2018 - 02:30.


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View Postpickpocket293, on Sep 24 2018 - 16:17, said:

The power-creep with regards to alpha damage has absolutely got to stop. 390 used to be the de-facto tier 8 hit. Then there were 440 guns, then there were 490 guns. Now there are 520 guns? It's absurd that this thing would see tier 6s and potentially roll for 650 of a Rudy's 720 hitpoints. 

 

You do know that the rhm and the isu were original tier 8s and both have 750 alpha right??

cavalry11 #17 Posted Sep 26 2018 - 16:19

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Just another way to get players to waste money on another make believe tank, MONEY is all they care about.

AZandEL #18 Posted Sep 27 2018 - 03:53

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View Postpickpocket293, on Sep 24 2018 - 15:17, said:

The power-creep with regards to alpha damage has absolutely got to stop. 390 used to be the de-facto tier 8 hit. Then there were 440 guns, then there were 490 guns. Now there are 520 guns? It's absurd that this thing would see tier 6s and potentially roll for 650 of a Rudy's 720 hitpoints. 

Fits the 2018 meta perfectly. 2min arcade game. Good riddance.



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View PostGnomon, on Sep 24 2018 - 16:06, said:

Today, we’re starting the test of a new Soviet Tier VIII Premium tank destroyer, the SU-130PM. While tuning its stats, we used the SU-100P as a base. The SU-100P was a post-WWII light TD prototype, aimed at gradually replacing the SU-76M. A fully operational unit passed the trials, and the SU-100P was greenlit for army service, yet it did not enter mass production. The test unit now resides in the Kubinka Tank Museum.

 

So why didn't you guys just use the actual SU-100P? Or is there a Soviet turreted TD line the future that needs it as a silver tank?



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View PostLord_Magus, on Nov 06 2018 - 14:43, said:

 

So why didn't you guys just use the actual SU-100P? Or is there a Soviet turreted TD line the future that needs it as a silver tank?

 

Thats probably part of the plan. The SU-100P and the 152P exist, and there might even be case for implementation of the Taran at the top of the line, meaning it could branch off at tier 7 or 8. Theres also the 152G... but I doubt it.




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