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JikeNtho #1 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 17:03

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Looks like we are getting a new Alpha King with 520 dmg/shot ;) No armor by smaller profile than Skorp

 

https://thedailybounce.net/2018/09/24/world-of-tanks-supertest-su-130pm-soviet-tank-destroyer/



Vulcan_Spectre #2 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 17:19

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wow, "just what i need"-wayfair AD

I_QQ_4_U #3 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 17:24

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A lot less pen though. The G is just super easy mode, just aim at a tank and fire and it's likely to hit and pen every time. Could be sneakier though.

Ded_man #4 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 17:28

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Still won’t be a Skorp. What makes the Skorp good is the mobility and turret (plus other minute things that compliment the main features). Though the article claims this to have a turret, it’s a limited travel turret that will be much like German arty turret travel. If this has side armor to side scrape, it might be usable. Otherwise, may as well be a more mobile T28 concept up gunned.

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View PostI_QQ_4_U, on Sep 24 2018 - 16:24, said:

A lot less pen though. The G is just super easy mode, just aim at a tank and fire and it's likely to hit and pen every time. Could be sneakier though.

 

Are we reading the same article?

G:

246/311/65 AP/APCR/HE
 

SU-130PM:

243/320/65 AP/?/HE
 

 

That article is absolutely hilarious btw.
 

"You can hardly call this gun a sniper as its base accuracy is 0.35..."

0.35 for a 152 mm gun?  Are you for real?  That's amazing.

Obj 268, a Tier TEN, has 0.33 accuracy.  KV-2, a tier VI, has 0.43 accuracy.
 

"...off-road it doesn’t perform so well. The cruising speed of the SU-130PM is between 45–55 km/h."

So don't go off-road?  45-55 km/h is better than most tier 8 mediums and almost all, if not all, tier 8 tech tree tds.
 

The most laughable one is this though:

"...a limited horizontal firing arc of 155 degrees"

Oh is that limited?  Sorry I thought the AMX AC 48's 20 degree gun arc was limited.  Maybe this is "Russian Limited."
 

The Russian Bias is real.  At least it won't be competitive in tournaments, but yeeesh, it'll pretty OP because of that alpha if it doesn't loose much camo when firing. 
 



maddogatc #6 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 18:04

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Oh boy. Another Russian premium tank. Funny how the game version has a more powerful gun than what was reality. Can’t have a German tank, such as the Skorpion G, outperform the Russian tanks now can we.

Edited by maddogatc, Sep 25 2018 - 14:26.


docroberts #7 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 18:05

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Wait till you get your crew on this thing then it comes into its own . But Russia was long over due for a tier 8 preem TD . And No hope for the American line . 130 mm gun on the test server model , over all it looks right on par for a 8 able to go into 10s . 

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more tier 8 prems ...

Tuturuuu #9 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 18:13

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I don't see why the Russian tier eight premium TD had to be a near copy of the Scorpion G: Looking forward to popping them with HE when they reach the game. 

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Instead of fixing MM so tier 8 doesn't always see tier 10, we get tier 8 tanks that can fight tier 10s.

Mikosah #11 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 18:28

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If nothing else, at least this one will be penetrable with standard rounds.

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WG be like , lets introduce another OP tier 8 tank as we did not learn from Skorp and defender and patriot experience. Feel sorry. :mellow:

I_QQ_4_U #13 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 18:33

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View PostVampiresbane, on Sep 24 2018 - 17:52, said:

 

Are we reading the same article?

G:

246/311/65 AP/APCR/HE
 

SU-130PM:

243/320/65 AP/?/HE
 

 

That article is absolutely hilarious btw.
 

"You can hardly call this gun a sniper as its base accuracy is 0.35..."

0.35 for a 152 mm gun?  Are you for real?  That's amazing.

Obj 268, a Tier TEN, has 0.33 accuracy.  KV-2, a tier VI, has 0.43 accuracy.
 

"...off-road it doesn’t perform so well. The cruising speed of the SU-130PM is between 45–55 km/h."

So don't go off-road?  45-55 km/h is better than most tier 8 mediums and almost all, if not all, tier 8 tech tree tds.
 

The most laughable one is this though:

"...a limited horizontal firing arc of 155 degrees"

Oh is that limited?  Sorry I thought the AMX AC 48's 20 degree gun arc was limited.  Maybe this is "Russian Limited."
 

The Russian Bias is real.  At least it won't be competitive in tournaments, but yeeesh, it'll pretty OP because of that alpha if it doesn't loose much camo when firing. 
 

 

For some reason I thought the G had a lot more on it's standard rounds. And this thing has a 130mm gun, not 152 although .35 is still pretty good for even that.

 



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Sigh, why do I keep playing this game? More importantly why do I waste any money on premiums that are just going to power creeper by better Russian tanks?

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View PostJenniferGoines, on Sep 24 2018 - 18:35, said:

Sigh, why do I keep playing this game? More importantly why do I waste any money on premiums that are just going to power creeper by better Russian tanks?

 

I find it funny that so many people whine about premiums, either they're OP or they suck. Even with any new tank, premium or tech there's all this whining about the tanks before anyone knows if they are actually any good. The 268v4 was supposed to suck, the Chrysler K was supposed to be god mode, funny stuff.

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View PostTuturuuu, on Sep 24 2018 - 12:13, said:

I don't see why the Russian tier eight premium TD had to be a near copy of the Scorpion G: Looking forward to popping them with HE when they reach the game. 

 

I always hear this about thin skinned tanks. Explain exactly how your desire to pop them with he magically negates their camo and high alpha? Does your desire to pop them with he somehow change the game mechanics to your favor to allow you to saunter up to them and pop them with he and not get smashed in the process?

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Dear Wargaming. the game does not need more high alpha glass cannons. they ruin gameplay and invalidate the concept of armor and reduce the value of skill. instead, we need more normal/average tanks.



Tuturuuu #19 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 19:41

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View PostTheManFromKekistan, on Sep 24 2018 - 18:47, said:

 

I always hear this about thin skinned tanks. Explain exactly how your desire to pop them with he magically negates their camo and high alpha? Does your desire to pop them with he somehow change the game mechanics to your favor to allow you to saunter up to them and pop them with he and not get smashed in the process?

 

I didn't say they'd be easy to counter: I'm just remarking that another popular, thin-skinned tank going into the game means more opportunities to bully them with HE or artillery. I am by no means arguing that this - arguably better - clone of the Scorpion G is balanced or good for the game. I'm also not trying to imply that the mechanics of the game change for thin-armor vehicles. I for one don't think every country needs a stealthy, turreted sniping TD at tier eight: I thought that this was meant to be a feature of the German TD tree.

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I said this over on the Reddit forum.  I'm ok that they're adding another Russian tank because, let's be honest, Russia is their bread and butter audience.  BUT, they're taking a prototype vehicle and putting a gun on it that was NEVER on any of the three designs why?  You don't see them adding the 170 mm from the Jadgtiger to the Pz I do you?  The Krupp Steyr WT sure didn't get a 105 or 128.  So, why in the heck are they upgunning a tank to have something for which it was never intended?

 

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Today Wargaming is starting the closed test of a new Soviet Tier VIII Premium tank destroyer SU-130PM. An unhistorical vehicle based on the SU-100P light tank destroyer prototype.

A fully operational SU-100P unit passed the trials and was greenlit for service, but it never entered mass production. Two other versions were tested, SU-152P with a 152mm anti-tank gun and a self-propelled version also with a 152mm gun denominated SU-152G. The surviving vehicles can be seen in Kubinka Tank Museum.

The main difference between the game version and the completed prototype is the armament: in-game it boasts a more powerful 130mm cannon.

 

So, they're taking the SU-100P, which logically had the 100 mm or whatever, and then decided to give it a gun that it never had, thus boosting the damage output from the standard 250 to 490 WITH A TURRET.  How do they not understand how f'ing stupid they are?  Congratulations!  Russia is getting a freaking Skorpion that will be able to cyka blyat snapshot like a beast because why?

 


Edited by Trauglodyte, Sep 24 2018 - 19:59.






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