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Striker_70 #21 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 19:59

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View PostAlirezaTheLord, on Sep 24 2018 - 11:33, said:

WG be like , lets introduce another OP tier 8 tank as we did not learn from Skorp and defender and patriot experience. Feel sorry. :mellow:

 

The Skorp is perfectly balanced.  The Defender is not, that's definitely OP.  It's hard to say how good this one is going to be without knowing the soft stats. As of right now, the accuracy on this thing looks fairly bad.

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View PostStriker_70, on Sep 24 2018 - 13:59, said:

 

The Skorp is perfectly balanced.  The Defender is not, that's definitely OP.  It's hard to say how good this one is going to be without knowing the soft stats. As of right now, the accuracy on this thing looks fairly bad.

 

But its well known the cold dead hand of stalin guides russkie shells to the best weak spot so aiming is optional anyways. With a fully skilled crew and food that .35 will go down to .33 which is fine for mid range shots and even long range will typically hit the tank.

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View PostHurk, on Sep 24 2018 - 18:50, said:

Dear Wargaming. the game does not need more high alpha glass cannons. they ruin gameplay and invalidate the concept of armor and reduce the value of skill. instead, we need more normal/average tanks.

 

Would have been fine if they, you know, kept it historical and put it at tier 7.  Russian Krupp Steyr, GO!!!  But, no, they've got to do something weird and made-up.



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View PostTrauglodyte, on Sep 24 2018 - 12:58, said:

I said this over on the Reddit forum.  I'm ok that they're adding another Russian tank because, let's be honest, Russia is their bread and butter audience.  BUT, they're taking a prototype vehicle and putting a gun on it that was NEVER on any of the three designs why?  You don't see them adding the 170 mm from the Jadgtiger to the Pz I do you?  The Krupp Steyr WT sure didn't get a 105 or 128.  So, why in the heck are they upgunning a tank to have something for which it was never intended?

 

 

So, they're taking the SU-100P, which logically had the 100 mm or whatever, and then decided to give it a gun that it never had, thus boosting the damage output from the standard 250 to 490 WITH A TURRET.  How do they not understand how f'ing stupid they are?  Congratulations!  Russia is getting a freaking Skorpion that will be able to cyka blyat snapshot like a beast because why?

 

This is the article about the tank that was posted earlier . 

Today Wargaming is starting the closed test of a new Soviet Tier VIII Premium tank destroyer SU-130PM. An unhistorical vehicle based on the SU-100P light tank destroyer prototype.

A fully operational SU-100P unit passed the trials and was greenlit for service, but it never entered mass production. Two other versions were tested, SU-152P with a 152mm anti-tank gun and a self-propelled version also with a 152mm gun denominated SU-152G. The surviving vehicles can be seen in Kubinka Tank Museum.
The main difference between the game version and the completed prototype is the armament: in-game it boasts a more powerful 130mm cannon. Gameplay-wise, the SU-130PM is a compact vehicle with decent mobility, great camo and a hard-hitting gun with an alpha of 520 and a penetration of 243 mm with a standard round. You can hardly call this gun a sniper as its base accuracy is 0.35, but it still allows you to be effective at almost any distance.
The SU-130PM is agile enough to benefit from switching flanks and firing positions. Its top speed is 65 km/h but it’s attainable after a period of time and on terrain with good traction—off-road it doesn’t perform so well. The cruising speed of the SU-130PM is between 45–55 km/h.
The SU-130PM is very scantily armoured, has a small HP pool of 1100 points and a limited horizontal firing arc of 155 degrees. To survive in battle, you’ll need to rely on camouflage and using your mobility wisely. In resume, the SU-130P will be the Soviet version of the already in-game Skorpion G, but with better camouflage values.

Last but not least, you should note this will be the first turreted Soviet tank destroyer, possibly opening the doors to the introduction of a new branch of Soviet turreted tank destroyers. Until we can confirm this, we will have to wait and see what will turn out of this vehicle.



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I like how this and the Scorp G were basically higher-tier Hellcat clones, but the Hellcat needed to be nerfed into the ground for playing exactly the same way as these. 

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View PostStriker_70, on Sep 24 2018 - 10:59, said:

 

The Skorp is perfectly balanced.

 

So perfectly balanced that it's the most played tank in the game. Yup. People would buy a 'perfectly balanced' premium tank and then play it so much that it's the most played tank in the game by 90,000 battles.

 

The Defender is 182nd. The Patriot is 266th.



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It really does baffle me...

 

This probably would’ve been a fine and not controversial tank if it had a 100mm, though at that point it would be a re-skinned Object 416 that can actually pen things with standard rounds. (I could easily rant on about the current state of the 416...)

 

But no, they had to give it a made up gun so that it’s basically a Skorp that gives up some things that don’t matter to improve stats that do matter. 

 

The only good thing about this tank in terms of the health of the game that I can see the slim hope for a turreted TD Line (even though there’s plenty of tech tree lines more important as far as most people, myself included, are concerned). 

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View PostI_QQ_4_U, on Sep 24 2018 - 16:24, said:

A lot less pen though. The G is just super easy mode, just aim at a tank and fire and it's likely to hit and pen every time. Could be sneakier though.

 

243 is decent pen

The_Pushok #29 Posted Sep 24 2018 - 23:02

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I will be first in line to get it, when does it come out? lol

 

They msut have listened to me, I have said a few times that the only new tank I will buy is a Russian premium, OP type TD, tier 8.



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View Postramp4ge, on Sep 24 2018 - 14:40, said:

 

So perfectly balanced that it's the most played tank in the game. Yup. People would buy a 'perfectly balanced' premium tank and then play it so much that it's the most played tank in the game by 90,000 battles.

 

The Defender is 182nd. The Patriot is 266th.

 

Popular and overpowered are not necessarily the same thing. Consider that the Skorpion's popularity may also be because of its ease of use, lack of concern for enemy gold spam, and little need to use gold itself.

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View PostMikosah, on Sep 24 2018 - 14:12, said:

 

Popular and overpowered are not necessarily the same thing. Consider that the Skorpion's popularity may also be because of its ease of use, lack of concern for enemy gold spam, and little need to use gold itself.

 

IE, overpowered. If it has enough advantages to make it overwhelmingly the most played tank in the game, it's broken.

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View Postramp4ge, on Sep 24 2018 - 14:40, said:

 

So perfectly balanced that it's the most played tank in the game. Yup. People would buy a 'perfectly balanced' premium tank and then play it so much that it's the most played tank in the game by 90,000 battles.

 

The Defender is 182nd. The Patriot is 266th.

 

Newsflash: WG has sold the Defender a grand total of 2 times due to it being too OP.  They've sold the Skorpion G many times due to it not being OP, despite having a reputation for it.

 

 

 

As it so easily can be seen, the Skorp is perfectly balanced while the Defender is OP.  The Skorpion has a completely undeserved reputation for being OP.  It's not.  It's one of the most balanced tanks this game has ever seen.  It sells well because it's mistakenly thought of as OP, is up for sale a lot, is fun to play, and earns good credits. 

 

 

 

 

 



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Caernavon AX or this thing?



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View PostStriker_70, on Sep 24 2018 - 15:43, said:

 

Newsflash: WG has sold the Defender a grand total of 2 times due to it being too OP.  They've sold the Skorpion G many times due to it not being OP, despite having a reputation for it.

 

 

 

As it so easily can be seen, the Skorp is perfectly balanced while the Defender is OP.  The Skorpion has a completely undeserved reputation for being OP.  It's not.  It's one of the most balanced tanks this game has ever seen.  It sells well because it's mistakenly thought of as OP, is up for sale a lot, is fun to play, and earns good credits. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not OP, people just play it more than any other tank by an enormous degree because reasons! 

 

I mean, if it was played 5,000 more games than the next highest, you might have a point. But it wasn't. It was played 90,000 more games than the next highest.

 

People played it because it was OP. Not because it was "perfectly balanced". 



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Serge shouldn't we work on more balancing in the game?  No comrade all we need is more russian tanks.  And russian tanks have to be strong and out perform all tanks of there tier and higher haha.  But what about all the other powercreeped  tanks from other nation surge.  Sucks to be them comrade. muhahaha

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View Postdocroberts, on Sep 24 2018 - 21:18, said:

This is the article about the tank that was posted earlier . 

Today Wargaming is starting the closed test of a new Soviet Tier VIII Premium tank destroyer SU-130PM. An unhistorical vehicle based on the SU-100P light tank destroyer prototype.

A fully operational SU-100P unit passed the trials and was greenlit for service, but it never entered mass production. Two other versions were tested, SU-152P with a 152mm anti-tank gun and a self-propelled version also with a 152mm gun denominated SU-152G. The surviving vehicles can be seen in Kubinka Tank Museum.
The main difference between the game version and the completed prototype is the armament: in-game it boasts a more powerful 130mm cannon. Gameplay-wise, the SU-130PM is a compact vehicle with decent mobility, great camo and a hard-hitting gun with an alpha of 520 and a penetration of 243 mm with a standard round. You can hardly call this gun a sniper as its base accuracy is 0.35, but it still allows you to be effective at almost any distance.
The SU-130PM is agile enough to benefit from switching flanks and firing positions. Its top speed is 65 km/h but it’s attainable after a period of time and on terrain with good traction—off-road it doesn’t perform so well. The cruising speed of the SU-130PM is between 45–55 km/h.
The SU-130PM is very scantily armoured, has a small HP pool of 1100 points and a limited horizontal firing arc of 155 degrees. To survive in battle, you’ll need to rely on camouflage and using your mobility wisely. In resume, the SU-130P will be the Soviet version of the already in-game Skorpion G, but with better camouflage values.

Last but not least, you should note this will be the first turreted Soviet tank destroyer, possibly opening the doors to the introduction of a new branch of Soviet turreted tank destroyers. Until we can confirm this, we will have to wait and see what will turn out of this vehicle.

 

when it comes to other nations in game or not in game WG says they do not want ot make fake tanks.  This tank does not exist cuz it was never produced, but sits in the secret halls of the kremlin for high ranking party supporters to admire, it doesnt sit in kubinka museum, but its actually in warthunder.

 

they wont buff the grille 15 but they will make a russian grille 15 line reskin that is better.



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View PostI_QQ_4_U, on Sep 24 2018 - 17:24, said:

A lot less pen though. The G is just super easy mode, just aim at a tank and fire and it's likely to hit and pen every time. Could be sneakier though.

 

look up the skorp gun stats before you post cuz what you are saying is inaccurate.  its not a lot less pen, its pretty close.

 

as for not being a sniper .35 accuracy is pretty good, with snap shot, vents, bia, food you can get it down to .31, with improved vents you can get it down to .30 accuracy.

 

also its a fake tank that never existed, the story they spin is like the mauerbrecher story they marketed to try to sell a fake super heavy tank.  this tank doesnt exist, it was never produced, and it certainly didnt have that gun.

 

its a grille 15 reskin to start an improved russian grille 15 line.



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View PostJikeNtho, on Sep 24 2018 - 17:03, said:

Looks like we are getting a new Alpha King with 520 dmg/shot ;) No armor by smaller profile than Skorp

 

https://thedailybounce.net/2018/09/24/world-of-tanks-supertest-su-130pm-soviet-tank-destroyer/

 

its a fake tank, the gun depression on it tells you that.  reskin skorp G / Borsig hybrid. 

 

its the buffs to the Grile 15 line that they said they were not gonna do for the german td's, but the reskin it and buff it and make a new GRussian Turreted TD line that is fake in all aspects including dispersion and gun depression, and to make it russian they give better armor, turret traverse, reload and aim time, speed, and camo. the camo on the skorp and borsig is .22 base, the camo on this new fake Grussian td is .33 base



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View PostThe_Ice_Cream_Man_, on Sep 24 2018 - 16:44, said:

as for not being a sniper .35 accuracy is pretty good

 

.35 is really good..

 

By comparison, the Pershing's in at .37 and it's one of the most accurate tanks on the US tree. .35 is the same as the M18 and nobody has ever called an M18's gun "inaccurate".

 

Most US vehicles are .37 or worse..

 

The US tier 8 TDs' 120mm is in at .38...

 

Yeah. "Not a sniper" my [edited]. 

 



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"Grille is fine" (lol) this is much finer.





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