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1984BigBrother #1 Posted Oct 04 2018 - 18:30

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After careful consideration of your feedback, Effective starting the Primetime of Friday, October 5th, 2018 the “Ghost Clan Rule” goes in to effect for Season 10.

There are separate punishments for the “Ghost Clan” if it is active or not and the “Abusing Clan”

 

Definition of a Ghost Clan

How to Report
Penalties

 


Edited by 1984BigBrother, Jan 15 2019 - 18:46.


IronClad__ #2 Posted Oct 04 2018 - 18:36

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Honestly this is just begging for accidental punishment. This "rule" seems entirely based on someones opinion of who is a ghost clan and with it entirely depending on a person in WG investigating it means there's going to be unfair penalties/bans. 

Hellsfog #3 Posted Oct 04 2018 - 18:38

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While I appreciate WG trying to fix an issue, even if it wasn't really an issue, there seems to be a substantial opportunity for abuse and other mischief. 

_Perfect #4 Posted Oct 04 2018 - 18:43

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clan gets wrongly banned by support not knowing what they are doing due to poor handwavy rules. clan dies because it cant do ANYTHING for a week at the first ban. GG. 

eraser1 #5 Posted Oct 04 2018 - 20:15

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This definitely seems something that is handled by "higher level" support members, and not your average "customer support ticket responder".

 

As long as this is the case, and the people handling these reports apply due diligence, this system should be great.

I don't expect WG to arbitrarily apply punishments without good evidence.



MacDaddyMatty #6 Posted Oct 04 2018 - 20:17

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Right now I'm just wishing that my clan was named "Ghost Clan".

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TouchingPermanently #7 Posted Oct 04 2018 - 21:56

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Nice!

Greg_BloodInMyPorkSword #8 Posted Oct 04 2018 - 21:58

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I think it would be very beneficial for you rework these definitions as they are quite wavy and ambiguous. You have ghost clans poorly defined which is inappropriate with such harsh punishments, With literally all of our accounts at stake I would like to be assured that people are not going to be unfairly penalized due to the poor nature of definitions.

liamcraig1245 #9 Posted Oct 04 2018 - 23:01

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As much as people may criticize wargaming, they are not that dumb. They have detailed logs of IP addresses and hardware IDs for each account which would give them enough information to properly look into each report unless someone was really really good at what they do and even then it is hard to falsify a hardware ID for this purpose. I do think there is the possibility for this penalty system to be abused against higher ranked clans if the support team do not leverage those logs which they definitely have access to. Just ask Brap who supposedly had at least 22 accounts banned in a two week span because of his hardware ID after getting into some bad blood with a cc.

LeaveIT2Beaver #10 Posted Oct 05 2018 - 01:20

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View PostMacDaddyMatty, on Oct 04 2018 - 14:17, said:

Right now I'm just wishing that my clan was named "Ghost Clan".

:trollface:

 

you r a bad bad influence on me  :trollface:

dominator_98 #11 Posted Oct 05 2018 - 03:12

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I feel the punishment here far outweighs the crime. Pushing a few battle times doesn't justify killing a clan for 7 days IMO. However, assuming all concerned parties have been informed of the rule, and WG staff is very careful with their logs of which PC's are doing what, I suppose it's a very good deterrent. I don't know much about how you can detect alt accounts and the like, but it looks like you guys are pretty confident in it. 



Hardcorpse #12 Posted Oct 06 2018 - 01:51

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I would love to have "ghost clans" removed from play, but I share the concern that legitimate clans are going to get unfairly penalized as "ghost clans" just like bad players get reported as "bots" in random battles. The Global Map Guide is convoluted and outdated, so I think there is a fair chance that a new clan would miss their first battle unless they have a Global Map veteran to help them with the process.

 

 

View Postliamcraig1245, on Oct 04 2018 - 17:01, said:

As much as people may criticize wargaming, they are not that dumb.

Members of the top clans must get special treatment. For everybody else, the Wargaming support staff is nothing but a joke of incompetence with a "working as intended" punchline.

http://forum.worldof...5#entry11795445

yewchung #13 Posted Oct 09 2018 - 16:59

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I don't think we've been affected by ghost clans.

General_Pete #14 Posted Jan 05 2019 - 17:24

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Ha Ha Ha....seems like all the top clans were really worried about this scary "ghost clan" rule. Guess the real reason they posted here was to beg WG to forgive them of any crimes they might commit.

PanicShots #15 Posted Jan 16 2019 - 00:49

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I think it's a great idea. It should be handled by higher level support staff though due to the seriousness of the punishments. It would be nice to see certain top clans have to fight their own battles for a change *cough.*

Redwave11 #16 Posted Jan 16 2019 - 23:25

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Yikes, what stops 'ghost clans' from pretending to help out clans that they arent related to to get them banned? Seems like it could be easy to frame a clan and the penalties are quite heavy.

Edited by Redwave11, Jan 17 2019 - 14:52.


HI_FIVE #17 Posted Jan 16 2019 - 23:40

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View PostRedwave11, on Jan 16 2019 - 18:25, said:

Yikes, what stops 'ghost clans' from helping out clans that they arent realated to to get them banned? Seems like it could be quite easy to frame a clan and the penalties are quite heavy.

 

They arent ghost clans then.They are allied clans.Big difference red.BTW how have you been?

 



raymee101 #18 Posted Jan 21 2019 - 01:29

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This is great news as many of the clans up top abuse that setup to offset battles, excellent for those cheaters!!!

SgtAKP #19 Posted Jan 21 2019 - 21:53

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I gather Ghost Clans are the phony cans attacking to offset battles. We ran in to several last season that were obvious. When you checked clan and player profiles they showed zero clan war activity. 

 

This was a bad abuse that caused a huge waste of time. Penalties can't be harsh enough. This looks like a possible good fix. 



Harvester_0f_Sorrow #20 Posted Nov 03 2019 - 02:03

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Are these rules still in effect?




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