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Spooky2 #1 Posted Sep 13 2011 - 00:45

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Wargaming released their roadmap for releasing new tanks today:

"tank destroyers M8A1, T49, M18 Hellcat, T28 prototype - Q1 2012;"
"tank destroyer T25-2 - Q1 2012."

So the second American TD line will be introduced in the first quarter of 2012. There's two entry points to the new TD line from the original one:

T82 (Tier 3) to M8A1 (Tier 4): You'll want to save up roughly 3200 exp on your T82 to go this route.

M10 Wolverine (Tier 5) to M18 Hellcat (Tier 6): You'll want to save up roughly 30000 exp on your M10 Wolverine to go this route.
* These are my rough estimates on the exp you'll want. If someone has the exact exp numbers to unlock them, please post it so I can edit it in.

T30 will be substituted for T110 and T30 will be moved to the Tank Destroyers line of the tech tree.
Players who have a T30 in their garage at the time of the revision will have it replaced with a T110 with a 100% crew, plus they will also get T30 in its new status with the top module setup, old crew, and an extra garage slot.
No additional refunds are planned.

Overlord's April post on tank changes.

American Tech Tree with new tanks added.

Also, if anyone has tech trees/stats on the new American TDs, please post it (especially on the M18 Hellcat, I really want to see what WG does with it).

Spectre12078 #2 Posted Sep 13 2011 - 17:33

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Yeah watch the TD that EVERYONE wants be so horribly represented in game <_< No mobility,no turret speed,the gun will be horrible due to the ammo the tank actually used being premium no depression. Yup same thing that they did with the M10/36 I can easily be seen done again.

Id say around 33K-35K would be the ballpark XP and probably around 7-850K in silver.


Im gonna get the Hellcat and HOPE its not horrible.

Cmon WG 3rd times the charm! Lets see if you can get it right!


I have no idea why theyd -5 you. So a +1 for you.

Skyfaller #3 Posted Sep 14 2011 - 18:09

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If i have the m10 elited do i still need to get that 30k xp?? Itd suck considering im already way past the m10 and it eould cause garage and crew training issues.

Dregbag #4 Posted Sep 15 2011 - 13:32

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they need to add a T55 Motor Carriage (1943) it would make me a happy man

http://www.airlandse...ad/dsfrdrfr.jpg

MrTankFan #5 Posted Sep 15 2011 - 14:21

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View Poststrfy2001, on Sep 15 2011 - 13:32, said:

they need to add a T55 Motor Carriage (1943) it would make me a happy man

http://www.airlandse...ad/dsfrdrfr.jpg

Hate to break it to you, but I doubt that will make it into the game. It's wheeled, and I think the dev's have said that there aren't any plans for wheeled vehicles to be added. Sorry, mate.

FreeFOXMIKE #6 Posted Sep 15 2011 - 14:29

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http://video.search....p=ww2 greyhound

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if they add any wheeled it should be the Grayhound,but sadly they have no plans to add any wheeled

MrTankFan #7 Posted Sep 15 2011 - 15:02

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To the OP: I don't have any stats from WG on the new tanks, but I tried to dig up what info I could on them, so here it is (with some of my crackpot speculation thrown in for good measure):

M8A1

For this, basically imagine your upgraded M5 Stuart had its 75mm derp gun replaced with the M4 Sherman's 75mm M3. Personally, I like the look and plan to try this one. I imagine the armour will be pretty much identical to the M5, and some alternate gun selections might include an up-gunning to a 76mm along with the 57mm and 105mm from the T82.

T49

Someone else was already so kind as to make a topic about this one. Looks to be another pretty neat tank. Though not as fast as the Hellcat, it could reportedly go up to about 50 kph, which is nothing to sneeze at. 57mm was the historical armament, but an up-gunning to 76mm guns seems like a given.

M18 Hellcat

I doubt I really need to say much here, most of you probably know what this thing is, that it is cool, and that you (probably) want one. Some interesting tidbits, though:
-The game engine has a speed cap of 72 kph. The Hellcats historical speed is supposedly pushing 100 kph on roads, so its speed will have to be nerfed, not because of some "Russian conspiracy" but because the game just can't handle it. I would expect some other buff (maybe to armour or some such thing) to compensate.
-There was a variant with a 105mm howitzer. It was called the T88, and is slated to appear as a premium tank destroyer. So I wouldn't bank on the M18 getting the 105mm derp gun as well.

T-25-2

Honestly I can't find any real info on the T-25 or the T-25-2. In another topic, user Marseille (if you want to look up him/her to ask directly) posited that the T-25-2 would be the T-25 AT but with a turret, which makes a bit of sense since all the vehicles in the 2nd TD line that precede it are turreted (I'm not counting the T82 and T18 here). Armament will likely be similar to the T-25 AT.

T28 Prototype

I don't have a web page for this one either, since this tank is essentially mostly made up by the dev's to fill the tier slot in the 2nd US TD line, which you might have already known. As long as they're making up tanks, though, can I recommend that this be a T28 chassis with a turret? Since all the other TD's in this alt line are, or seem to be, turreted, it would make sense (sorta). At least it would allow people to hone the playing style that accompanies turreted TD's in preparation for the T30, rather than having to switch play styles for a tier. As for armament, it'll likely be similar to the current T28.

T30

Again, you all probably know about this one because it's in game right now as a tier 10 heavy. When it gets moved to being a tier 9 TD the only thing that seems sure is an HP nerf, but other than that it's hard to say. The top gun will almost certainly still be the 155mm, though the T30 might receive the T95's variant of it instead (the T95's 155mm is slightly better, so that would be good). Also, the armour will likely be untouched, since people seem to agree that right now the armour is great...for the role of TD. Other than that...it's hard to even guess with much certainty. They might mess with turret traverse, camo values, view range, mobility, etc.

Skyfaller #8 Posted Sep 15 2011 - 15:15

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View PostMrTankFan, on Sep 15 2011 - 15:02, said:

M18 Hellcat

I doubt I really need to say much here, most of you probably know what this thing is, that it is cool, and that you (probably) want one. Some interesting tidbits, though:
-The game engine has a speed cap of 72 kph. The Hellcats historical speed is supposedly pushing 100 kph on roads, so its speed will have to be nerfed, not because of some "Russian conspiracy" but because the game just can't handle it. I would expect some other buff (maybe to armour or some such thing) to compensate.
-There was a variant with a 105mm howitzer. It was called the T88, and is slated to appear as a premium tank destroyer. So I wouldn't bank on the M18 getting the 105mm derp gun as well.


Then the devs in typical russian fashion, have massively F'd up and will go into denial.

The M18 will have loltraktor paper armor (28mm), a lightweight gun (the same m1a1 stock and m1a2 upgrade) the Wolverine has. If their inept coding does not allow the engine to push more than 72kph then there is no point or purpose to introduce the hellcat at all. They wont buff it in any other way to compensate..they CANT. SPEED is what made the hellcat a hellcat... they wont add armor (useless since all guns its tier and above will penetrate it easily), they wont add a bigger gun (because the T88 will be their gold tank (90mm with 105 upgrade)...and all this translates into an absolute failure.

Also take into account the new german light will SERIOUSLY outperform the hellcat in its role. 72kph speed. 60mm armor on front, highly sloped (aka same bounce-off round ability of the leopard) AND an insane gun package options..the last 2 of which rival the 76mm M1A2 AT and 105mm derp of the wolverine in performance. :

7.5 cm KwK 40 L/48 110/110/175 106/143/38
10.5 cm KwK 42 L/28 350/350/410 64/150/53

look at that crap. This german light, with a 100% camo crew, binocs, camo net and optics (or a rammer if the gun reload calls for it) make it a super non-gold M18 which will perform ALMOST as well as the GOLD M18.

The only thing this german light cant do is get the TD insta-camo... but hey... if you think about it, the M18's TD camo is worthless as it HAS to relocate the moment it shoots and if it shoots TOO close it means it will be 1-shotted.

TankSinatra #9 Posted Sep 15 2011 - 18:57

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I wonder what else they'll do to differentiate the turreted T25 and T28 from what we have now. I'm guessing they'll have the same guns but worse ROF.

Skyfaller: think about decaf.

Skyfaller #10 Posted Sep 15 2011 - 19:05

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You'll see im right.

MrTankFan #11 Posted Sep 15 2011 - 22:47

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A couple things about Skyfaller's response:

-The game engine, bigworld, is not a product of Wargaming. They didn't develop it, and I imagine various legalities might prevent them from tinkering with it.
-The M18 will likely receive the 90mm gun that the M36 has, since it is also a tier 6 TD. The T49 will be tier 5 and a counterpart of the Woverine, not the Hellcat.
-The 90mm will not be available for the T88, because the T88 will be premium. Premium tanks do not get upgrades.
-The T88's 105mm gun would hardly be an upgrade from the 90mm anyway, since it is a howitzer, often called a "derp gun" on these forums.

Overall, I'm thinking the Hellcat will likely be like a M36 that loses armour for speed, which is actually a pretty nice trade because the Slugger's armour is nothing special. Also, that lightweight armour allows for a better power-to-weight ratio than the Jackson which means the "shoot and scoot" tactics Skyfall described and that US TD crews actually had to use are easier to pull off. I would hazard a guess that if you like the M36 and keep thinking "I just wish this had more get-up-and-go!" then you may also like the Hellcat. If you thought the M36 was terribad, though, then I wouldn't get too excited.

Dominatus #12 Posted Sep 15 2011 - 22:51

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Yeah, Hellcat is the "Super Hellcat" model, with the 90mm gun.

As to the T25-2 and the T28p, it's anyone's guess as to what they will even look like. Both are completetly fictional (as are the T28 and the T25 AT).

MrTankFan #13 Posted Sep 15 2011 - 23:16

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View PostTankSinatra, on Sep 15 2011 - 18:57, said:

I wonder what else they'll do to differentiate the turreted T25 and T28 from what we have now. I'm guessing they'll have the same guns but worse ROF.

Skyfaller: think about decaf.

To be safe: I don't know for sure that the T-25-2 or T28 Prototype are turreted. As I said, I saw someone in another topic say the T-25-2 would have a turret and that was all. I do think it makes sense, though, since the T30 line will be most, if not all, turreted vehicles.  As to the T28 Prototype, I was just making the suggestion that I think it would make gameplay sense with a turret and after all why not, since Overlord admitted the vehicle was mostly fantasy anyway, like a couple other things in-game or planned to be included:
-The E-50's top turret. I have never seen that turret on any sketch of the tank, and I think the dev's said in a goha.ru interview that they made up that turret.
-The Henschel turret on the VK 4502 Ausf. A. They actually had to tweak the model a bit to fit the Henschel turret onto a chassis never designed to hold it.
-The M24 Chaffee's top turret, which is a real turret...for another tank.
-Several gun-tank setups in the Russian line that are just a wee bit implausible (in the "that gun would never fit on that tank" kind of way: T-28 w/85mm, IS-4 w/130mm, and ISU-152 w/BL-10.
So, yeah. Just go ahead an slap a turret on the T28 Prototype with a 120mm as the top gun. I won't care. As to how they would balance these vehicles against their non-turreted counterparts, they could just give them worse camo, or maybe thinner armour and better speed (the T30 line also looks to be the "fast and light" one). I really don't think the T28 Prototype will have a turret, though, since that would throw open the flood gate for people to demand stuff like the E-90 "Tiger III", the E-79 "Schwarzwolf", and all sorts of other stuff*.


*Likely including a landship which shall not be named for the benefit of the kidneys of those playing its associated drinking game.

MrTankFan #14 Posted Sep 15 2011 - 23:43

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View PostDominatus, on Sep 15 2011 - 22:51, said:

As to the T25-2 and the T28p, it's anyone's guess as to what they will even look like. Both are completetly(sic) fictional (as are the T28 and the T25 AT).

I don't know about the T-25 AT. It might actually be legit (though I've never seen an actual photo). The T28/T95 split, though, is not really valid since in reality that name change was just that: a name change. So, the T28 Prototype will be a made-up variant...of a made-up variant? :blink:

That does it, forget it. Go ahead, put a turret on the T28 Prototype and throw in all that made-up/prototype stuff. Germany, you can bring the E-79 and E-90. America, get that T54 and T95 in here. Bring the M48, too. And Russia, I don't hate you, unlike some. De-mothball the Object 279 pronto. What's that I hear from the back? Oh...well...NO LANDSHIPS! They're still not cool. I mean, there's ridiculous and then there's ridiculous.

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ISU-152 did have a BL-10, by the way. Or, at least the Object 704 version of it did.

markodash #16 Posted Sep 16 2011 - 05:10

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i actually don't mind them doing a few made up tanks, i'd like them to be as realistically preforming as possible of course. just consider WoT an alternate history where prototype tanks saw mass production and WWII ran much longer.

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View Postmarkodash, on Sep 16 2011 - 05:10, said:

i actually don't mind them doing a few made up tanks, i'd like them to be as realistically preforming as possible of course. just consider WoT an alternate history where prototype tanks saw mass production and WWII ran much longer.

Only problem with that us that T25 AT and T28 (plus our version of the GW-Panther) never existed. Anywhere. Not even blueprints. The devs made them up by themselves...

Dregbag #18 Posted Sep 22 2011 - 01:45

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so question, why are they making the T30 a tank destroyer?

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View Poststrfy2001, on Sep 22 2011 - 01:45, said:

so question, why are they making the T30 a tank destroyer?

Because that's already its role in Clan Wars.

nublex #20 Posted Sep 22 2011 - 06:08

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We are lucky that they didn't drop all Soviet medium line down a tier, make T-34-57 premium and have IS-7 as tier 9 medium.