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13Disciple #1 Posted Oct 12 2018 - 14:08

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Hello All!

My next article on How Marks of Excellence Work is live on my website.

I scoured many sources and spoke to many people to gather together all of this information into a single location. My goal was to make a page that becomes the new single reference point on how marks of excellence work. Granted there are still some holes, but there is far more information in this article than there is on the WoT wiki, or any individual forum post.

 

I've also provided a bunch of graphs to help players visualize what this math looks like. I think they tell the real story of this article. If you see errors or have questions or comments let me know here and I'll try to make updates to the article as they come in.

 

This is still missing the math on how the server calculates it's Expected EMA's - if anybody from WGNA can chime in and provide some of that information I'd be very grateful. 

 

As always if you want to support this and my future content, find me on Twitch.#shamelessplug


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Vulcan_Spectre #2 Posted Oct 12 2018 - 14:35

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the first bit i was like "mhm" when it got to the EMA stuff i was like "what....?"

Scorpiany #3 Posted Oct 12 2018 - 14:40

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Very well done and very well written. My only suggestion would be to use slightly darker colors (or slightly darker background) for the charts, as the colored lines for 1-mark, 2-marks and 3-marks were a bit hard to see.

13Disciple #4 Posted Oct 12 2018 - 14:44

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View PostScorpiany, on Oct 12 2018 - 08:40, said:

Very well done and very well written. My only suggestion would be to use slightly darker colors (or slightly darker background) for the charts, as the colored lines for 1-mark, 2-marks and 3-marks were a bit hard to see.

 

yea, I was working on a software system I wasn't familiar with. I agree the 65% line is extremely hard to see depending on your screen settings. On my PC it's much easier to see on one monitor than the other. To change them would be to re-run all the examples and produce new results. If I end up using R studio for future graphs I'll keep that in mind. 

13Disciple #5 Posted Oct 12 2018 - 14:45

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View PostVulcan_Spectre, on Oct 12 2018 - 08:35, said:

the first bit i was like "mhm" when it got to the EMA stuff i was like "what....?"

 

my hope was that it began to make more sense when you got to the graphs. I hope I didn't lose you in the math!

Vulcan_Spectre #6 Posted Oct 12 2018 - 15:11

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not the math, i got bored at the EMA part thats why i was like "what?"

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View PostVulcan_Spectre, on Oct 12 2018 - 09:11, said:

not the math, i got bored at the EMA part thats why i was like "what?"

 

Life is hard when your reading comprehension and attention span are poor. 

Vulcan_Spectre #8 Posted Oct 12 2018 - 15:23

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View PostCrabEatOff, on Oct 12 2018 - 09:18, said:

 

Life is hard when your reading comprehension and attention span are poor. 

 

+1,

dyslexia and ad/hd dont help too



Grugbug #9 Posted Oct 12 2018 - 15:30

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View PostCrabEatOff, on Oct 12 2018 - 09:18, said:

 

Life is hard when your reading comprehension and attention span are poor. 

 

Sorry, no time to think.



WhineMaker #10 Posted Oct 12 2018 - 17:21

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Much easier to go to Ebay and buy them... :coin:

oddbal1 #11 Posted Oct 17 2018 - 20:30

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View PostCrabEatOff, on Oct 12 2018 - 08:18, said:

 

Life is hard when your reading comprehension and attention span are poor. 

 

I'm beginning to suspect that my reading comprehension is not what it once was.

 

Can someone help me understand this:

 

https://imgur.com/a/a2DV1wy

 

additional info:

https://imgur.com/a/4RgNg6i

 

Although my total average combined damage is 915 which is greater than the current 95% 3rd mark threshold of 890, I only have two marks and I'm at 83.5%.  I have not played the ELC much in the past few months.  Is it that my average of 915 is likely based on games from long ago and they are exponentially minimized?

 

One thing that I struggle with is that my average, over what 5k battles and like 6 or 7 years is clearly over the 3rd mark line, and yet, none of that matters.  I mean people talk about consistency - ok I obviously have done that in the ELC, no?  I guess it is just "what have you done for me lately" in the last two weeks, no?

 

Grandpa Oddbal!

 


Edited by oddbal1, Oct 18 2018 - 03:56.


oddbal1 #12 Posted Oct 17 2018 - 20:50

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View Postoddbal1, on Oct 17 2018 - 13:30, said:

 

I'm beginning to suspect that my reading comprehension is not what it once was.

 

Can someone help me understand this:

 

https://imgur.com/a/a2DV1wy

 

additional info:

https://imgur.com/a/4RgNg6i

 

Although my total average combined damage is 915 which is greater than the current 95% 3rd mark threshold of 890, I only have two marks and I'm at 83.5%.  I have not played the ELC much in the past few months.  Is it that my average of 915 is likely based on games from long ago and they are exponentially minimized?

 

Grandpa Oddbal!

 

 

So I went and played a match:

https://imgur.com/a/66XeC12

 

funny that a game with 1,158 combined damage and a 4,546 wn8 was only worthy of a II class mastery badge (better than only 80% in last seven days).

There went that thought that the competition hasn't been doing well in the ELC lately...

 



oddbal1 #13 Posted Oct 17 2018 - 21:16

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Also, I couldn't remember if you mentioned it in your guide, but... 

 

I just had a reminder that if you TK/damage a friendly, that damage is subtracted from your combined damage/spotting total and negatively impacts your MOE for the match.  (screenshots available if needed)

 

doh!

 

p.s.

He pushed me out of cover because I wasn't "scouting" like a yolo suiscout.  I ended his negative impact on the match...

 



Avalon304 #14 Posted Oct 18 2018 - 04:08

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View Postoddbal1, on Oct 17 2018 - 12:50, said:

 

So I went and played a match:

https://imgur.com/a/66XeC12

 

funny that a game with 1,158 combined damage and a 4,546 wn8 was only worthy of a II class mastery badge (better than only 80% in last seven days).

There went that thought that the competition hasn't been doing well in the ELC lately...

 

 

Mastery Badges are determined by base experience in a tank... not damage. They are also completely separate from the point of this thread: Marks of Excellence.

 

 



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I didn't know that assistance was either tracking or spotting, not both. Learning something now every day. 

 

Does that mean I should be focusing on only one or the either per game when I'm trying to mark a tank?

 

Another question: say I'm a light tank and I'm spotting an enemy, if I track them, does my assistance stay in spotting, or am I now getting both spotting and track, or just tracking?



Zuikakoo #16 Posted Oct 18 2018 - 04:52

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the problem is, the most important thing, and you didn't tell us, what is the "Server Average" for any given tank, the rest of that article is useless.

Avalon304 #17 Posted Oct 18 2018 - 05:12

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View PostGravtech, on Oct 17 2018 - 20:47, said:

I didn't know that assistance was either tracking or spotting, not both. Learning something now every day. 

 

Does that mean I should be focusing on only one or the either per game when I'm trying to mark a tank?

 

Another question: say I'm a light tank and I'm spotting an enemy, if I track them, does my assistance stay in spotting, or am I now getting both spotting and track, or just tracking?

 

Yes,, ideally, you should focus on either spotting or tracking if you happen to be trying to mark a tank and I believe that tracking overrides spotting. Generally whatever the game pops up as the damage happens is what youre getting as assist.



oddbal1 #18 Posted Oct 18 2018 - 05:48

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View PostAvalon304, on Oct 17 2018 - 21:08, said:

 

Mastery Badges are determined by base experience in a tank... not damage. They are also completely separate from the point of this thread: Marks of Excellence.

 

 

 

I get that, Friend, but you obviously know that things like damage, kills, spots, and spotting damage increase the experience, especially in the win that  I carried them too.  no?

 

And you completely missed the point of that post.  I said that "funny that a game with 1,158 combined damage and a 4,546 wn8 was only worthy of a II class mastery badge (better than only 80% in last seven days)."  aka a unicum result only resulted in a base exp that was only worthy of  a II class mastery badge.

 

Or is reading comprehension one of your issues also?

 

 

 


Edited by oddbal1, Oct 18 2018 - 06:10.


oddbal1 #19 Posted Oct 18 2018 - 06:12

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View PostZuikakoo, on Oct 17 2018 - 21:52, said:

the problem is, the most important thing, and you didn't tell us, what is the "Server Average" for any given tank, the rest of that article is useless.

 

It changes daily, when the server reboots

 



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View PostAvalon304, on Oct 17 2018 - 22:12, said:

 

Yes,, ideally, you should focus on either spotting or tracking if you happen to be trying to mark a tank and I believe that tracking overrides spotting. Generally whatever the game pops up as the damage happens is what youre getting as assist.

 

wrong, the MOE formula uses the highest damage of EITHER tracking or spotting.  It has been a point of confusion, but they only take the greatest damage from spotting or tracking.  They do not combine the two.  But if you spot more than you track they use the spotting numbers.  If however, you track and others damage the tank you tracked, and that damage is greater than your spotting damage, they use that number.

 

 

 

 

 

 







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