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DomoSapien #1 Posted Oct 12 2018 - 17:07

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Tankers,


We've got another tank hitting Supertest: the M41D.

 

The M41D is a Chinese variant of the M41 Bulldog, so it will be a tier VIII Premium Light Tank.

Performance-wise: it will be close to the original; the main differences are a slightly better gun, a bit slower acceleration, and a slightly smaller view range.

The vehicle shares the playstyle of other Chinese LTs, which tend trade some mobility for better firepower.

 

Essentially: the same lovable, good old Bulldog: tried and true, with excellent gun depression and solid maneuverability on a hull that is fairly large for a light tank at that tier. The difference here is that this version is more of a damage-dealer than a classic scout.

 

Depending on test results, the stats of the M41D may change.

That's all for now! Best of luck on the battlefield.

 



JLdragon #2 Posted Oct 12 2018 - 17:22

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Yeah, I will definitely be turning that into a wheeled tank when it comes out! 74 kph! Speed Demon!

H0D0R_ #3 Posted Oct 12 2018 - 17:23

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Those stats remind me of a reskinned t92, barring the upped speed. @Domo, what are the shell types?

JLdragon #4 Posted Oct 12 2018 - 17:24

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What is its camo value?

IndygoEEI #5 Posted Oct 12 2018 - 17:39

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View PostJLdragon, on Oct 12 2018 - 11:24, said:

What is its camo value?

 

should be the same as the tech tree one.

nekojima #6 Posted Oct 12 2018 - 17:46

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Would be nice if more of these Prems were available for gold. There needs to be more tech tree Prems. 

General_Lee_Miserable #7 Posted Oct 12 2018 - 17:57

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That thing is terrible compared to the black bulldog. Not even worth it. If you are going to make a near clone to another premium tank, the stats should be similar. 

 

You cannot call a tank a damage dealer at T8 that has a little 170 alpha pew pew gun. 



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I wonder if it will have ROC markings like the Type 64 does...

Mikosah #9 Posted Oct 12 2018 - 18:54

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View PostGeneral_Lee_Miserable, on Oct 12 2018 - 10:57, said:

That thing is terrible compared to the black bulldog. Not even worth it. If you are going to make a near clone to another premium tank, the stats should be similar. 

 

You cannot call a tank a damage dealer at T8 that has a little 170 alpha pew pew gun. 

 

Precisely why the tech tree bulldog is currently doing so poorly. Its silhouette is huge and the camo is bad, which makes for an ineffective scout. And the gun itself isn't nearly strong enough to compensate for this. I actually miss the original version of the bulldog, not for its autoloader but for its single-shot DPM. That tank actually posed a threat if it got on your flank. 

dont_ping_me #10 Posted Oct 12 2018 - 19:42

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This will make a terrible scout. You give it poor view range and poor cammo.

Avalon304 #11 Posted Oct 12 2018 - 22:57

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Looks alright.

ramp4ge #12 Posted Oct 13 2018 - 02:04

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I'd be interested if it were like tier 6..

ToothDecay #13 Posted Oct 13 2018 - 02:10

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no.

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View PostMikosah, on Oct 12 2018 - 09:54, said:

 

Precisely why the tech tree bulldog is currently doing so poorly. Its silhouette is huge and the camo is bad, which makes for an ineffective scout. And the gun itself isn't nearly strong enough to compensate for this. I actually miss the original version of the bulldog, not for its autoloader but for its single-shot DPM. That tank actually posed a threat if it got on your flank. 

 

 

That's kind of the way I feel too. I'd rather they turned the tech tree M41 into a sort of hybrid medium/light. Let it keep it's camo while moving, let it keep it's sight range and (already poor) camo values, buff it's pen to at least 190 if not more on the standard round and give it 1,400 health. 


It's not a typical light tank, it shouldn't be forced to try to play like a typical light tank while at the same time being punished in ways that a typical light tank isn't. 

 

I really want to play it again but in it's current state I wouldn't dare.



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View PostDomoSapien, on Oct 12 2018 - 08:07, said:

The M41D is a Chinese variant of the M41 Bulldog, so it will be a tier VIII Premium Light Tank.

Performance-wise: it will be close to the original; the main differences are a slightly better gun, a bit slower acceleration, and a slightly smaller view range.

The vehicle shares the playstyle of other Chinese LTs, which tend trade some mobility for better firepower.

 

Essentially: the same lovable, good old Bulldog: tried and true, with excellent gun depression and solid maneuverability on a hull that is fairly large for a light tank at that tier. The difference here is that this version is more of a damage-dealer than a classic scout.

 

  • I find what I highlighted in Red to be completely laughable.
  • If these are the top stats on the tank.. then with only 175 /210 Pen. (only 1 measely point above the Tier 6 TD Jackson with top gun) THen this tank does NOT stand a chance vs Tier 10's of any type unless you can Really command this tank like a pro on the battlefield or your spamming Gammo (even with 210 GL)
  • I hope it has a HUGE ammo storage capacity, with only 170 DPS, and just under 4 sec of a reload and ofc vs. Tier X, you will be spamming ALOT Of Gammo just to slowly drain any Tier 8 - 10 Tank.
  • I hope this Tank get some SERIOUS Improvements to the Pen and Damage otherwise its just a moving target that shoots rubber balls at ya.

 

now as far as esthetics go.. It's a cool looking tank and as stated before I might consider a wheeled tank conversion remodel when released for those who are gonna spend the $$ on it.



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View PostJLdragon, on Oct 13 2018 - 12:09, said:

 

If these are the top stats on the tank.. then with only 175 /210 Pen. (only 1 measely point above the Tier 6 TD Jackson with top gun) THen this tank does NOT stand a chance vs Tier 10's of any type unless you can Really command this tank like a pro on the battlefield or your spamming Gammo (even with 210 GL)

 

I mean... this tank is already in game... its the tier 8 US light tank... with exactly this same penetration and damage. And it can do ok, if you know how to play it.



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View PostAvalon304, on Oct 13 2018 - 14:55, said:

 

I mean... this tank is already in game... its the tier 8 US light tank... with exactly this same penetration and damage. And it can do ok, if you know how to play it.

 

Imagine taking the M41 we already have and nerfing its view range to 370m. Does that really sound like a good light tank to you?

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View PostMikosah, on Oct 13 2018 - 15:02, said:

 

Imagine taking the M41 we already have and nerfing its view range to 370m. Does that really sound like a good light tank to you?

 

Yes. It sounds fine. Because the Bulldog has never been about its scouting ability... (it has far to little camo for proper scouting, much like the rest of the US LT line at high tiers), its always been a tiny medium with a good gun. And this tank has an even better gun than the current one:

 

https://www.tracks-u...-supertest-m41d

 

Better DPM. Better ammo layout (APCR/APCR/HE as opposed to the M41's APCR/HEAT/HE). Better gun handling over all (slightly worse vehicle movement and traverse dispersion, but way better aim time and turret traverse dispersion and better base accuracy on top of it). Slightly worse HP/ton than the tech tree Bulldog, but measurably better than the M 41 90mm, with similar terrain resists to the M 41 90mm.

 

When WG says this tank is more of a damage dealer than the other M41 in the tech tree, they arent wrong, its gun is measuarably better in the ways that matter while still keeping the maneuverability that is expected of a Bulldog.



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View PostAvalon304, on Oct 13 2018 - 18:00, said:

 

Yes. It sounds fine. Because the Bulldog has never been about its scouting ability... (it has far to little camo for proper scouting, much like the rest of the US LT line at high tiers), its always been a tiny medium with a good gun. And this tank has an even better gun than the current one:

 

https://www.tracks-u...-supertest-m41d

 

Better DPM. Better ammo layout (APCR/APCR/HE as opposed to the M41's APCR/HEAT/HE). Better gun handling over all (slightly worse vehicle movement and traverse dispersion, but way better aim time and turret traverse dispersion and better base accuracy on top of it). Slightly worse HP/ton than the tech tree Bulldog, but measurably better than the M 41 90mm, with similar terrain resists to the M 41 90mm.

 

When WG says this tank is more of a damage dealer than the other M41 in the tech tree, they arent wrong, its gun is measuarably better in the ways that matter while still keeping the maneuverability that is expected of a Bulldog.

 

These firepower advantages are very subtle. And no, the normal M41 does not have good firepower to begin with. You're correct that the scouting niche is out of the question, but the M41-90 is the only one of the three with the muscle to respectably attempt gunboating instead. The other two have better hp/t ratios, but 20 hp/t was never inadequate. If the M41D is to be a paper medium with only 370m view range (and remember some of the actual same-tier mediums far exceed that value) its going to need at least as much firepower as the M41-90, if not more. And as for the normal M41, I still have trouble seeing it fit either niche. Honestly I wouldn't mind it being bumped back down to 150 alpha if it had something like 2.4k base DPM or whatever that gun used to be in its first iteration.

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View PostJLdragon, on Oct 13 2018 - 11:09, said:

 

  • I find what I highlighted in Red to be completely laughable.
  • If these are the top stats on the tank.. then with only 175 /210 Pen. (only 1 measely point above the Tier 6 TD Jackson with top gun) THen this tank does NOT stand a chance vs Tier 10's of any type unless you can Really command this tank like a pro on the battlefield or your spamming Gammo (even with 210 GL).

 

The Jackson only has 160 pen with it's standard round.







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