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AdmiralDrake #1 Posted Oct 15 2018 - 18:29

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This tank is so broken. This tank has needed a nerf for ages and its better late than never. Lefh needs a nerf too but that isn't researchable like the M44 is and doesn't have stun.

 

I believe this tank needs an overall nerf to its gun and shell characteristics.

 

Tank needs a:

Higher reload

aim time

turret traverse

dispersion

reduction of shell velocity of 30m/s

maybe a decrease of 2-5mm of pen 

 

Its bad to the new player experience to have such an OP SPG that can easily club new players. New players at T4 who are unfortunate to see this beast will get 1 shot. If they aren't 1 shot then they will be smoke within 30s with such a high ROF especially if not carrying a small repair kit.

 

Its been said before and needs to be said again, nerf this broken OP M44. I just hope some WG employee sees this and passes this on because its very discouraging when everything 1 shots you at low tiers and this arty does it with ease. No other arty spells annoyance than a M44 or Lefh at mid tiers

 

If you think this arty is not OP then you must be those M44 players with over 2000 battles in it or that guy who rerolls every other day with a date as the username just to play the M44. Yep must not be OP to play it for that many battles. /s



NiteDog #2 Posted Oct 15 2018 - 18:38

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Op or not, it (arty) has and always will be a broken mechanic in the game.

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*cough* just remove all of em *cough cough hack*

Duqe #4 Posted Oct 15 2018 - 18:44

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View PostNiteDog, on Oct 15 2018 - 18:38, said:

Op or not, it (arty) has and always will be a broken mechanic in the game.

 

Exactly this.

 

When I say "remove artillery", I should addend this with a recent change in mindset. They shouldn't take it out, they should just turn SPGs into a branch of tank destroyers (since those are also SPGs by defintiion) with little armour and large caliber guns. Take away the god vision, but keep the unreasonable radio view range they have now, so they can still shoot at targets from base so long as they have direct line of sight. They will also be able to defend themselves better. And as a result, smaller SPGs like the lefH 105 and FV304 can instead become regular TDs with greater armour and mobility respectively, whereas things like the FV 4005 II and Object 268 V4 could become SPG-line TDs where they suffer harsh mobility nerfs but gain that immense radio view range. 



Youdda #5 Posted Oct 15 2018 - 18:48

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NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KingAuthur #6 Posted Oct 15 2018 - 18:56

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the Russian tank tree is OP to

nobody complain s

amazing



McChaffee #7 Posted Oct 15 2018 - 18:58

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View PostKingAuthur, on Oct 15 2018 - 17:56, said:

the Russian tank tree is OP to

nobody complain s

amazing

 

i'll take "what is the obj 268 v4" for 500

NiteDog #8 Posted Oct 15 2018 - 19:00

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View PostMcChaffee, on Oct 15 2018 - 09:58, said:

 

i'll take "what is the obj 268 v4" for 500

 

Also there have been many complaining about the OBJ257 and Defender. Go Figure

TDRHooRaH #9 Posted Oct 15 2018 - 19:04

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Adapt and overcome.

 

:arta:



Vampiresbane #10 Posted Oct 15 2018 - 19:05

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I actually had a pair of m44's perma track me and kill my full health, 75% repair skill crew, Lowe when I moved 4 feet from around a corner while pushing on Province.

 

Yeah...that was a blast.

That was a good tank with a good crew, tier 8 mind you.  I can't even imagine what a new player with a 75% overall crew in a tier 4 feels like.



BillDing1 #11 Posted Oct 15 2018 - 19:06

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View PostKingAuthur, on Oct 15 2018 - 18:56, said:

the Russian tank tree is OP to

nobody complain s

amazing

 

Fighting ru tanks/ other op tanks isn't super aids

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View PostAdmiralDrake, on Oct 15 2018 - 18:29, said:

This tank is so broken. This tank has needed a nerf for ages and its better late than never. Lefh needs a nerf too but that isn't researchable like the M44 is and doesn't have stun.

 

I believe this tank needs an overall nerf to its gun and shell characteristics.

 

Tank needs a:

Higher reload

aim time

turret traverse

dispersion

reduction of shell velocity of 30m/s

maybe a decrease of 2-5mm of pen 

 

Nerfing everything is just a stupid idea. It's characteristics are decidedly average compared to it's tier mates except in one regard.

 

Reload - seconds best but close to the Su-8 which has higher alpha.

Aim time - Almost tied for best but in the middle for soft stats.

Gun traverse - the only truly big advantage it has over the others.

Dispersion - second worst.

Shell velocity - right in the middle.

Reducing pen even more is just stupid, isn't 50% enough? It's pretty much even with all the others.

It's splash radius is tied for worse outside the Bert which really has none.

It has the second best ammo capacity but I don't think I've ever come close to firing them all. I've never run out in any SPG I've played.

It's mobility is good but again right in the middle.

It's gun elevation is the best by far but it certainly can't hit the places the 304 can even with 20 degrees more.

Not to mention is has the second worst alpha.

 

 What makes it effective is it being so average in everything, it has no glaring weaknesses. The really good gun traverse just lets you take more advantage of not having to move the hull and get those huge blooms, also makes Snap Shot more effective for the M44.

 

TBH, my favorite SPG's I've played so far are the 304 and AMX 13 F3. I have not played the other two lines but I don't like playing slow SPG's.

 

About the only thing I can see them nerfing is the gun traverse otherwise they'll just make it useless.



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IT NEEDS A BUFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!

spud_tuber #14 Posted Oct 15 2018 - 19:13

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While the M44 is OP, it isn't perhaps as OP as you claim.  The O-I and KV-2 are both more OP.  They also have a very strong 1 shot potential vs tier 4s and 5s, and the O-I has very good armor and view range to add to the frustration of newbies trying to play against it in tier 4s.

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Hands out Arty crying towels.

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View PostSyberfly, on Oct 15 2018 - 19:18, said:

Hands out Arty crying towels.

 

The typical griefer response, that comes here to the community to actively delight in people complaining about the aspect which is strictly anti-fun.



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View PostDuqe, on Oct 15 2018 - 12:20, said:

 

The typical griefer response, that comes here to the community to actively delight in people complaining about the aspect which is strictly anti-fun.

 

No. it's just the same rhetoric over and over...Arty is OP, get them out of the game.... It gets old. Just learn were Arty camps and avoid direct fire.

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View PostSyberfly, on Oct 15 2018 - 19:34, said:

 

No. it's just the same rhetoric over and over...Arty is OP, get them out of the game.... It gets old. Just learn were Arty camps and avoid direct fire.

 

Nobody in the game has learned yet, so I'm sure a 48er knows more than the people actually good at the game.

Benjeeh_CA #19 Posted Oct 15 2018 - 20:29

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View PostI_QQ_4_U, on Oct 15 2018 - 10:06, said:

 

 

Nerfing everything is just a stupid idea. It's characteristics are decidedly average compared to it's tier mates except in one regard.

 

Reload - seconds best but close to the Su-8 which has higher alpha.

Aim time - Almost tied for best but in the middle for soft stats.

Gun traverse - the only truly big advantage it has over the others.

Dispersion - second worst.

Shell velocity - right in the middle.

Reducing pen even more is just stupid, isn't 50% enough? It's pretty much even with all the others.

It's splash radius is tied for worse outside the Bert which really has none.

It has the second best ammo capacity but I don't think I've ever come close to firing them all. I've never run out in any SPG I've played.

It's mobility is good but again right in the middle.

It's gun elevation is the best by far but it certainly can't hit the places the 304 can even with 20 degrees more.

Not to mention is has the second worst alpha.

 

 What makes it effective is it being so average in everything, it has no glaring weaknesses. The really good gun traverse just lets you take more advantage of not having to move the hull and get those huge blooms, also makes Snap Shot more effective for the M44.

 

TBH, my favorite SPG's I've played so far are the 304 and AMX 13 F3. I have not played the other two lines but I don't like playing slow SPG's.

 

About the only thing I can see them nerfing is the gun traverse otherwise they'll just make it useless.

 

 

Best reload best gun traverse almost tied for best aim time and average everywhere else what definitely doesnt stand out that's why it's such a common tanks

 

View PostKingAuthur, on Oct 15 2018 - 09:56, said:

the Russian tank tree is OP to

nobody complain s

amazing

 

the KV line says hi, such amazing tanks /sarc  also the regular 268 (not v4)  a44 if I had a techtree in front of me I'm sure I can continue 

StoveBolt54 #20 Posted Oct 15 2018 - 20:34

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My stats are touch better in the AMX 13 F3 than my M44.

 

Can y'all choose the AMX for next months Flavor Of The Month Whine Fest ? 







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