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How to get people to buy the Mauerbrecher. (without making the tank overpowered)

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Poll: Mauerbrecher question poll (19 members have cast votes)

Are Mauerbrechers hard to penetrate in tier 8 premium tanks?

  1. Yes, they are hard to penetrate in my tier 8 premium tanks. (3 votes [15.79%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 15.79%

  2. Yes, but only when i drive non-premium tier 8 tanks. (1 vote [5.26%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

  3. No, They are easy to penetrate in my tier 8 premiums. (1 vote [5.26%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

  4. No, They are easy to penetrate even in my non-premium tier 8 tanks. (14 votes [73.68%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 73.68%

Do you own a Mauerbrecher?

  1. Yes, i do own one. (6 votes [31.58%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 31.58%

  2. No, i do not own one. (13 votes [68.42%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 68.42%

Would you think about buying the Mauerbrecher if it received these changes? (Please answer after you read my proposed changes)

  1. Yes, i would think about it. (5 votes [26.32%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 26.32%

  2. No, i would not think about it. (13 votes [68.42%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 68.42%

  3. F2P or basically F2P players answer here. (1 vote [5.26%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

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Cheshil #1 Posted Oct 29 2018 - 00:46

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Increase hull roof and turret roof armor to 50mm. (from 40mm) Now it matches the VK 100. (and artillery cant penetrate this german heavy tank anymore) yes i said penetrate

Increase the under side armor connected to suspension to 100mm. (from 60mm) Now it matches the VK 100.

Increase track armor to 50mm. (from 40mm) Now it matches the mauschen, they are the same FN tank.

increase the sideskirt armor to 100mm. (from 65mm) The tank is already fatter then the vk100, having less armor there is a bad joke. also the 3d model has 100mm thickness, it was originally supposed to have 100 i am guessing.

Increase all mantlet plates to 230mm. (from 60mm,80mm and 140mm) Why was this tank the only german superheavy to have a mantlet rework? this thing has amx54 syndrome.

Increase rear turret armor to 140mm-160mm. (from 100mm) The VK 100 has 140mm, and a stronger rear hull, at least the turret should match or be greater then the VK, as it has better angles.

Increase tank health to 1,800hp (from 1,700hp) Why does a preferential mm tank (KV 5 1,780hp) have more HP than this moving brick? honestly this buff is debatable

 

What will this do? Make the tank more similar to the vk 100 and make it viable. (oh god this thing can't brawl people who aren't retarded)

What wont this do? Remove any of the intended weakspots. (150mm cupola, 140mm driver and 190mm LFP worse than VK 100)

 

remember this tank has 20KPH top speed with the above weakspots (slow as a maus and meets the maus)

 

I don't need counter-productive comments such as "why worry about this tank, when this tank is worse?", make your own topic.

 


Edited by Cheshil, Nov 06 2018 - 04:42.


Christojojo #2 Posted Oct 29 2018 - 01:00

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If its not overpowered  why would I buy it?

BillDing1 #3 Posted Oct 29 2018 - 01:28

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I feel like the main issues for the mauerbrecher is that it needs to compete with the lowe and it looks slow and boring to play.

YANKEE137 #4 Posted Oct 29 2018 - 01:37

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Super slow tanks need to be super compensated. Because being slow stinks: it's dull, you can't cross open ground under fire and you can't flex to help your team. Mauerbrecher is ugly, can be spotted from the Moon,  and in the current matchmaking it gets riddled by higher tier tanks.

F_O_X_Y #5 Posted Oct 29 2018 - 01:43

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I think people would buy it if they moved the turret back further so it looks more like a Maus.

Cheshil #6 Posted Oct 29 2018 - 02:03

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View PostChristojojo, on Oct 29 2018 - 01:00, said:

If its not overpowered  why would I buy it?

 

Hilarious, i like you. but if i didn't say it wasn't overpowered would you have?/ if WG advertized the buffed mauer stats

Edited by Cheshil, Oct 29 2018 - 02:04.


Cheshil #7 Posted Oct 29 2018 - 02:07

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View PostBillDing1, on Oct 29 2018 - 01:28, said:

I feel like the main issues for the mauerbrecher is that it needs to compete with the lowe and it looks slow and boring to play.

oh yeah, trust me, if these changes were to take place, the thing would be heat immune because of the new spaced armor while sidescraping, can brawl effectively and it can already do better than the lowe in corridors. 



Cheshil #8 Posted Oct 29 2018 - 02:09

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View PostYANKEE137, on Oct 29 2018 - 01:37, said:

Super slow tanks need to be super compensated. Because being slow stinks: it's dull, you can't cross open ground under fire and you can't flex to help your team. Mauerbrecher is ugly, can be spotted from the Moon,  and in the current matchmaking it gets riddled by higher tier tanks.

 

i heavily agree with the slow tank compensation statement. it takes me two minutes to get to battle and for what? to get hit like a pinata. effectively. 

SnakePliskan #9 Posted Oct 29 2018 - 02:11

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View PostCheshil, on Oct 29 2018 - 00:46, said

 

I don't need counter-productive comments such as "why worry about this tank, when this tank is worse?", make your own topic.

 

 

LOL this is priceless.

Cheshil #10 Posted Oct 29 2018 - 02:11

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View PostAlphaQueen, on Oct 29 2018 - 01:43, said:

I think people would buy it if they moved the turret back further so it looks more like a Maus.

 

That would be a nerf, as a mauerbrecher player, i like to play as an e100 would. if the turret was any more of a rear mount, it would be impossible to hide the turret cheeks and cupola.

Edited by Cheshil, Oct 29 2018 - 03:16.


Christojojo #11 Posted Oct 29 2018 - 03:19

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View PostCheshil, on Oct 28 2018 - 20:03, said:

 

Hilarious, i like you. but if i didn't say it wasn't overpowered would you have?/ if WG advertized the buffed mauer stats

 

To be honest I am not buying any unless its worth playing and on sale. And I don't own it already.

Edited by Christojojo, Oct 29 2018 - 03:59.


KingAuthur #12 Posted Oct 29 2018 - 03:45

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if it were a Russian tank

it would be buffed

but since it's german wargaming sold a crummy tank to there customers



docroberts #13 Posted Oct 29 2018 - 14:29

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The Ballbreaker is just a Giant Paperweight that's not worth the money spent to buy it . There are way better viable premium tanks in game . 

Christojojo #14 Posted Oct 30 2018 - 02:53

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I don't see them on the field to often. SO i cant answer the poll.

Panzer254 #15 Posted Oct 30 2018 - 04:40

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would be nice if you could put in game camouflage on it

KingofDragons #16 Posted Oct 30 2018 - 17:58

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Some of the problems are..

 

1) The cheeks are very wide unlike the VK100s...

 

2) The commander hatch is only 150mm ( 220 + ) on VK100..

 

3) Gun mantlet is very wide and only 230mm...

 

This means that the whole front of the turret can be pen with 260 with a 68 to 73 % chance... This is terrible since most vehicle it faces will pen it... Also bring the speed up to 25 to compete or get away..



Cheshil #17 Posted Oct 31 2018 - 00:32

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View PostKingofDragons, on Oct 30 2018 - 10:58, said:

Some of the problems are..

 

1) The cheeks are very wide unlike the VK100s...

I think the cheeks can stay wider than the VK 100, because the VK 100 cannot angle the turret for more armor. the mauer is more comparable to the mauschen

View PostKingofDragons, on Oct 30 2018 - 10:58, said:

2) The commander hatch is only 150mm ( 220 + ) on VK100..

I have zero problems with the minimal armor on the cupola, i never show it to my enemies. plus it is unique how it is so low. tier 6 tanks have a place to penetrate guaranteed if the mauer is in a bad position.

View PostKingofDragons, on Oct 30 2018 - 10:58, said:

3) Gun mantlet is very wide and only 230mm...

I very much agree, all mantlet plates should be 230mm. the side mantlet is only 80mm, when you angle the turret it becomes 130mm. and a weakspot for people who do not even intend to penetrate. all mauschen plates are 240. side mantle isn't weaker than front.

View PostKingofDragons, on Oct 30 2018 - 10:58, said:

This means that the whole front of the turret can be pen with 260 with a 68 to 73 % chance... This is terrible since most vehicle it faces will pen it... Also bring the speed up to 25 to compete or get away..

I disagreed with the tank having more then 230mm front turret armor, because you can angle and get it all up to 270mm (against AP) 280mm (against APCR) 285mm (against HEAT). i have no problem with enemy guns firing at my turret with 250mm-260mm pen guns.

I would say the vehicle hull faces the biggest problems when it comes to 250+ pen guns (excluding driver hatch) and my buff propositions would resolve that...

i disagree with the speed buff. 168 tones shouldn't be faster than 20kph. I already ram t10 for 700 and caern AX for 800.



Cheshil #18 Posted Oct 31 2018 - 08:09

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updated the topic, i added the sideskirt buff and the mantlet buff after staring at the model for a while. these buffs only seemed logical.

The_Ice_Cream_Man_ #19 Posted Nov 01 2018 - 10:37

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if they gave it vk 100 p armor people would buy it, as is currently, its a pos with all the weakspots and thin turret.

 

people are not stupid, they watch youtube vids and see if the tanks any good before buying it.  As is, the mauerbrecher is a POS.

 

also if you ask any mauerbrecher owner should i buy it, they will say no.



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View PostCheshil, on Oct 28 2018 - 17:11, said:

 

That would be a nerf, as a mauerbrecher player, i like to play as an e100 would. if the turret was any more of a rear mount, it would be impossible to hide the turret cheeks and cupola.

 

Yes, but it's uglier with the turret on the front.  xD





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