Jump to content


MM Fairness


  • Please log in to reply
21 replies to this topic

Stendahl1 #1 Posted Nov 07 2018 - 16:42

    Corporal

  • -Players-
  • 14592 battles
  • 51
  • Member since:
    07-27-2015

For the many of us who enjoy playing tanks lower than Tier 10, all know how brutal it is to battle higher Tier Tanks.  Like stupid me - who believed the German line would be a good choice - what a disappointment!  Playing a Tiger II against ANY tank in Tier 9 / 10 is horrible.  LT and MT eat it for lunch!

IF all is FAIR per Tier, (realize Autoloaders are definitely Unfair), and WG (MM) should provide Games for just (1) tier!  Fix the Game, so it is Fun for ALL... not just for the players who dominate most games playing the Best Tier 10 Tanks!!!

Key Points: adding better and better tanks to raise $ is fine for business, but that makes most player’s tanks OBSOLETE!  Idea: Provide more existing tank options to buy then, like a 128mm for Tiger II to compensate for a 1970’s tank being added!  Make the game Fair & Fun for 90%, not for just the 10%!

Please make (1 Tier) battles before 2020!

 



_Tsavo_ #2 Posted Nov 07 2018 - 16:45

    Major

  • Players
  • 42337 battles
  • 17,414
  • [PBKAC] PBKAC
  • Member since:
    02-16-2011
1 tier battles would be too easy. 

Deputy276 #3 Posted Nov 07 2018 - 16:47

    Major

  • Players
  • 19065 battles
  • 5,422
  • [3_NZ] 3_NZ
  • Member since:
    06-17-2013

View PostStendahl1, on Nov 07 2018 - 09:42, said:

For the many of us who enjoy playing tanks lower than Tier 10, all know how brutal it is to battle higher Tier Tanks.  Like stupid me - who believed the German line would be a good choice - what a disappointment!  Playing a Tiger II against ANY tank in Tier 9 / 10 is horrible.  LT and MT eat it for lunch!

IF all is FAIR per Tier, (realize Autoloaders are definitely Unfair), and WG (MM) should provide Games for just (1) tier!  Fix the Game, so it is Fun for ALL... not just for the players who dominate most games playing the Best Tier 10 Tanks!!!

Key Points: adding better and better tanks to raise $ is fine for business, but that makes most player’s tanks OBSOLETE!  Idea: Provide more existing tank options to buy then, like a 128mm for Tiger II to compensate for a 1970’s tank being added!  Make the game Fair & Fun for 90%, not for just the 10%!

Please make (1 Tier) battles before 2020!

 

You already have a fantasy gun with the 105MM. And it is more than adequate to fight upper tiers with. Stop going after the hardest tanks in the game and concentrate on killing mediums and TDs. Use Premium ammo. Learn how to angle and use your armor. If you desperately need a 128MM gun on a German tank, get the VK100.01P. But I have a newsflash for you, you will be spending a LOT of credits spamming gold if you intend on going tier 9-10 hunting. 



Dockmaster #4 Posted Nov 07 2018 - 16:49

    Major

  • Beta Testers
  • 42843 battles
  • 5,314
  • [ACES] ACES
  • Member since:
    01-23-2011

I don't believe the NA server has the number of players required to ensure 1 tier MM. My understanding is the MM is designed for the higher player counts on the RU and EU servers.

 

Having said that I think we should support an achievable goal of 5/10 with a two tier spread. I find myself enjoying these 5/10 matches over the 3/5/7 games.



Deputy276 #5 Posted Nov 07 2018 - 16:54

    Major

  • Players
  • 19065 battles
  • 5,422
  • [3_NZ] 3_NZ
  • Member since:
    06-17-2013

View PostDockmaster, on Nov 07 2018 - 09:49, said:

I don't believe the NA server has the number of players required to ensure 1 tier MM. My understanding is the MM is designed for the higher player counts on the RU and EU servers.

 

Having said that I think we should support an achievable goal of 5/10 with a two tier spread. I find myself enjoying these 5/10 matches over the 3/5/7 games.

 

7 tier 8 tanks to destroy. That works for me.

Gothraul #6 Posted Nov 07 2018 - 16:54

    Major

  • -Players-
  • 2061 battles
  • 4,820
  • Member since:
    11-17-2014

View Post_Tsavo_, on Nov 07 2018 - 16:45, said:

1 tier battles would be too easy. 

 

Not so much as playing against high performance premiums can be a struggle at times should the opposing players be decent to very good though +1/-1 is often seen as the sweet spot by many as being bottom tier 90% of the time is a cluster Edit unless playing sky cancer.

MacDaddyMatty #7 Posted Nov 07 2018 - 16:55

    Major

  • -Players-
  • 27607 battles
  • 6,543
  • [D-DAY] D-DAY
  • Member since:
    10-07-2016

DO NOT BRAWL in any tiger, unless you are 2 tiers up.

Tigers are support tanks.

Play the close support or middle game, and use that gun to punish everywhere from the middle of the map.


 

As the game winds down, use that HP pool to clean up at close range.


 



Backfire_ #8 Posted Nov 07 2018 - 17:00

    Major

  • Players
  • 28086 battles
  • 2,001
  • [X-OUT] X-OUT
  • Member since:
    03-08-2013

View PostMacDaddyMatty, on Nov 07 2018 - 10:55, said:

DO NOT BRAWL in any tiger, unless you are 2 tiers up.

Tigers are support tanks.

Play the close support or middle game, and use that gun to punish everywhere from the middle of the map.


 

As the game winds down, use that HP pool to clean up at close range.


 

 

^ What Mac said.  Tiger's guns are very solid so they're not going to be as bad under-tiered as some other tanks actually.  You'll die horribly if you try to brawl against even same tiered brawling heavies much less a higher tiered one.

Deputy276 #9 Posted Nov 07 2018 - 17:02

    Major

  • Players
  • 19065 battles
  • 5,422
  • [3_NZ] 3_NZ
  • Member since:
    06-17-2013

View PostMacDaddyMatty, on Nov 07 2018 - 09:55, said:

DO NOT BRAWL in any tiger, unless you are 2 tiers up.

Tigers are support tanks.

Play the close support or middle game, and use that gun to punish everywhere from the middle of the map.


 

As the game winds down, use that HP pool to clean up at close range.


 

 

Actually, Tiger II makes an excellent sniper at long range. That way you don't have to constantly angle your tank. But the team will be constantly yelling at you. Just turn off chat. :)

RF_Van #10 Posted Nov 07 2018 - 17:11

    Major

  • Players
  • 10768 battles
  • 2,048
  • Member since:
    04-13-2013

View PostDeputy276, on Nov 07 2018 - 07:54, said:

 

7 tier 8 tanks to destroy. That works for me.

 

It would work for me with if it was only say, one out of every three games, but not when it is 70% or more of your games. The issue is not just about being bottom tier, it is the frequency at which you are bottom tier. It is just way too often under the current MM imo.

Deputy276 #11 Posted Nov 07 2018 - 17:17

    Major

  • Players
  • 19065 battles
  • 5,422
  • [3_NZ] 3_NZ
  • Member since:
    06-17-2013

View PostRF_Van, on Nov 07 2018 - 10:11, said:

 

It would work for me with if it was only say, one out of every three games, but not when it is 70% or more of your games. The issue is not just about being bottom tier, it is the frequency at which you are bottom tier. It is just way too often under the current MM imo.

 

What possible difference does that make? You have SEVEN tier 8 tanks in every 3/5/7 match to engage. You only have THREE tier 10 tanks. Is math really that hard nowadays? Is it that difficult to avoid THREE tier 10 tanks???

Edited by Deputy276, Nov 07 2018 - 17:18.


MacDaddyMatty #12 Posted Nov 07 2018 - 17:19

    Major

  • -Players-
  • 27607 battles
  • 6,543
  • [D-DAY] D-DAY
  • Member since:
    10-07-2016

View PostDeputy276, on Nov 07 2018 - 11:02, said:

 

Actually, Tiger II makes an excellent sniper at long range. That way you don't have to constantly angle your tank. But the team will be constantly yelling at you. Just turn off chat. :)

 

You're wasting your tanks potential playing as a TD...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh35WlPhIRo


Edited by MacDaddyMatty, Nov 07 2018 - 17:24.


Hellsfog #13 Posted Nov 07 2018 - 17:25

    Major

  • Players
  • 34547 battles
  • 5,205
  • [_SF_] _SF_
  • Member since:
    06-22-2011

I think "fairness" in this context means, "I'm a wehraboo and all German tanks should be uber just like they are in all wehraboo stories."

 

View PostGothraul, on Nov 07 2018 - 10:54, said:

 

Not so much as playing against high performance premiums can be a struggle at times should the opposing players be decent to very good though +1/-1 is often seen as the sweet spot by many as being bottom tier 90% of the time is a cluster Edit unless playing sky cancer.

 

If Wg started +/- 1 MM today, players would complain about being bottom tier tomorrow. 

 

 



MacDaddyMatty #14 Posted Nov 07 2018 - 17:32

    Major

  • -Players-
  • 27607 battles
  • 6,543
  • [D-DAY] D-DAY
  • Member since:
    10-07-2016

View PostStendahl1, on Nov 07 2018 - 10:42, said:

(realize Autoloaders are definitely Unfair)

 

 

No, they are not.

Please convince me otherwise.


 



Backfire_ #15 Posted Nov 07 2018 - 17:34

    Major

  • Players
  • 28086 battles
  • 2,001
  • [X-OUT] X-OUT
  • Member since:
    03-08-2013

View PostMacDaddyMatty, on Nov 07 2018 - 11:32, said:

 

No, they are not.

Please convince me otherwise.


 

 

Automated loaders are taking away blue collar loader work.  Soon we will have to order shells from amazon.  So there :trollface:

RF_Van #16 Posted Nov 07 2018 - 17:35

    Major

  • Players
  • 10768 battles
  • 2,048
  • Member since:
    04-13-2013

View PostDeputy276, on Nov 07 2018 - 08:17, said:

 

What possible difference does that make? You have SEVEN tier 8 tanks in every 3/5/7 match to engage. You only have THREE tier 10 tanks. Is math really that hard nowadays? Is it that difficult to avoid THREE tier 10 tanks???

 As I said imo it would make a lot of difference, and just because you feel that way does not mean the rest of us have to. Speaking as a paying customer, I would definitely prefer not to be bottom tier in a 3-5-7 scenario 70% or more of the time. But since you seem to enjoy it so much maybe WG should implement a system where players like you who do want that type of MM get to do it more often than the rest of us. That would work for me.



MacDaddyMatty #17 Posted Nov 07 2018 - 17:50

    Major

  • -Players-
  • 27607 battles
  • 6,543
  • [D-DAY] D-DAY
  • Member since:
    10-07-2016

View PostBackfire_, on Nov 07 2018 - 11:34, said:

 

Automated loaders are taking away blue collar loader work.  Soon we will have to order shells from amazon.  So there :trollface:

 

+1

 

:)



Almighty_Johnson #18 Posted Nov 07 2018 - 18:05

    Captain

  • -Players-
  • 22282 battles
  • 1,899
  • [D-DAY] D-DAY
  • Member since:
    11-10-2014

View PostRF_Van, on Nov 07 2018 - 11:35, said:

 As I said imo it would make a lot of difference, and just because you feel that way does not mean the rest of us have to. Speaking as a paying customer, I would definitely prefer not to be bottom tier in a 3-5-7 scenario 70% or more of the time. But since you seem to enjoy it so much maybe WG should implement a system where players like you who do want that type of MM get to do it more often than the rest of us. That would work for me.

 

I'm just gonna continue to scoop up XP and credits for damaging higher tier vehicles.....

3,5,7 is no skin off my neck.  Adapt.

:B



RF_Van #19 Posted Nov 07 2018 - 18:20

    Major

  • Players
  • 10768 battles
  • 2,048
  • Member since:
    04-13-2013

View PostAlmighty_Johnson, on Nov 07 2018 - 09:05, said:

 

I'm just gonna continue to scoop up XP and credits for damaging higher tier vehicles.....

3,5,7 is no skin off my neck.  Adapt.

:B

 

I definitely would prefer to not be bottom tier in a 3-5-7 scenario 70% or more of the time. You have your opinion and I have mine.

MacDaddyMatty #20 Posted Nov 07 2018 - 18:33

    Major

  • -Players-
  • 27607 battles
  • 6,543
  • [D-DAY] D-DAY
  • Member since:
    10-07-2016

View PostRF_Van, on Nov 07 2018 - 12:20, said:

 

I definitely would prefer to not be bottom tier in a 3-5-7 scenario 70% or more of the time. You have your opinion and I have mine.

 

Currently I'm grinding XP and find that bottom tier = much better XP for much less work.

YMMV






1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users