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theSparatan117 #1 Posted Nov 08 2018 - 14:08

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The Pershing... is totally ready for surprise snoo snoo.

 

In all seirousness though, why hasn't the Pershing been given some love over the course of the past 6-8 patches?

  • 6.7 Sec Reload time
  • .35 Dispersion with top gun, .34 with BiA crew, .33 with Food.... or you can skip the BiA crew and just run food and it'll still go down to .33. Vents do nothing.
  • 190 Pen at Tier 8... which sees Tier X almost 80% of the time.... always be sure to bring at least 60% gold fellers... you will have a 25% chance of hitting where you aim... might as well make it count.
  • Armor that is really only effective against Tier 6

But at least it's got ...

  • 10 degrees of gun depression
  • Decent camo
  • Almost max view range

Kiss that Camo goodbye once you take a shot though.

 

I guess it'd be tolerable if it were to get a dispersion and DPS buff ... but that pen is just so bad...

Idk, I guess I'll just grind through it and toss it in the garage. I had high hopes for it seeing as how good the freedom pershing is ... but... it's premium counter part is better in almost every way. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



deadizdead #2 Posted Nov 08 2018 - 14:16

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They didn't want your grind for the Patton to be easy. Maybe you'd even throw them some rubles, and add a SuperPershing to your arsenal....either way...my grind halted at the Pershing 3 years ago. I agree with you, and until they make it tolerable, I won't be grinding that line further. I opted for the T26E4. At least try to have fun with your grind, if you choose to suffer through it. Soldier on.

 

<O



JEDI_RespectingWhamen #3 Posted Nov 08 2018 - 14:21

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There's nothing wrong with the Pershing. It's decently mobile with ok armor and a decent gun.  It's your standard tier 8 medium with a 90mm gun. The pen for the pershing is perfectly fine as well and the premium ammo is really good at 268 mm of pen which is much better than any of the russian tanks. 

Edited by JEDI_RespectingWhamen, Nov 08 2018 - 14:23.


That1Villain #4 Posted Nov 08 2018 - 14:45

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Pershing is an all round tank, as is the entire US tech tree. It's got a lot of flexibility that most tanks wish they had. That being said however I think it could use a dpm buff for only having a 90mm gun at t8, while most other mediums are sporting larger caliber guns (russian/chinese) or have better gun stats (germans/british).

I_QQ_4_U #5 Posted Nov 08 2018 - 14:57

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I don't have a problem with the pen it's actually hitting what you aim at that's the problem.

 

And what does it have to do with arty???


Edited by I_QQ_4_U, Nov 08 2018 - 14:58.


MeMeBigBoi #6 Posted Nov 08 2018 - 15:30

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Wait what does this have to do with arty?

TDRHooRaH #7 Posted Nov 08 2018 - 15:33

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View PostI_QQ_4_U, on Nov 08 2018 - 08:57, said:

I don't have a problem with the pen it's actually hitting what you aim at that's the problem.

 

And what does it have to do with arty???

 

View PostMeMeBigBoi, on Nov 08 2018 - 09:30, said:

Wait what does this have to do with arty?

 

Just click bait I guess.

atila_xD #8 Posted Nov 08 2018 - 15:37

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Honestly the main selling point is the fact that the damage requirement for purple is uber low

Fireplace4 #9 Posted Nov 08 2018 - 15:44

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I loved the Pershing, got my second mark without trying for it. I played it as a ridgeline warrior/ flanking pocket heavy. It's got decent mobility, great snap shot capabilities, and the armor works sometimes. Mostly use hills to hide your tank and only peek out to shoot, no need to wait and aim if you're at mid to short range

Almighty_Johnson #10 Posted Nov 08 2018 - 15:54

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I'm grinding the line, just got the top gear for it, and so far I really like it.  Typical American, good gun depression, bouncy turret, pretty mobile.  Nothing spectacular, but not a bad tank.  Super P is better, but not by much.

 

And -1 OP for the click bait title.  Nice Troll.:trollface:

Shame!



SwollenOstrich #11 Posted Nov 08 2018 - 16:03

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Pershing is just fine. Not an exciting tank, but just fine.

 

If you hate it, take advantage of the Medium Tank Back to School missions and get an extra 10K XP per day on it for the rest of the month. You could be done with it before Thanksgiving.



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View PostThat1Villain, on Nov 08 2018 - 14:45, said:

Pershing is an all round tank, as is the entire US tech tree. It's got a lot of flexibility that most tanks wish they had. That being said however I think it could use a dpm buff for only having a 90mm gun at t8, while most other mediums are sporting larger caliber guns (russian/chinese) or have better gun stats (germans/british).

 

I would agree with that, with the exception of the fact that while German mediums with the 88/90 have better stats, the soft stats, weak turrets, and obscene size really screws them.  There is a reason why nobody complains about the Panther 88, Panther II, or the Indien Panzer being OP.

dunniteowl #13 Posted Nov 08 2018 - 16:34

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View PostI_QQ_4_U, on Nov 08 2018 - 07:57, said:

I don't have a problem with the pen it's actually hitting what you aim at that's the problem.

 

And what does it have to do with arty???

 

View PostMeMeBigBoi, on Nov 08 2018 - 08:30, said:

Wait what does this have to do with arty?

 

Yup, this.  Gr8 Clk B8 M8.

 

And as for the 'detailed' breakdown?  SMH Fail, from my perspective.  Someone isn't doing as well as they think they should in it and BAM!  Rant On!

Makes me want one that much more.  Of course, I will slowly get there.

 

 

OvO



Commit_HESHpacito #14 Posted Nov 08 2018 - 17:04

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View Postatila_xD, on Nov 08 2018 - 09:37, said:

Honestly the main selling point is the fact that the damage requirement for purple is uber low

 

Ap3

BlackFive #15 Posted Nov 08 2018 - 17:42

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Persh is one of the original 3 Nation tanks.  It's literally the 'US Tank Stereotype' (great view range, strong turret with great gun depression, fairly accurate gun with moderate pen and moderate alpha, weak hull, mediocre maneuverability, average camo).  Where the RU tanks are constantly modified to be competitive in whatever meta WG is pushing at any given time - some of the old original tanks have been left behind.

 

By way of example: the 'RU Tank Stereotype' was excellent maneuverability and camo, poor view range and gun depression, inaccurate but high alpha gun, and good all around armor. 

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Ask yourself how many of the RU lines' supposed weaknesses are still in the game.



Hurk #16 Posted Nov 08 2018 - 18:21

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ITs become that over time with buffs. it was originally just a giant turd with good view range and gun control. 

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Say hello to my M12. 

theSparatan117 #18 Posted Nov 08 2018 - 19:52

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View PostI_QQ_4_U, on Nov 08 2018 - 08:57, said:

And what does it have to do with arty???

 

View PostMeMeBigBoi, on Nov 08 2018 - 09:30, said:

Wait what does this have to do with arty?

 

View PostTDRHooRaH, on Nov 08 2018 - 09:33, said:

View PostI_QQ_4_U, on Nov 08 2018 - 08:57, said:

I don't have a problem with the pen it's actually hitting what you aim at that's the problem.

 

And what does it have to do with arty???

 

View PostMeMeBigBoi, on Nov 08 2018 - 09:30, said:

Wait what does this have to do with arty?

 

Just click bait I guess.

 

View Postdunniteowl, on Nov 08 2018 - 10:34, said:

View PostI_QQ_4_U, on Nov 08 2018 - 07:57, said:

I don't have a problem with the pen it's actually hitting what you aim at that's the problem.

 

And what does it have to do with arty???

 

View PostMeMeBigBoi, on Nov 08 2018 - 08:30, said:

Wait what does this have to do with arty?

 

Yup, this.  Gr8 Clk B8 M8.

 

And as for the 'detailed' breakdown?  SMH Fail, from my perspective.  Someone isn't doing as well as they think they should in it and BAM!  Rant On!

Makes me want one that much more.  Of course, I will slowly get there.

 

 

OvO

 

:D:D:D

I know you guys are always looking to "fight for Arty's rights!" So I had to trip some of you up ... looks like it worked hahaha

Also, the first sentence technically was the secret ... so it wasn't totally clickbait.... the Pershing has a very weak upper deck and will generally lose about half of it's HP from a direct arty shell.

 

I had a T92 take out 3 crew members this morning from a single hit. Survived with half my health remaining, but still... pretty much dead at that point. I'm not complaining though... just a [edited] player ... he kept focusing the easy to damage tanks the entire game and the heavy tanks rofl stomped theirs which ended the game in about 6 minutes or so.. Just another example of how badly a bad player can hurt a team by doing ineffective damage.... but that's a rant for another day.

 

As for the detailed breakdown, no... I'm doing fine with it, and in fact most games I go credit positive... which isn't easy to do with 210-230 alpha per hit... if it pens... If you're facing off against a Tier X... you can pretty much forget about ever having a chance of penning anywhere... the JPE100 is literally only pennable if you have a side shot into it's turret housing... and if it has any sort of angle at all, you better load gold.

I'm not saying the tank isn't playable, but it's a major step backwards after coming off the T20 which is an incredibly fun tank to play... most of your shots go where you shoot and almost all of them pen... plus it has GREAT cammo... which... can't be said of the Pershing. The idea of grinding up a line is that you should grind all the components of a tank and it should be fun once the tank has everything unlocked... but because this tank is so old, and almost everything around it has been power creeped... it's just simply not that much fun to play. Also doesn't help that it sees Tier X the majority of the time, and if you're one of the last few people left on the team, you essentially become a scout, because you have no chance in hell of penning anything ... You can't even pen a T-62/Obj140 in the lower plate head on... lol

 

People are so quick to judge on here that everyone that comes on here is a cry baby... and of those opinions, many of them are outdated... I had some friends re-buy the Pershing after both of their opinions on it were "that's a great tank though!" ... and they came back saying... "wow ... this thing isn't nearly as good as I remember". I think a lot of your opinions are outdated... and you should go play the tank for 20 or 30 rounds. With the current meta, 210 alpha in a hit isn't a determent to anyone and they'll happily charge you knowing that you have an extremely long reload time for a very weak shot... if it weren't for all the extra HP the tank has, it probably wouldn't even be worth playing.

Anyways, Just came to state my thoughts on it. I'm gonna continue grinding through it but... it's definitely no where near as fun as the T20... I'll probably throw the pershing in the garage without a crew and continue playing the T20.



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View Postdeadizdead, on Nov 08 2018 - 07:16, said:

They didn't want your grind for the Patton to be easy. Maybe you'd even throw them some rubles, and add a SuperPershing to your arsenal....either way...my grind halted at the Pershing 3 years ago. I agree with you, and until they make it tolerable, I won't be grinding that line further. I opted for the T26E4. At least try to have fun with your grind, if you choose to suffer through it. Soldier on.

 

<O

 

I've played much worse tanks to get to much worse tanks.

 

Tier 9 Patton is awesome.  Pershing is good enough to grind for it.



JEDI_RespectingWhamen #20 Posted Nov 08 2018 - 21:13

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Tbh none of the tanks of that line are actually unplayable and most of them are really good. From tier 3 to tier 10, there isn't a bad tank  (no the m3 lee is not a bad tank).




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