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Trauglodyte #21 Posted Nov 08 2018 - 21:04

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View PostNorse_Knight, on Nov 08 2018 - 20:55, said:

 

Very true. They have purposefully thrown balance off and simply passed the mantle of OP tank to the next. More than likely this is just to get people to grind a new line thus buy gold/premium time. They have access to all the stats like we do on vbaddict and the T110E5 is right next to the Leopard 1 in winrate. Look at the Object 268 V4. They knowingly released an obvious OP tank on a line that had little attention before. Its all intended. 

 

The domino effect really negatively impacts balance.  Case in point, you could argue that the pre-buff IS-7 was adequately in-line with the tier 10 T-10, Maus, Conqueror, E100, etc.  Then, they buffed the IS-7 which made the rest of the tanks "less".  From there, they shifted the T-10 and Conqueror down and added the Object 277 and the Super Conqueror.  The 277 was a minute upgrade to the de-tiered T-10 while the Super Conqueror just outshines the Conqueror.  Meanwhile, Chinese 5A and 111-4, which are marginally equals to the 277 and T-10, are blowing equal tiers away and any tank that was released 2+ years ago are left collecting dust and rust.  There was a point in time when the Tiger II was a good tank, even against its +2 tier peers.  Now, how do you operate in an extremely old and unbuffed tank against a field of new +2 tier tanks that exceed to power levels of their older peers?

 

It is all fine and good that all tier 10 tanks are rocks.  But, it is a problem when you compare the group, of which all were fist sized rocks, to new rocks that are the size of small children.  Yes, they're still rocks but the size, weight, etc. properties are out of scope.



Case_N_Point #22 Posted Nov 08 2018 - 21:38

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Yeah I wish they would do something about the T110E5.  Tank used to be amazing and now...it's not.  Just another tier 10 starting to become obsolete unless they buff frontal hull, increase fire rate or increase damage per shot.

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View PostRottax, on Nov 08 2018 - 17:53, said:

They need to fix power creep and buff/level the playing field for all tank lines that got left behind. The E5 could use 50 more damage per shot with maybe 10 sec reload. Move engine hp from 875 to 950. Give it 10 more pen to AP and 5 more pen to APCR. Give 10 mm armor back to weak spots. These changes might not make it great but it would be enough for me to want it.

Just which E5 are you talking about. The T26E5 is fine where it is. It is one of those tanks you can play like a Medium with a weight and speed disorder kinda like the tier 6 American Heavy Tank the M6.

How ever if it is the T110E5 then I agree completely agree that it needs some love espically to the cupola being the biggest weakspot and basically impossible to hide



EmperorJuliusCaesar #24 Posted Nov 09 2018 - 04:36

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View Postmoogleslam, on Nov 09 2018 - 00:20, said:

View PostDevil__Anse, on Nov 08 2018 - 12:55, said:

the commander's hatch doesn't need to go back to pre-nerf levels but it sure as hell needs a buff

 

I'd say that's exactly what needs to happen.  Remove the entire nerf from that patch, and it would be competitive again.  Power creep would have made that version of it balanced in today's game.

 

It IS competitive.  WG even used it in their new "How to block damage" video.  And it did great.  Before the nerf it was a brainless tank and was Over-Performing....OP.  Now it takes a brain to play it and that's a good thing.  It's a heavy, NOT a super-heavy.



BEASTY_BUCKEYE #25 Posted Nov 09 2018 - 04:52

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View PostEmperorJuliusCaesar, on Nov 09 2018 - 03:36, said:

 

It IS competitive.  WG even used it in their new "How to block damage" video.  And it did great.  Before the nerf it was a brainless tank and was Over-Performing....OP.  Now it takes a brain to play it and that's a good thing.  It's a heavy, NOT a super-heavy.

 

Hard to take your advice when you don't even have a T110E5.  Not sure what your smoking, But the tank is obsolete and it needs some love.

commander42 #26 Posted Nov 09 2018 - 05:29

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it doesn't need all that extra stuff, it just needs that dumb cupola fixed.  Thicken the armor by ~40mm in every spot on it and it would be balanced again.  It would be allowed to do something at least, right now it is crappy.

commander42 #27 Posted Nov 09 2018 - 05:32

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View PostEmperorJuliusCaesar, on Nov 08 2018 - 22:36, said:

 

It IS competitive.  WG even used it in their new "How to block damage" video.  And it did great.  Before the nerf it was a brainless tank and was Over-Performing....OP.  Now it takes a brain to play it and that's a good thing.  It's a heavy, NOT a super-heavy.

 

how does it being a WG video show ANYTHING about if the tank is competitive or not? :facepalm:


right now it doesn't even work as a heavy, it is only relatively useful as a medium. Its the worst heavy at the tier.

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View PostBEASTY_BUCKEYE, on Nov 09 2018 - 10:52, said:

 

Hard to take your advice when you don't even have a T110E5.  Not sure what your smoking, But the tank is obsolete and it needs some love.

 

The last time it's stats were posted, it was right in the middle of the pack.  That is competitive, not obsolete.  It's just no longer the mindless clubber tank that it used to be, not should it be.

 

View Postcommander42, on Nov 09 2018 - 11:32, said:

 

how does it being a WG video show ANYTHING about if the tank is competitive or not? :facepalm:


right now it doesn't even work as a heavy, it is only relatively useful as a medium. Its the worst heavy at the tier.

 

Well it shows the tank being played as it should be, with a brain, and shows that it can reliably bounce many shots while doing so.   It's no longer the brainless clubber tank that it was and nor should it be.  Again, he last time it's stats were posted, it was right in the middle of the pack.  That is competitive.



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T110E5 is fine. It doesnt need to be changed.

Norse_Knight #30 Posted Nov 09 2018 - 12:16

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View PostEmperorJuliusCaesar, on Nov 09 2018 - 05:38, said:

 

The last time it's stats were posted, it was right in the middle of the pack.  That is competitive, not obsolete.  It's just no longer the mindless clubber tank that it used to be, not should it be.

 

 

Well it shows the tank being played as it should be, with a brain, and shows that it can reliably bounce many shots while doing so.   It's no longer the brainless clubber tank that it was and nor should it be.  Again, he last time it's stats were posted, it was right in the middle of the pack.  That is competitive.

 

Go look at the current winrate on vbaddict. 3rd to last, right above the leopard 1. If that's what you call competitive then sure. Things have changed and power creep has taken its toll. For those of you who wont go look its winrate is 45%

Edited by Norse_Knight, Nov 09 2018 - 12:18.


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View Postcommander42, on Nov 08 2018 - 21:29, said:

it doesn't need all that extra stuff, it just needs that dumb cupola fixed.  Thicken the armor by ~40mm in every spot on it and it would be balanced again.  It would be allowed to do something at least, right now it is crappy.

it doesnt need to be thicker, it needs to be altered to be a beak again, so most of it is troll, and the actual area it can be penned is cut down to a reasonable size. 



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View PostAvalon304, on Nov 09 2018 - 06:48, said:

T110E5 is fine. It doesnt need to be changed.

 

I don't play it or anything from the non-German tech tree above tier 6 so I can't speak to how it plays.  What I can speak to is how I play against it, which is always predicated upon the quality of teammates.  In a world where you're either a short range hull down monster or you're little people, an easily shot and penned tumor on top, when all of those afore mentioned tanks don't have such easy to hit targets, is problematic.  Again, none of that really matters when tier 10 medium tank premium ammo just goes through all non-Russian/Chinese turret faces.  But, I'd argue that 'fine' is a relative term - is it fine but still lacking or is it 100% on par with equal tier heavies that play in a similar more speed less armor heavy tank?

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View PostHurk, on Nov 09 2018 - 10:11, said:

it doesnt need to be thicker, it needs to be altered to be a beak again, so most of it is troll, and the actual area it can be penned is cut down to a reasonable size.

 

the game needs LESS troll armor not more.

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View PostEmperorJuliusCaesar, on Nov 08 2018 - 23:38, said:

 

The last time it's stats were posted, it was right in the middle of the pack.  That is competitive, not obsolete.  It's just no longer the mindless clubber tank that it used to be, not should it be.

 

 

Well it shows the tank being played as it should be, with a brain, and shows that it can reliably bounce many shots while doing so.   It's no longer the brainless clubber tank that it was and nor should it be.  Again, he last time it's stats were posted, it was right in the middle of the pack.  That is competitive.

 

reliably bounce shots unless of course the enemy has a brain and shoots the gigantic weakpoint that you cant hide.  No tank should be played like that.  Its stats are near the bottom, especially for heavies, that is not competitive.

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View PostEmperorJuliusCaesar, on Nov 09 2018 - 04:38, said:

 

The last time it's stats were posted, it was right in the middle of the pack.  That is competitive, not obsolete.  It's just no longer the mindless clubber tank that it used to be, not should it be.

 

 

Well it shows the tank being played as it should be, with a brain, and shows that it can reliably bounce many shots while doing so.   It's no longer the brainless clubber tank that it was and nor should it be.  Again, he last time it's stats were posted, it was right in the middle of the pack.  That is competitive.

 

I'm not even sure why you are even here posting your opinion. When you have never even played a single battle in a T110E5. You have no clue what you are even talking about. You are basing your opinion off a WG video, really dude.  And just for your info it was never a mindless clubber tank like you state.  How ever it is a 45% obsolete tank. That ether needs some love or retired and replaced with something more in line with today's meta.  That is if, this is the direction that WG is going to go with there game. Small weak spots and high alpha guns.  WG can live in there make believe world of thinking, that America would bring a 45% heavy tank to the battle field all they want. But we all know that that would never happen in real life. 

Edited by BEASTY_BUCKEYE, Nov 09 2018 - 23:37.


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View Postcommander42, on Nov 09 2018 - 13:38, said:

the game needs LESS troll armor not more.

it would still be twice the size of most hat weakspots at tier 10



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View PostTrauglodyte, on Nov 09 2018 - 10:51, said:

 

I don't play it or anything from the non-German tech tree above tier 6 so I can't speak to how it plays.  What I can speak to is how I play against it, which is always predicated upon the quality of teammates.  In a world where you're either a short range hull down monster or you're little people, an easily shot and penned tumor on top, when all of those afore mentioned tanks don't have such easy to hit targets, is problematic.  Again, none of that really matters when tier 10 medium tank premium ammo just goes through all non-Russian/Chinese turret faces.  But, I'd argue that 'fine' is a relative term - is it fine but still lacking or is it 100% on par with equal tier heavies that play in a similar more speed less armor heavy tank?

 

The T110E5 has always been a fat medium, not a hull down heavy tank (its never been a hull down heavy tank). Its a tank that can bully mediums with a decent gun that handles very well for a tank of its class. You shouldnt be sitting still when you arent shooting the gun, you should be making the cupola as hard to his as possible.

 

We can speak about other tanks not heaving weakpoints, and thats its own problem. One that isnt fixed by buffing another weakpoint off of a tank.

 

The E5s problem isnt that its weak, its that other tanks like the Super Conqueror are too good. The way to fix this is not to buff the E5... its to fix the other tanks.



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View PostAvalon304, on Nov 09 2018 - 17:05, said:

 

The T110E5 has always been a fat medium, not a hull down heavy tank (its never been a hull down heavy tank). Its a tank that can bully mediums with a decent gun that handles very well for a tank of its class. You shouldnt be sitting still when you arent shooting the gun, you should be making the cupola as hard to his as possible.

 

We can speak about other tanks not heaving weakpoints, and thats its own problem. One that isnt fixed by buffing another weakpoint off of a tank.

 

The E5s problem isnt that its weak, its that other tanks like the Super Conqueror are too good. The way to fix this is not to buff the E5... its to fix the other tanks.

Pretty much everything that competes in the fat medium category is better than the E5, or at least as good.  113, WZ-5A, 430U, probable post buff IS-7 and 260, maybe Patton.  You could throw the 50B in here and well.

 

While I'm in full agreement that power creep has hurt the E5 more than the nerf, I think the E5 also is hurting from a lack of identity.   On the one hand it tries to be a fat medium, but ends up slow for that,  and on the other,  a support heavy,  but lacks anything that makes it good in that roll( 57's dpm and burst, s conq's dpm, gun handling, and turret armor, E4's alpha, 50Bs burst and mobility, kran's burst and turret armor).

 

*shrug* appropriate buffs and nerfs to give it more of an identity might help it as well.

 



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View Postspud_tuber, on Nov 09 2018 - 16:13, said:

Pretty much everything that competes in the fat medium category is better than the E5, or at least as good.  113, WZ-5A, 430U, probable post buff IS-7 and 260, maybe Patton.  You could throw the 50B in here and well.

 

While I'm in full agreement that power creep has hurt the E5 more than the nerf, I think the E5 also is hurting from a lack of identity.   On the one hand it tries to be a fat medium, but ends up slow for that,  and on the other,  a support heavy,  but lacks anything that makes it good in that roll( 57's dpm and burst, s conq's dpm, gun handling, and turret armor, E4's alpha, 50Bs burst and mobility, kran's burst and turret armor).

 

*shrug* appropriate buffs and nerfs to give it more of an identity might help it as well.

 

 

Wasn't it supposed to be an assault tank at one point when they were talking about putting tanks into more specified rolls?

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They could just cover it with spaced armor and reduce the turret weakspot(s) to about 3 pixels each.

 

I love my E5 but it needs the nerfs undone or nerf the many tanks that powercrept it to oblivion for any type of serious play.






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