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FrozenKemp #21 Posted Nov 08 2018 - 19:27

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If you're trading shots with your Maus and one of the newer heavies and they are penetrating you each time you fire, then you are probably playing the Maus wrong.

Vampiresbane #22 Posted Nov 08 2018 - 19:34

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Maus does not need a buff.

 

 

 

FrozenKemp, on Nov 08 2018 - 18:27, said:

If you're trading shots with your Maus and one of the newer heavies and they are penetrating you each time you fire, then you are probably playing the Maus wrong.


Son__Of__Anarchy #23 Posted Nov 08 2018 - 19:39

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View PostFrozenKemp, on Nov 08 2018 - 19:27, said:

If you're trading shots with your Maus and one of the newer heavies and they are penetrating you each time you fire, then you are probably playing the Maus wrong.

 

View PostVampiresbane, on Nov 08 2018 - 19:34, said:

Maus does not need a buff.

 

 

 

FrozenKemp, on Nov 08 2018 - 18:27, said:

 

the answer is already given...

 

What i noticed from the QuickyB vid is that in Mar 2017 it had a 56%win rate.. Now 

 

Data based on Tank Statistics

 

average.png Battle Time 5.76 min
average.png Experience 446.5
average.png WN8 Efficiency 1,505.8
average.png Survived 41.9%
average.png Winrate 50.3%
average.png Mileage (meters) 1,117.9
average.png Credits Income (Gross) 27,142.9 Cr
average.png Credits Income (Net) -31,046.5 Cr
average.png Credits per Minute (Gross) 6,350.4 Cr
average.png Credits per Minute (Net) -5,571.1 Cr
average.png Accuracy 79.8%
average.png Damage ratio 86.2%
average.png Damage dealt 1,926.7
average.png Damage assisted 622.1
average.png Damage received 2,469.2
average.png Damage per Kill 2,053.2
average.png Kills per Battle 0.9
average.png Damage per Hit 280.0
average.png Spotted 0.9


XVM_Camouflage #24 Posted Nov 08 2018 - 20:04

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Maus is fine where it is at.. Good armor (If used right) and a decent gun... I admit most German tanks need to be worked on but the Maus is not one...

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View PostSon__Of__Anarchy, on Nov 08 2018 - 13:39, said:

 

 

the answer is already given...

 

What i noticed from the QuickyB vid is that in Mar 2017 it had a 56%win rate.. Now 

 

Data based on Tank Statistics

 

average.png Battle Time 5.76 min
average.png Experience 446.5
average.png WN8 Efficiency 1,505.8
average.png Survived 41.9%
average.png Winrate 50.3%
average.png Mileage (meters) 1,117.9
average.png Credits Income (Gross) 27,142.9 Cr
average.png Credits Income (Net) -31,046.5 Cr
average.png Credits per Minute (Gross) 6,350.4 Cr
average.png Credits per Minute (Net) -5,571.1 Cr
average.png Accuracy 79.8%
average.png Damage ratio 86.2%
average.png Damage dealt 1,926.7
average.png Damage assisted 622.1
average.png Damage received 2,469.2
average.png Damage per Kill 2,053.2
average.png Kills per Battle 0.9
average.png Damage per Hit 280.0
average.png Spotted 0.9

 

Do you not realize that a year ago the Maus was beyond OP?

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View PostSon__Of__Anarchy, on Nov 08 2018 - 11:39, said:

 

 

the answer is already given...

 

What i noticed from the QuickyB vid is that in Mar 2017 it had a 56%win rate.. Now 

 

Data based on Tank Statistics

 

average.png Battle Time 5.76 min
average.png Experience 446.5
average.png WN8 Efficiency 1,505.8
average.png Survived 41.9%
average.png Winrate 50.3%
average.png Mileage (meters) 1,117.9
average.png Credits Income (Gross) 27,142.9 Cr
average.png Credits Income (Net) -31,046.5 Cr
average.png Credits per Minute (Gross) 6,350.4 Cr
average.png Credits per Minute (Net) -5,571.1 Cr
average.png Accuracy 79.8%
average.png Damage ratio 86.2%
average.png Damage dealt 1,926.7
average.png Damage assisted 622.1
average.png Damage received 2,469.2
average.png Damage per Kill 2,053.2
average.png Kills per Battle 0.9
average.png Damage per Hit 280.0
average.png Spotted 0.9

 

So, you're using the fact that the Maus has an average winrate to prove that the Maus is underpowered? You might want to take a look at your logic again.

In terms of balance, any tank with a winrate between 49.5% and 50.5% is really well balanced. The Maus falls in that range.

And that 56% winrate was retarded. That was right after its megabuff. The only other tanks at tier 10 that I know of that have ever pulled that winrate are the post HD-remodel T110E5 and first release Object 268v4. You know what all of those tanks had in common? They were all game-breakingly OP.


Edited by churchill50, Nov 08 2018 - 20:38.


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View Postchurchill50, on Nov 08 2018 - 14:38, said:

 

So, you're using the fact that the Maus has an average winrate to prove that the Maus is underpowered? You might want to take a look at your logic again.

In terms of balance, any tank with a winrate between 49.5% and 50.5% is really well balanced. The Maus falls in that range.

And that 56% winrate was retarded. That was right after its megabuff. The only other tanks at tier 10 that I know of that have ever pulled that winrate are the post HD-remodel T110E5 and first release Object 268v4. You know what all of those tanks had in common? They were all game-breakingly OP.

 

Well said.. +1

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View PostThe_IS7_Specialist, on Nov 08 2018 - 20:04, said:

Maus is fine where it is at.. Good armor (If used right) and a decent gun... I admit most German tanks need to be worked on but the Maus is not one...

 

View PostThe_IS7_Specialist, on Nov 08 2018 - 20:05, said:

 

Do you not realize that a year ago the Maus was beyond OP?

 

View Postchurchill50, on Nov 08 2018 - 20:38, said:

 

So, you're using the fact that the Maus has an average winrate to prove that the Maus is underpowered? You might want to take a look at your logic again.

In terms of balance, any tank with a winrate between 49.5% and 50.5% is really well balanced. The Maus falls in that range.

And that 56% winrate was retarded. That was right after its megabuff. The only other tanks at tier 10 that I know of that have ever pulled that winrate are the post HD-remodel T110E5 and first release Object 268v4. You know what all of those tanks had in common? They were all game-breakingly OP.

 

View PostThe_IS7_Specialist, on Nov 08 2018 - 20:44, said:

 

Well said.. +1

 

you know what is funny? that ALL the comments coming about how "fine" the Maus is, comming from dudes that dont really play the Maus.. 

you all just making me laugh.. please keep going, i ALWAYS fond a good laughing time!


Edited by Son__Of__Anarchy, Nov 08 2018 - 21:27.


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View PostSon__Of__Anarchy, on Nov 08 2018 - 13:19, said:

 

 

 

 

you know what is funny? that ALL the comments coming about how "fine" the Maus is, comming from dudes that dont really play the mouse.. 

you all just making me laugh.. please keep going, i ALWAYS fond a good laughing time!

 

Well, if we're going to descend to arguments as retarded as that, I'll respond in kind.

Let's take a look at your account, shall we?

 

You currently have played in 25 tier 10s. So, lets rank those tier 10s by DPG and winrate, two of the most important measures of skill.

By winrate, the Maus is your 5th best tank (ahead of 20 others).

By DPG, the Maus is your 12th best tank (ahead of 13 others).

It looks like, by your play, the Maus is rather balanced according to DPG, and slightly overpowered according to winrate. What was your point again?

 

And there's a reason I don't own a Maus (or, several reasons, actually). The most important reason though, is that I've played it enough on other accounts to know that it's boring and easy af to play. It's not overpowered, it's not underpowered. It's fairly well balanced. But it's boring and takes hardly any skill.

 

If you had just come on the forums asking for pointers for how to play the Maus, I would've been happy to give them. But no, you had to come on here and blame the tank for your own failings. No wonder you're plateaued where you are. Learn to look for your own shortcomings, not the shortcomings (real or imagined) of the tank, and you might just get better at this game.

 

EDIT: Also, as far as making people laugh, you sure are making me laugh.

You're the one who originally supported the person who posted the Maus's global winrate, until I pointed out that that argument was retarded. At which point you choose to ignore all my points and respond with the post I've just quoted. That's pretty funny.

And to add to the hilarity, you can't even spell Maus consistently, despite liking it enough to make this entire thread about it.


Edited by churchill50, Nov 08 2018 - 21:37.


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View Postchurchill50, on Nov 08 2018 - 21:32, said:

 

Well, if we're going to descend to arguments as retarded as that, I'll respond in kind.

Let's take a look at your account, shall we?

 

You currently have played in 25 tier 10s. So, lets rank those tier 10s by DPG and winrate, two of the most important measures of skill.

By winrate, the Maus is your 5th best tank (ahead of 20 others).

By DPG, the Maus is your 12th best tank (ahead of 13 others).

It looks like, by your play, the Maus is rather balanced according to DPG, and slightly overpowered according to winrate. What was your point again?

 

And there's a reason I don't own a Maus (or, several reasons, actually). The most important reason though, is that I've played it enough on other accounts to know that it's boring and easy af to play. It's not overpowered, it's not underpowered. It's fairly well balanced. But it's boring and takes hardly any skill.

 

If you had just come on the forums asking for pointers for how to play the Maus, I would've been happy to give them. But no, you had to come on here and blame the tank for your own failings. No wonder you're plateaued where you are. Learn to look for your own shortcomings, not the shortcomings (real or imagined) of the tank, and you might just get better at this game.

 

you know what i hate more than a "smart .ss"??

a "smart .ss" with so many proofs like yourself..

so please, next time you decide to make some effort to show us what a "smart .ss" YOU are, take the time to read and understand the whole situation..

 

i did NOT complain, did NOT whine, and did NOT ask for help or advise on how to play a Maus..

i do NOT play the Maus unless i take it out for a mission.. 

how good or bad i do with my Maus, depending on many things such as the map, my team, and the current mission i am running..

i do NOT take the Maus out for fun because it is NOT fun to play.. and the reasons is DEFINITELLY not because its such a good tank and so easy to play..

 

now, as for the "i played it enough on friend's account" for me is just blah blah blah.. go buy your OWN Maus, play it enough and ONLY then come to show us off how smart you are..

i may drove a ferrari of my neighboughr's a couple of times or 3.. does NOT give me the right to have ANY opinion on the matter of Ferraries but JUST a VERY poor impression.. good evening!



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View PostSon__Of__Anarchy, on Nov 08 2018 - 13:43, said:

 

you know what i hate more than a "smart .ss"??

a "smart .ss" with so many proofs like yourself..

so please, next time you decide to make some effort to show us what a "smart .ss" YOU are, take the time to read and understand the whole situation..

 

i did NOT complain, did NOT whine, and did NOT ask for help or advise on how to play a Maus..

i do NOT play the Maus unless i take it out for a mission.. 

how good or bad i do with my Maus, depending on many things such as the map, my team, and the current mission i am running..

i do NOT take the Maus out for fun because it is NOT fun to play.. and the reasons is DEFINITELLY not because its such a good tank and so easy to play..

 

now, as for the "i played it enough on friend's account" for me is just blah blah blah.. go buy your OWN Maus, play it enough and ONLY then come to show us off how smart you are..

i may drove a ferrari of my neighboughr's a couple of times or 3.. does NOT give me the right to have ANY opinion on the matter of Ferraries but JUST a VERY poor impression.. good evening!

 

What was it I said about adding to the hilarity?

Your last two posts have only shown that you've lost the argument but are a sore loser.



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View Postchurchill50, on Nov 08 2018 - 21:44, said:

 

What was it I said about adding to the hilarity?

Your last two posts have only shown that you've lost the argument but are a sore loser.

 

l.m.a.o

Edited by Son__Of__Anarchy, Nov 08 2018 - 21:49.


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The Maus is fine as is.

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At most I'd say maybe it needs a slight mobility increase since it's one of the slowest tanks in the game, and outside of that maybe a few minor tweaks here and there to make sure it's still fairly up to par with the newer tier 10 heavies. Outside of that, the armor is still outstanding and the gun is quite fair. It's all about how you play it, really. Play it intelligently and you won't have quite so many complaints.

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View PostxXTheGameAceXx, on Nov 15 2018 - 17:28, said:

At most I'd say maybe it needs a slight mobility increase since it's one of the slowest tanks in the game, and outside of that maybe a few minor tweaks here and there to make sure it's still fairly up to par with the newer tier 10 heavies. Outside of that, the armor is still outstanding and the gun is quite fair. It's all about how you play it, really. Play it intelligently and you won't have quite so many complaints.

 

its an ok tank eventhough i dont like to play it..

all i suggested was a secondary/optional gun same type as the E-100..

 

which is nothing but fair for this slow giant metal box..



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i mean back in the day you would see a Maus and you would run to hide as far as you could.. now you see a Maus and the enemy team fights eachother who will go front to shot first/more..

 

the Maus as "fine as it is" today, its a fat big joke..

 

edit: NOONE fear's the Maus anymore.. NOONE of either tier IX or X.. only players that may see a Maus today and back up to hide, might be some tier VIII meds and lights..

not even TDs and Heavies of tier VIII will fear the Maus if they got some "good" armor..


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when i am top tier in a 3-5-7 battle (in ANY of my tier X heavy tanks) and i see that my counterpart in the other team is a Maus, a HUGE smiles instictivelly comes up to light my face..

couldnt wish for easier opponent..

 

thats what you all want the Maus to be? a tank that you see in the field as enemy and smile big for your good luck?

because i know i am not the ONLY one that smiles when they see that a Maus is their enemy instead of a 60TP or a Type 5, or a Pz. Kpfw VII, or even a AMX M4 54..

 

its ridiculous..



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heck, the other "smart bum" comes and says "the Maus is perfectly fine as it is.." and he DONT even own a Maus..

 

its like i am saying that "lobster is the most delicious food on earth!!!" but i never had lobster in my life..

 

RIDICULOUS.

 

edit: aw wait, he said he played it in his friend's account.. so my example was unlucky..

its like i am saying that "lobster is the most delicious food on earth!" but the only lobster i ever had in my life, was some chips with lobster flavor..

 

edit 2: RIDICULOUS


Edited by Son__Of__Anarchy, Nov 15 2018 - 18:53.


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@Son__Of__Anarchy - you seem to be replying to yourself at this point, and it's a shame you seem to have ignored most of the replies in this post from experienced & good players.  You made up your mind before you even posted, and have seemingly decided you are right no matter what anyone says.  All the same, I'll re-iterate some points. 

 

The Maus is a good tank.  It's only real weakness is it's lack of mobility.  At the absolute worst, it's an average tank, but most would probably consider it quite a bit above average.  Of course, in the right hands, it can be absolutely dominant, and it does take certain knowledge and skills to play the Maus properly.  I would suggest you focus on learning what these are.  You do have to protect the lower front plate, either by hard terrain, or angling (the strong side armor means you should over angle it a bit).  Then you do have to angle the turret, and you only turn your turret toward the enemy when you're ready to fire, and preferably, when you know they're on reload or just not looking at you.  It also has very good gun handling, so you can snap shot in it, and you don't have to wait for the reticle to fully aim which would expose your weakpoints for longer than is necessary.  If you do these successfully, you can dominate in the Maus.  When I see a bad player in a Maus, their failing is often that they'll angle the hull (albeit usually not enough), but they don't seem to realize that angling the turret is what can make them near invincible in the right situation (sans arty or Type 5).  If you can do these things, you'll find success in it. 

 

Again, I would focus on how you can get better in the Maus and find the success in it that many others have, instead of trying to focus on how to make the Maus better.  If it was better, it would move into OP territory.  Remember, the last change to the Maus was a nerf because it was OP.  Now it's balanced.  You could put forth an argument that a dozen or so Tier X's need a buff, but the Maus isn't one of them, as many people have pointed out to you in this topic.  What's your next move?



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View Postmoogleslam, on Nov 15 2018 - 19:06, said:

@Son__Of__Anarchy - you seem to be replying to yourself at this point, and it's a shame you seem to have ignored most of the replies in this post from experienced & good players.  You made up your mind before you even posted, and have seemingly decided you are right no matter what anyone says.  All the same, I'll re-iterate some points. 

 

The Maus is a good tank.  It's only real weakness is it's lack of mobility.  At the absolute worst, it's an average tank, but most would probably consider it quite a bit above average.  Of course, in the right hands, it can be absolutely dominant, and it does take certain knowledge and skills to play the Maus properly.  I would suggest you focus on learning what these are.  You do have to protect the lower front plate, either by hard terrain, or angling (the strong side armor means you should over angle it a bit).  Then you do have to angle the turret, and you only turn your turret toward the enemy when you're ready to fire, and preferably, when you know they're on reload or just not looking at you.  It also has very good gun handling, so you can snap shot in it, and you don't have to wait for the reticle to fully aim which would expose your weakpoints for longer than is necessary.  If you do these successfully, you can dominate in the Maus.  When I see a bad player in a Maus, their failing is often that they'll angle the hull (albeit usually not enough), but they don't seem to realize that angling the turret is what can make them near invincible in the right situation (sans arty or Type 5).  If you can do these things, you'll find success in it. 

 

Again, I would focus on how you can get better in the Maus and find the success in it that many others have, instead of trying to focus on how to make the Maus better.  If it was better, it would move into OP territory.  Remember, the last change to the Maus was a nerf because it was OP.  Now it's balanced.  You could put forth an argument that a dozen or so Tier X's need a buff, but the Maus isn't one of them, as many people have pointed out to you in this topic.  What's your next move?

 

you seem to not even understand, or not even care to understand what i am saying.. 

you made your opinion about the Maus before you even reply to this post, you think you are right and you relying on your personal opinion to make others believe what you say is the right..

 

again, i did NOT ask for tips on how to play the Maus, nor i need to get good with it.. its not my main tank to play and when needed to take it out of my garage for a specific task, i make things work with it..

your tips and suggestions i ALREADY know and applying to my game.. yet you seem to ignore how many guns are out there that will cause you serious damage with EVERY SINGLE shot they take..

i dont miss success when i am playing my Maus, i can definitelly play it successfully so far as my need for it goes..

but again, thanks for nothing..

 

 

edit: and as i pointed out, "the many people that said the Maus is fine" and you included, does not play the Maus.. so your personal opinions VERY little to not at all would affect mine anyway.. heck some of those people dont even own the Maus..

yet you choose to ignore systimatically those facts too..

your argue points are INVALID to me, as your personal opinion is as well..

 

good evening!

 

edit 2: i have more battles in my progetto 65 than all of you that said "maus is fine" together have in maus.. you seriously want me to even consider your saying? please dude, go spend your time on something else instead trying to change my opinion convincing me how "right" you are..

 


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