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Dogg_zilla #1 Posted Nov 09 2018 - 05:44

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Every single game there are "impossible" shots by both teams and shots that should easily penetrate but do not. 

 

For instance, 220mm rounds from tier 8 tanks frontally penetrating Tier X heaviest where even the weak spots are above 220 flat. 

 

Then there are times when rounds with over 300 penetration will bounce off flat pieces of armor on medium tanks with under 200mm of armor. 

 

RNG makes this game absolutely retarded. Its just one RNG problem to the next. Nothing is consistent. 

 

Hell, rounds with near 400mm penetration will routinely bounced off the sides of tanks with less than 100mm armor, during flat shots!

 

RNG is making the game come across as unstable, and it throws away all the effort that the devs have put into the game by basically throwing away all of the code and replacing it with nonsensical randomness. It comes across as a bug and is completely unprofessional looking. 

 

 

Seriously, regularly seeing super high pen rounds bounce off the sides of tanks, mediums penetrate super heavy TDs frontally and the TD rounds bouncing off the mediums armor is absolutely ridiculous. 

 

It comes across as immensely unprofessional and buggy. 


Edited by Dogg_zilla, Nov 09 2018 - 05:51.


death_stryker #2 Posted Nov 09 2018 - 05:57

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You are confusing penetration RNG with dispersion RNG. It is not possible for a round with 400mm pen to bounce if it hits a location which has an effective armor value of 100mm. The reason the round bounces is either because the location it hit simply had a much higher value than expected, was at an autobounce angle, or had spaced armor over it (which stop HEAT rounds). 

 

Tanks.gg has a pretty good armor model inspector; pick the "Live" armor model to get a reasonably good idea of what the tank's effective armor profile from the viewing angle is. I, for one, was surprised at the subtle model quirks that many tanks (high tier ones especially) had.

 

I don't dispute that the current combination of dispersion, penetration and damage RNG is problematic, but it is nowhere near as bad as you paint it to be.



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"400mm pen straight on against 100mm armor routinely" eh, if it happens so often then it shouldn't be so hard for you to go grab a couple of replays of it happening and then showing us it then right? 

Mercer_Keel #4 Posted Nov 09 2018 - 06:23

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Love it when my Ru tracks eat a round from a Jg Pz. E100.   I mean it is fully BS and shouldn't even be a thing in the game but it happens a ton. 


Edited by Mercer_Keel, Nov 09 2018 - 06:24.


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View PostDogg_zilla, on Nov 08 2018 - 23:44, said:

For instance, 220mm rounds from tier 8 tanks frontally penetrating Tier X heaviest where even the weak spots are above 220 flat. 

 

Then there are times when rounds with over 300 penetration will bounce off flat pieces of armor on medium tanks with under 200mm of armor. 

 

Hell, rounds with near 400mm penetration will routinely bounced off the sides of tanks with less than 100mm armor, during flat shots!

 

Seriously, regularly seeing super high pen rounds bounce off the sides of tanks, mediums penetrate super heavy TDs frontally...

 

Replays... Please?

 

You come here daily to complain about stuff, yet I have yet to see a replay to back up your claims.

 

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JakeTheMystic #6 Posted Nov 09 2018 - 06:37

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Its a game, every game has RNG and the RNG for this game hasn't changed since it's release. 

 

Get over it. 



yruputin #7 Posted Nov 09 2018 - 06:46

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lol the lounge lizards were offended so they attack you Dogg zilla. Wg has some pathetic protectors of their bs.:B

VooDooKobra #8 Posted Nov 09 2018 - 07:10

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View Postyruputin, on Nov 08 2018 - 22:46, said:

lol the lounge lizards were offended so they attack you Dogg zilla. Wg has some pathetic protectors of their bs.:B

 

so when someone makes a outlandish claim you have a problem with wanting to see a replay?  its not about protecting anything its about trying to find out the truth.  apparently that offended you

Ndtm #9 Posted Nov 09 2018 - 07:19

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View Postyruputin, on Nov 09 2018 - 06:46, said:

lol the lounge lizards were offended so they attack you Dogg zilla. Wg has some pathetic protectors of their bs.:B

If something is wrong then it will be called out, those you call "protectors" most likely understand the game and it's fine details to a greater extent so how do you think we would feel when someone claims something that contradicts the facts we've learned from years of playing compared to someone who lacks the understanding and plays based on assumptions, we would want to find the truth and how can we find that from a mere couple of lines of text based on someones experience at the time when that is something one often misremembers, that is why we ask for replays, something concrete (relatively, they're not perfect as sometimes even they can be slightly off, but a heck of a lot better than someones fickle memories) that can be watched in detail and from a different point of view



Mercer_Keel #10 Posted Nov 09 2018 - 07:31

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View PostVooDooKobra, on Nov 08 2018 - 22:10, said:

 

so when someone makes a outlandish claim you have a problem with wanting to see a replay?  its not about protecting anything its about trying to find out the truth.  apparently that offended you

 

lol lets take everything literally and give zero chance for error, and call BS and belittle the person and anyone that defends him. Pretty sure you don't like it when people jump your [edited]when you make a small mistake.  

Edited by Mercer_Keel, Nov 09 2018 - 07:32.


cloudwalkr #11 Posted Nov 09 2018 - 07:35

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I'd be happy with a +/- 20% test for a week and see what happened.

VooDooKobra #12 Posted Nov 09 2018 - 07:42

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View PostMercer_Keel, on Nov 08 2018 - 23:31, said:

 

lol lets take everything literally and give zero chance for error, and call BS and belittle the person and anyone that defends him. Pretty sure you don't like it when people jump your [edited]when you make a small mistake.  

 

what small mistake exactly am i jumping on here? and tbh giving replays reduces any chance of error and misinterpretation so why is that a problem?  it also give a fresh set of eyes on something the OP may have missed.  

 

one more small thing, i notice you called me out but not the post i replied too that was belittling those who do not agree with the OP.  though i dont really feel what i typed was really belittling anyone, it was more using the posters words against him


Edited by VooDooKobra, Nov 09 2018 - 07:52.


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View PostVooDooKobra, on Nov 08 2018 - 22:42, said:

 

what small mistake exactly am i jumping on here? and tbh giving replays reduces any chance of error and misinterpretation so why is that a problem?  it also give a fresh set of eyes on something the OP may have missed.  

 

one more small thing, i notice you called me out but not the post i replied too that was belittling those who do not agree with the OP

 

yeah see you can't even give a person a chance. As soon as someone in turns questions you its bash bash / cry cry. let it go man just let it go. 

 



VooDooKobra #14 Posted Nov 09 2018 - 07:56

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View PostMercer_Keel, on Nov 08 2018 - 23:54, said:

 

yeah see you can't even give a person a chance. As soon as someone in turns questions you its bash bash / cry cry. let it go man just let it go. 

 

 

what are you talking about? 

mlinke #15 Posted Nov 09 2018 - 10:03

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I have hit skoda tier 9 with 155mm foch and rolled 60 damage hiting side in engine. Other 2shots went into ground and side rock. Guy was not moving and while tank was in front of me by 15 feet. Fully aimed shots just to be sure. Ofc, skoda killed me.

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They were all he shots. No splash damage even they hit ground just by the target... Amazing.

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View PostNdtm, on Nov 09 2018 - 01:57, said:

"400mm pen straight on against 100mm armor routinely" eh, if it happens so often then it shouldn't be so hard for you to go grab a couple of replays of it happening and then showing us it then right? 

 

Players making claims that appear to be ridiculous never have replays...

 

 

 

 

 



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View PostVooDooKobra, on Nov 09 2018 - 03:10, said:

 

so when someone makes a outlandish claim you have a problem with wanting to see a replay?  its not about protecting anything its about trying to find out the truth.  apparently that offended you

 

Players who make baseless claims that appear to be ridiculous or who defend such claims have no interest in the truth... they love exaggeration and hyperbole.

 

 

 

 

 



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View PostDogg_zilla, on Nov 09 2018 - 01:44, said:

Every single game there are "impossible" shots by both teams and shots that should easily penetrate but do not. In my own personal experience (50k total battles), I have never seen this happening.

 

For instance, 220mm rounds from tier 8 tanks frontally penetrating Tier X heaviest where even the weak spots are above 220 flat. I've never seen this happen without a legit reason.

 

Then there are times when rounds with over 300 penetration will bounce off flat pieces of armor on medium tanks with under 200mm of armor. Never seen that.

 

RNG makes this game absolutely retarded. Its just one RNG problem to the next. Nothing is consistent. RNG is totally consistent... it is consistently +/- 25%, more exactly, 1/3 of shots are +/- 11 to 25% and 2/3 of shots are only +/- 0 to 10%. So it's not actually as much as it's detractors believe. It is consistently randomly generated at the time of each individual shot and is never changed for any particular player or team or battle or tank or mode.

 

Hell, rounds with near 400mm penetration will routinely bounced off the sides of tanks with less than 100mm armor, during flat shots!  Please... look at what you wrote here... in my experience, this is a fantasy.

 

RNG is making the game come across as unstable, and it throws away all the effort that the devs have put into the game by basically throwing away all of the code and replacing it with nonsensical randomness. It comes across as a bug and is completely unprofessional looking.  This is, of course, simply your opinion and though I disagree with it... whatever.

 

 

Seriously, regularly seeing super high pen rounds bounce off the sides of tanks, mediums penetrate super heavy TDs frontally and the TD rounds bouncing off the mediums armor is absolutely ridiculous. Again... not seeing these things happen without a legit reason, so...

 

It comes across as immensely unprofessional and buggy. If you are interested in being "professional", please post a dozen replays of some of these claimed "events". It should be easy since you claim they happen "every single game".

 

 

 

 

 

 



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View Postcloudwalkr, on Nov 09 2018 - 06:35, said:

I'd be happy with a +/- 20% test for a week and see what happened.

 

I think it would be fun to play with +/- 15% RNG for aiming. But having damage at +/- 20%




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