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Buff German Tier 10 Medium

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Die95 #1 Posted Nov 21 2018 - 02:17

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Why is this tank still at tier 10 in its current state, what does it do that others don't do better apart from losing its ammo rack?

InfinityShadow #2 Posted Nov 21 2018 - 02:19

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Tank isn't great, the tank isn't terrible. It's alright.

YANKEE137 #3 Posted Nov 21 2018 - 02:25

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I don't have one, but judging from vids and comments it's like Rodney Dangerfield, it gets no respect.

 

 



The_Iron_Bullet #4 Posted Nov 21 2018 - 02:49

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Should buff its alpha to 420 while keeping its reload speed.

GenErwinRommel #5 Posted Nov 21 2018 - 02:58

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it's not a Russian tank it's  german so your up the creek with it

I got to waist module spots on most of my german tanks with tool box and 2 repair kits because the tanks are so over tiered and nerfed

so the soviet tank line can shine


 



Dirizon #6 Posted Nov 21 2018 - 03:03

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View PostInfinityShadow, on Nov 20 2018 - 20:49, said:

Tank isn't great, the tank isn't terrible. It's alright.

 

The tank is far from great, the tank is terrible.

 

lt needs high penetration HE ammunition like Panzer Wagon and Progetto.

lt needs the 2Omm lower front hull gap, the 4Omm turret front sides increased to 5O  &  6Omm respectively like the surrounding armour only inches away, side armour to 5Omm, to avoid easy 122 overmatch hits taken. Leopard PTA roof mounted optics 'police bar' would be a nice add-on as spaced armour, to prevent critical HE damage from 183s, Types, and artillery. 

lncrease the rate of fire to 6.98 like Cent A X, trade off being Cent has armour and -GD,  Leopard has speed and camo. lf they can increase AMX3O RoF, they can increase Leopards. 

 

lt would still be a crappy tank, but less crappy. These buffs are a start, a better direction

 

 



13Jake55 #7 Posted Nov 21 2018 - 03:17

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Sold mine but kept Leo PTA which I like although it could use some help.  

InfinityShadow #8 Posted Nov 21 2018 - 03:23

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View PostDirizon, on Nov 21 2018 - 03:03, said:

 

The tank is far from great, the tank is terrible.

 

lt needs high penetration HE ammunition like Panzer Wagon and Progetto.

lt needs the 2Omm lower front hull gap, the 4Omm turret front sides increased to 5O  &  6Omm respectively like the surrounding armour only inches away, side armour to 5Omm, to avoid easy 122 overmatch hits taken. Leopard PTA roof mounted optics 'police bar' would be a nice add-on as spaced armour, to prevent critical HE damage from 183s, Types, and artillery. 

lncrease the rate of fire to 6.98 like Cent A X, trade off being Cent has armour and -GD,  Leopard has speed and camo. lf they can increase AMX3O RoF, they can increase Leopards. 

 

lt would still be a crappy tank, but less crappy. These buffs are a start, a better direction

 

 

 

Maybe it's just me, but i've never had a problem with the tank. Open maps or city maps, i like mine and do very well in it.

F0R_M07H3R_RU5514 #9 Posted Nov 21 2018 - 03:30

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Go watch stream highllights from barks_internally and learn, I guess.

jsn87xi76slk92mc802d7sk1 #10 Posted Nov 21 2018 - 04:28

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you should watch his current stream replays if any are still up. the ones where he rage sold it a few times and gave up on it. not the ones from 4 years ago when the tank was workable (in a platoon)

NeatoMan #11 Posted Nov 21 2018 - 04:52

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Many of the Leopard 1 videos I've seen were from players running in platoons (typically with other russian mediums), where their platoon mates did most of the work occupying the enemy up front, allowing the Leopard to work from a safer distance.

 

I think I've only seen one of a solo player dominating a match, but then again the only reason he could was because his team was able to occupy the enemy long enough for him to work, and at the end of the game the enemy fed themselves to him one at a time.  My experience has been that this tank can't do much to turn the tables when your team is getting beat, nor can it do enough on its own to get the ball rolling for your team.  It's way too team/platoon dependent.

 

Another indication it sucks is the fact it was given MM weight buffs long ago.  MM buffs are reserved for under performing tanks.  They are used to raise its server win rate by giving it better tanks on its teams to make up for its shortcomings.  The tank still sucks, but it wins, so WG can claim it doesn't need any real buffs.

 

Oh, and then there are the tank wr curves.   Yep.  it sucks. It has the classic profile of a tank that's in dire need of a buff.  i think the reason they won't buff it is because it would provide direct competition for tier X LTs, which they are probably trying to get people to grind for. 


Edited by NeatoMan, Nov 21 2018 - 05:20.


164thLeichteAfrikaDiv #12 Posted Nov 21 2018 - 14:46

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In it's present form the Leo is only good for highly skilled players. It's not an easy mode tank to use like some Russian counterparts. Would be great to see some buffs and perhaps some sort of autoloader to make it more player friendly. Otherwise to use it you need to "git gud" like the guy in this video.

 


Edited by 164thLeichteAfrikaDiv, Nov 21 2018 - 14:47.


Kerosedge #13 Posted Nov 21 2018 - 14:49

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Made it to the PT, it was horrific. Made of ammo racks. Sold it and haven't looked back.

NeatoMan #14 Posted Nov 21 2018 - 15:43

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View Post164thLeichteAfrikaDiv, on Nov 21 2018 - 08:46, said:

In it's present form the Leo is only good for highly skilled players. It's not an easy mode tank to use like some Russian counterparts. Would be great to see some buffs and perhaps some sort of autoloader to make it more player friendly. Otherwise to use it you need to "git gud" like the guy in this video.

 

 

while that most certainly was a good game it played out as I have seen most games must play in order for the leopard to shine.  

 

At the beginning his LT's in the middle kept the other tanks occupied while he was able to hit some uncontested shots.  The whole time he fired into the middle he had only one tank take the time to aim and shoot at him.  The obj264 and pantera kept that entire 1,2 line at bay while he was able to pepper the Jap heavy.  He was able to rack up 3.5k uncontested damage, all because his team mates held all the attention.

 

After that what he accomplished really isn't due to anything specific to the leopard.  Most other fast mediums at that point probably could have done the same thing at the end of the game, especially with that t92 driver doing what he was doing.

 

Not many teams do what that team allowed him to do, and if you don't get a situation like that, the leopard really is incapable of doing anything to change it.  It certainly can't be one of the mediums taking the brunt of the attention, as his team mates did early in the game.  It's pretty much relegated to sit back and snipe for most of the battle.



ethics_gradient #15 Posted Nov 21 2018 - 15:56

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It should be excellent at something, anything.  But it isn't, which is why it is terrible.  Not enough armor to be front line.  Fine, so play it like a sniper.  You would then expect outstanding accuracy or penetration, with decent alpha.  NOPE.

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View PostGenErwinRommel, on Nov 20 2018 - 22:58, said:

it's not a Russian tank

 

The reason of every tank with problems

The_Iron_Bullet #17 Posted Nov 21 2018 - 19:09

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You say the leo sucks, but I'd argue the K-91 is just as useless.

NARWL_Legend_Soviet #18 Posted Nov 21 2018 - 21:12

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View PostThe_Iron_Bullet, on Nov 21 2018 - 13:09, said:

You say the leo sucks, but I'd argue the K-91 is just as useless.

 

The K-91 is god tier if you know how to abuse the DPM, gun handling, and Camo. 

 

 



EmperorJuliusCaesar #19 Posted Nov 22 2018 - 05:25

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View PostDie95, on Nov 21 2018 - 08:17, said:

Why is this tank still at tier 10 in its current state, what does it do that others don't do better apart from losing its ammo rack?

 

It does what it does very well.  It's not a low skill cap tank.  High skill players can play it very well.  If you want something easier/more forgiving, try a Russian med.

NARWL_Legend_Soviet #20 Posted Nov 22 2018 - 05:26

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View PostEmperorJuliusCaesar, on Nov 21 2018 - 23:25, said:

 

It does what it does very well.  It's not a low skill cap tank.  High skill players can play it very well.  If you want something easier/more forgiving, try a Russian med.

 

The Leo 1 is terrible and the K91 does everything the Leo 1 is supposed to do but better. 

 

 







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