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What does the Maus and E 100 line need? (poll)

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Poll: The Maus and E 100 line needs to be reworked. But... (47 members have cast votes)

But what should be done?

  1. More front armor on turret (11 votes [23.40%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 23.40%

  2. More average penetration (6 votes [12.77%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.77%

  3. Both (18 votes [38.30%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 38.30%

  4. Other things? Like what? (5 votes [10.64%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 10.64%

  5. Do not need anything (now stop complaining!) (7 votes [14.89%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.89%

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GradorGamer #1 Posted Dec 02 2018 - 18:33

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Say what you think

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_BBaby #2 Posted Dec 02 2018 - 18:43

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Little bit of a biased poll dont we think?

GradorGamer #3 Posted Dec 02 2018 - 18:49

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View Post_1204_, on Dec 02 2018 - 18:43, said:

Little bit of a biased poll dont we think?

 

Of course not, everyone knows that Maus and E 100 and some of their line tanks are obsolete and are not as competitive as they were. Its shielding is inefficient and its penetration mean and insufficient, but what I'm wondering here is which of those problems should be solved first...

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View PostGradorGamer, on Dec 02 2018 - 11:49, said:

 

Of course not, everyone knows that Maus and E 100 and some of their line tanks are obsolete and are not as competitive as they were. Its shielding is inefficient and its penetration mean and insufficient, but what I'm wondering here is which of those problems should be solved first...

 

I just saw a post the other day that said the Maus was over powered, so which is it!

GradorGamer #5 Posted Dec 02 2018 - 19:02

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View PostInsanefriend, on Dec 02 2018 - 18:52, said:

 

I just saw a post the other day that said the Maus was over powered, so which is it!

 

Maus becomes a competitive tank in the hands of players who have a great crew, and spam gold at will, especially against tiers 8 and 9, and some people can not accept this, because they are accustomed to a "free damage" Maus, that does not can deal damage to anyone, but everyone can do damage to him

Nixeldon #6 Posted Dec 02 2018 - 19:08

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View PostGradorGamer, on Dec 02 2018 - 13:02, said:

 

Maus becomes a competitive tank in the hands of players who have a great crew, and spam gold at will, especially against tiers 8 and 9, and some people can not accept this, because they are accustomed to a "free damage" Maus, that does not can deal damage to anyone, but everyone can do damage to him

 

The Tank Win Rate Curves tell a different story.

 



GradorGamer #7 Posted Dec 02 2018 - 19:14

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View PostNixeldon, on Dec 02 2018 - 19:08, said:

 

The Tank Win Rate Curves tell a different story.

 

 

So you think Maus is as competitive as Obj. 705A? Even though it has a lower armor, more weaknesses including the turret is a weak point, less average penetration, less damage, and still being forced to shoot gold to be able to do some damage?

Nixeldon #8 Posted Dec 02 2018 - 19:22

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View PostGradorGamer, on Dec 02 2018 - 13:14, said:

 

So you think Maus is as competitive as Obj. 705A? Even though it has a lower armor, more weaknesses including the turret is a weak point, less average penetration, less damage, and still being forced to shoot gold to be able to do some damage?

 

Can you read?

GradorGamer #9 Posted Dec 02 2018 - 19:37

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View PostNixeldon, on Dec 02 2018 - 19:22, said:

 

Can you read?

 

I think I'm the one who should ask this question.

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yea cause we need the super heavy tanks to have more armor... as for the tanks being week I can only find stats from nov-present in which both have over a 50% wr aka not in dire need of a buff when compared to some of the other weak tier 10 tanks.

 

http://www.noobmeter.com/tankStats 



GradorGamer #11 Posted Dec 02 2018 - 19:55

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View PostBillDing1, on Dec 02 2018 - 19:48, said:

yea cause we need the super heavy tanks to have more armor... as for the tanks being week I can only find stats from nov-present in which both have over a 50% wr aka not in dire need of a buff when compared to some of the other weak tier 10 tanks.

 

http://www.noobmeter.com/tankStats 

 

It is not what I see in reality. Maus and E 100 are super easy to penetrate since everyone in Tier 10 uses gold, and with only 246 of average penetration, it is quite difficult to be able to do the same with enemies. And the armor of the Maus turret does not surprise anyone, if even the heavy Type 5 that has 280mm is easily penetrated with gold, so think of the Maus with only 260 ...

 


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View PostGradorGamer, on Dec 02 2018 - 13:37, said:

 

I think I'm the one who should ask this question.

 

Let's try this again for the reading comprehension impaired.

 

I never said anything about a 705A, armor, weakness, strength, shooting "gold", or what I thought about anything. 

 

The Maus has a slightly above average win rate and a fairly flat win rate curve. It is one of the few tier X tanks that an average player can use to perform at their average. This is not my opinion, but what the numbers show.

 

Why choose a Maus for buffs, especially when it is performing relatively well in average player's hands? Why not choose underperfoming tanks for buffs or overperforming tanks for nerfs?



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View PostNixeldon, on Dec 02 2018 - 19:57, said:

 

Let's try this again for the reading comprehension impaired.

 

I never said anything about a 705A, armor, weakness, strength, shooting "gold", or what I thought about anything. 

 

The Maus has a slightly above average win rate and a fairly flat win rate curve. It is one of the few tier X tanks that an average player can use to perform at their average. This is not my opinion, but what the numbers show.

 

Why choose a Maus for buffs, especially when it is performing relatively well in average player's hands? Why not choose underperfoming tanks for buffs or overperforming tanks for nerfs?

 

View PostNixeldon, on Dec 02 2018 - 19:57, said:

 

Let's try this again for the reading comprehension impaired.

 

I never said anything about a 705A, armor, weakness, strength, shooting "gold", or what I thought about anything. 

 

The Maus has a slightly above average win rate and a fairly flat win rate curve. It is one of the few tier X tanks that an average player can use to perform at their average. This is not my opinion, but what the numbers show.

 

Why choose a Maus for buffs, especially when it is performing relatively well in average player's hands? Why not choose underperfoming tanks for buffs or overperforming tanks for nerfs?

 

I, of course, only used Obj. 705A as an example, since it is a great tank and perfectly balanced. Also, I suggested the Maus and E 100 because it is with these that I play the most, if there are more tanks that need a buff, they should be buffed for sure, I never said that only Maus or E 100 are obsolete, there are several others who also need attention. If in doubt, try playing a game with one of these 2 tanks without using gold ammo and you'll understand what I'm trying to say. It may seem easy to say that I should never play a tier 10 match without gold ammo, but it's difficult when you do not have money

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A complete overhaul of premium ammo within the game, if not outright removal, which will lead to balance changes to many vehicles over time.

GradorGamer #15 Posted Dec 02 2018 - 20:27

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View PostNoivy, on Dec 02 2018 - 20:24, said:

A complete overhaul of premium ammo within the game, if not outright removal, which will lead to balance changes to many vehicles over time.

 

I agree, but unfortunately Wargaming does not care about the problems of the game

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View PostNixeldon, on Dec 02 2018 - 10:57, said:

 

Let's try this again for the reading comprehension impaired.

 

I never said anything about a 705A, armor, weakness, strength, shooting "gold", or what I thought about anything. 

 

The Maus has a slightly above average win rate and a fairly flat win rate curve. It is one of the few tier X tanks that an average player can use to perform at their average. This is not my opinion, but what the numbers show.

 

Why choose a Maus for buffs, especially when it is performing relatively well in average player's hands? Why not choose underperfoming tanks for buffs or overperforming tanks for nerfs?

 

You mean tanks such as the E100, as previously discussed in the above poll. 

Spoiler

 



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View PostGradorGamer, on Dec 02 2018 - 12:49, said:

 

Of course not, everyone knows that Maus and E 100 and some of their line tanks are obsolete and are not as competitive as they were. Its shielding is inefficient and its penetration mean and insufficient, but what I'm wondering here is which of those problems should be solved first...

 

In other words, "It's not OP and I can't wantonly seal-club all in my path with this monstrosity of German Steel"?

Was that close?

Sorry, Mate.  Both tanks are fine (E100 might like a tiny bit more pen, but it's still fine)  And your poll is invalid, for having leading answers and no Bacon option.



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View PostAlmighty_Johnson, on Dec 02 2018 - 21:08, said:

 

In other words, "It's not OP and I can't wantonly seal-club all in my path with this monstrosity of German Steel"?

Was that close?

Sorry, Mate.  Both tanks are fine (E100 might like a tiny bit more pen, but it's still fine)  And your poll is invalid, for having leading answers and no Bacon option.

 

You are right, it is not OP, but also are not are on the same level of a tank considered good, in the green are below average. I've never had one of those OP tanks like the aforementioned Obj. 705A, or the Type 5 Heavy, FV4005 or even the S. Conqueror, my only experience with tiers 10 is with the heavy Germans, so I can say that I'm not accustomed to OP tanks as you think, not even in the low tier like KV-2 and Hetzer, but that's irrelevant. I do not want an OP tank, even because I hate it, and never wanted to have one of those, I just want a good tank like everyone else. Maus may even be a "German metal monstrosity", but it only appears to be, because in reality it is not.

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View PostPAP0, on Dec 02 2018 - 14:45, said:

You mean tanks such as the E100, as previously discussed in the above poll. 

Spoiler

 

I was replying to his comment where he specifically singled-out the Maus.  :facepalm:Try again. The E-100, while slightly less than average, has a flatter win rate curve than most tier X tanks as well.

 

View PostGradorGamer, on Dec 02 2018 - 14:07, said:

I, of course, only used Obj. 705A as an example, since it is a great tank and perfectly balanced. Also, I suggested the Maus and E 100 because it is with these that I play the most, if there are more tanks that need a buff, they should be buffed for sure, I never said that only Maus or E 100 are obsolete, there are several others who also need attention. If in doubt, try playing a game with one of these 2 tanks without using gold ammo and you'll understand what I'm trying to say. It may seem easy to say that I should never play a tier 10 match without gold ammo, but it's difficult when you do not have money

There was no need to provide an example, and the 705A is not "perfectly balanced". I also never concurred with your examples of obsolete and your poll is a biased and garbage poll. So far, your only argument is you don't want to use premium ammunition and you provide nothing to counter the tank performance.

 

Your desire to use or not use a specific type of ammunition does not change the fact that the Maus is performing slightly above average. You said in another reply,"I do not want an OP tank..." Yet the Maus has an above server average win rate and you want it buffed.



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E100 needs better turret armor. Maus could use a small gun buff but not too much. I penned an E100 turret front with 277 AP. Most t10 HEAT can pen it when angled. 




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