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GAJohnnie #61 Posted Dec 07 2018 - 14:53


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View PostDeafFratGuy, on Dec 04 2018 - 22:50, said:

Anyone know when or if this event will start or if it will be repeated this year? 


Rumor is 12-13

Budman717 #62 Posted Dec 07 2018 - 14:56


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Charlie's friends buy hundreds of Wonka bars.  They get Wonka bars.  Charlie buy a Wonka bar.  Gets a Wonka bar.  And A Golden Ticket.


Not gambling.

spud_tuber #63 Posted Dec 07 2018 - 16:51


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View PostTheManFromKekistan, on Dec 07 2018 - 00:31, said:


But they sell them everywhere regulated or not and I'm pretty well traveled. The point is that no one considers it gambling. You buy a coke you get a coke. You buy a loot box you get a loot box. That some overspend to try to get the bonus is bad money management not gambling. They could just as easily overspend on cereal if the cereal offered different toys randomly like many do or different 'collectible' covers. Is buying cereal with a bonus toy or unique cover gambling? There comes a point where you have to apply some measure of logic and the logic points this to be a legal marketing tool to get more sales. So if selling a coke with a prize cap is legal in most of the nation and loot boxes are exactly the same concept then I don't see the connection with spending money on a process or item where the outcome is random(insert dollar pull lever get nothing) instead of fixed with a bonus(buy item get item with bonus for more item).

I didn't claim they were gambling.   I said what WoT sells is still loot boxes regardless of the gambling issue.  As such, they are likely to end up regulated(hint, regulated isn't banned) along with all the rest of the loot boxes, in much the same way those coke bottle cap contests are regulated.  Obviously, we're not to that point in the US yet, but unless something happens to divert the attention of the politicians and bureaucrats, that's the way the wind is blowing.  May happen faster in the EU, which will indirectly effect the US as well, of course.


vinnybagadonuts #64 Posted Dec 07 2018 - 20:46


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christmas boxes already for sale for warships...

Waylandie #65 Posted Dec 07 2018 - 21:08


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So are mystery box subscriptions gambling then?  

riot_evo #66 Posted Dec 07 2018 - 22:23

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View PostWeSayNotToday, on Dec 07 2018 - 09:09, said:


Yes, the boxes usually delivered imaginary digital goods, which are non-refundable, and WoT sets the value.  So, clearly, totally and irrefutably worth it?  No, I disagree, I find some of WG's valuations laughable.


The value of the gold was close to the cost of the box if I remember, and the normal ancillary stuff had some silver value.  It is easy to give value to the gold, but, remember, it is an in-game currency, non-refundable.


I give no value to silver awards, I can earn all the silver I want, whenever I want.  So, for me, the gold was almost enough recompense for buying the box, which I can never use as negotiable currency except in-game, and the chance at the real prize was the deal.


Yes, btw, it is gambling.



"99%" is quite an exaggeration, unsupported with any facts, examples or statistics.  Debunking not accomplished.


In fact, the "equal value" is in an imaginary digital currency, which loses value once you have a lot of it or are a well-established customer [there is a .... relative limit on what you can buy for gold in the game, or you may have everything that you want that can be bought for gold already, although, WG is being great about the Advent calendar and using gold this year].  The rest of the "equal value"  was in silver or goods like consumables, which are worth very little, in fact, nothing to me.  I earn them while I am doing something I WANT to do, play the game.







..... and the normal value of the "normally included" imaginary digital goods, which WoT has pegged at a certain value, becomes mundane, and the player buys for the chance at the better stuff.


Hey, in the lottery, you are funding your state, you are paying a voluntary tax, and you get a better state for the price of your ticket, but almost every buyer is buying it for the chance of the win.



No, it's not. 

1] The cereal is a material good, while the digital goods of WoT are not.  You can give the cereal to a needy friend, or it can stave off your own starvation.

2] Some of the prizes in the WoT Christmas boxes were WAY BETTER THAN DECODER RINGS, in the context of the game.

3] Most players bought the boxes because there was a chance of better stuff inside, the "normal prizes" inside mostly just kept it from being a bad bet.







WG did cleverly build "normal" boxes with "value" equal to their stated values for conversions of their various, imaginary, non-refundable, digital currencies.  Let's say you "win" extra gold.... no real world value.  This is in fact very close to the problems other companies have had.  WG may have done well enough in design though.  Encourage the gambling while keeping it legal.


I enjoyed it, and did alright.  Was still gambling, though.



Wait, so if you "win" it is not a gamble?  You are missing something fundamental. 


Now, if the money you spent is of no consequence to you, and you would have been truly happy with getting only the mundane boxes every single time,  and you would have kept buying just as many boxes, just as quickly as you did, then, it would not have been not a gamble for you.


A gamble is the potential to lose. I did not 'lose' as I had a return on every box. So no, it was not a gamble. When I go to the casino to play black jack, that is a gamble because there is the potential to not win anything.

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