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Poll: How much to you hate ary (592 members have cast votes)

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How do you feel about arty as it stands in WoT?

  1. Voted I have absolutely no problem with artillery (326 votes [55.07%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 55.07%

  2. Voted Arty is toxic and should be removed (225 votes [38.01%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 38.01%

  3. I rage quit to arty often. (41 votes [6.93%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.93%

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Unk3mpt #361 Posted Apr 12 2019 - 15:36

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I have no love for arty but they do serve a purpose digging out hull down heavies and TDs.  However, there is no need for 3 on a team, and lower tier arty is truly a sh!tshow and even more so for newer players. 



Hoplight #362 Posted Apr 13 2019 - 00:50

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Are self-propelled vehicles worse for the game than the wheeled vehicles? Maybe I'm just used to arty, but the weevee's seem more broken even than the E25, let alone arty. 

DeleriousDeadwood #363 Posted Apr 13 2019 - 00:57

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Three arty in one game is too much. Two in a game if you are in a slow tank, and they decide to make your life miserable is one too many.

 

I'm good with either one or none.

 

If they gave this some thought I'm sure they could figure out how to limit arty to one or none per match.


Edited by DeleriousDeadwood, Apr 13 2019 - 01:12.


Altwar #364 Posted Apr 13 2019 - 01:38

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View PostDeleriousDeadwood, on Apr 12 2019 - 15:57, said:

Three arty in one game is too much. Two in a game if you are in a slow tank, and they decide to make your life miserable is one too many.

 

I'm good with either one or none.

 

If they gave this some thought I'm sure they could figure out how to limit arty to one or none per match.

 

How about remove the limit since there seems to be so many players who want to play it?

3 SPGs in a game means the battlelines are a lot thinner, making it easier for the enterprising player to slip in and deal some early critical blows to the other team.



WeSayNotToday #365 Posted Apr 13 2019 - 09:28

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View PostDeleriousDeadwood, on Apr 13 2019 - 00:57, said:

Three arty in one game is too much. Two in a game if you are in a slow tank, and they decide to make your life miserable is one too many.

 

I'm good with either one or none.

 

If they gave this some thought I'm sure they could figure out how to limit arty to one or none per match.

 

Yes, since 2011, with unlimited arty, down to 5, down to 3..., where we now have games with zero, 1, 2, or 3 arty..., we should just reduce it to 1 arty, so EVERY SINGLE GAME HAS ARTY.

 

No.

 

This is a team game.  If 2 or 3 arty are making your life miserable, then, 14 of your allies are free to act without influence of arty.  Accept that.  A team game, with 14 teammates, is not all about you, or any other ONE player.



Canadian_Mano #366 Posted Apr 13 2019 - 21:05

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View PostWeSayNotToday, on Apr 13 2019 - 04:28, said:

 

Yes, since 2011, with unlimited arty, down to 5, down to 3..., where we now have games with zero, 1, 2, or 3 arty..., we should just reduce it to 1 arty, so EVERY SINGLE GAME HAS ARTY.

 

No.

 

This is a team game.  If 2 or 3 arty are making your life miserable, then, 14 of your allies are free to act without influence of arty.  Accept that.  A team game, with 14 teammates, is not all about you, or any other ONE player.

 

Yes, because having toxic gameplay mechanics is not enough, what we really need to improve gameplay is a toxic element that FOCUSES A SINGLE PLAYER FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE MATCH. Way healthier for the community, you should be a game dev!

iSkvio #367 Posted Apr 13 2019 - 23:22

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then remove those campers td that dont move in the entire match, is the same [edited]

fv= more men, less reload, more dmg
people cry about get shoot by 500-600dmg but when a fv hit like 1.5k its ok

OK



SargeanTravis #368 Posted Apr 13 2019 - 23:24

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If anyone wants to see a world where Heavy derp tanks come to dominate an arty-less battlefield, visit my thread on such a game:

http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/602095-for-all-you-artillery-haters-out-there/



Omega_Weapon #369 Posted Apr 14 2019 - 05:43

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View PostCanadian_Mano, on Apr 13 2019 - 15:05, said:

Yes, because having toxic gameplay mechanics is not enough, what we really need to improve gameplay is a toxic element that FOCUSES A SINGLE PLAYER FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE MATCH. Way healthier for the community, you should be a game dev!

 

I'm not at all bothered to be focused by multiple enemy arty. The longer they are trying to get me specifically, the longer the rest of my team goes unmolested. And I'm usually not an easy target for arty compared to the typical player, so I'm still contributing to the win even if I never get to fire a shot for the entire match.

Cron47 #370 Posted May 15 2019 - 20:34

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Toxic game play? what? did arty "trigger" you?  Maybe its just me? but when I play WAR games I expect things like artillery, Its a combat game for Christ sake.  I have a feeling these are the same players that play a infantry war game and cry about "snipers" being unfair.  Dont get me started on the whole arty takes no skill line?, cant even count how many times I see a heavy roll right straight out in the open just sucking up  what seems like 10 15 20 shots not caring about "cover" or hull angle" , and ammo type before going down if your team is lucky,  while wheelies run amok in your lines. Picture the happy little wheelie or scout when there are 3 arty to shot. three shots three kills. oh the skill.......................lmbo

 

Move? cover? adapt? maybe team work?. I can always tell the good players, they are a pain to even slow down. But the ones that sit in a hole for to long, I will hunt you!



No_Dip_Sherlock74 #371 Posted Oct 25 2019 - 15:13

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Arty is probably the dumbest thing ever to exist in this game. A bunch of pussys sitting in a bush and clicking left mouse. No skill required. Most of the time i take damage from not from other tanks, but from arty. 

WhineMaker #372 Posted Oct 25 2019 - 19:03

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View PostNo_Dip_Sherlock74, on Oct 25 2019 - 06:13, said:

Arty is probably the dumbest thing ever to exist in this game. A bunch of pussys sitting in a bush and clicking left mouse. No skill required. Most of the time i take damage from not from other tanks, but from arty. 

 

Then WoT Blitz is the solution to all your issues with the full pc version of WoT, which includes arty... :great:



1Bourbon1Scotch1Beer #373 Posted Oct 25 2019 - 19:10

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View PostAltwar, on Apr 12 2019 - 18:38, said:

 

How about remove the limit since there seems to be so many players who want to play it?

3 SPGs in a game means the battlelines are a lot thinner, making it easier for the enterprising player to slip in and deal some early critical blows to the other team.

 

I have to wonder if you've ever actually played against 3 artillery while not being in an artillery yourself. The enterprising player who looks for early opportunities not only becomes the first target of 3 clicks, but also the target of continued focus simply by virtue of being the first visible target. If I see 3 artillery in-game I often won't take that early forward position in a medium tank simply because I know my game is likely to become unplayable if I become the first target of focus. This is the major problem with artillery in my opinion, the interaction with the spotting system actively promotes a camping/unspotted/passive style of play many apologists claim the class is meant to prevent.    



LOL_i_CLICKED_u #374 Posted Oct 25 2019 - 19:30

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View PostNo_Dip_Sherlock74, on Oct 25 2019 - 14:13, said:

Arty is probably the dumbest thing ever to exist in this game. A bunch of pussys sitting in a bush and clicking left mouse. No skill required. Most of the time i take damage from not from other tanks, but from arty. 

 

Your first post & you decide to use it to resurrect a dead thread. I see we have a lot to look forward to with you.



choSenfroZen_1 #375 Posted Oct 25 2019 - 19:36

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View Post1Bourbon1Scotch1Beer, on Oct 25 2019 - 10:10, said:

 

I have to wonder if you've ever actually played against 3 artillery while not being in an artillery yourself. The enterprising player who looks for early opportunities not only becomes the first target of 3 clicks, but also the target of continued focus simply by virtue of being the first visible target. If I see 3 artillery in-game I often won't take that early forward position in a medium tank simply because I know my game is likely to become unplayable if I become the first target of focus. This is the major problem with artillery in my opinion, the interaction with the spotting system actively promotes a camping/unspotted/passive style of play many apologists claim the class is meant to prevent.    

 

Succinct and accurate.

 

This is one of the best descriptions of the effect of artillery.

It works as designed. It is supposed to make you cautions, to slow the "enterprising".

 

I know the discussion on camping has raged multiple times.

 

Again, I really hate to disappoint you. The "camping/unspotted/passive style", is what artillery wants.

As a matter of fact, press BATTLE and you will discover 15 red players who want that as well. They want you to park and hide. If you do that, artillery helps control YOU without firing a shot. Presto, artillery fulfills one of its roles, and you become the easiest victim. Most players find a way to get into a game. That you decide to hide is your issue, not the design. It is in the game to make enemies cautious. Makes enemies take care in choosing cover, not staying too long.

 

Just like every other enemy in the battle, the enterprising player with early opportunities. Well darling, if only artillery shoots at this person. You are up against a sad team.

If this early player is still around and enables artillery to sloooooooowly aim and fire, before the player who spotted you and all the other enemies  ever fire. There is a bigger problem.

 

 


Edited by choSenfroZen_1, Oct 25 2019 - 19:36.


Jasper_Seven #376 Posted Oct 25 2019 - 22:49

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Well since this is resurrected...  I've enjoyed playing arty from time to time, especially when I'm tired.  I can say it has really been reduced from what it was, and now it feels like the contribution has a real limiter on it.

However, even when playing arty, I think three is too many most of the time.  Yes, it can offer occasional circumstantial strategies, especially when there is a skilled EBR on one team and not so much on the other. And unlike stickers and pretty garage versions, this is one of the core issues that should continue to be fine tuned.



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Well, the poll favors keeping arty.

 

Personally, I think the OP dresses all of his tanks in Soccer pajamas.

 

The real issue is that to play on a map where arty is a factor, you have to have enough skill to take arty into account and minimize its impact.  Take concealed routes, avoid open areas, use 6th Sense, take cover when spotted, and don't put yourself so close to another tank that the arty preferentially targets the other tank and his little dog too.  

 

You see:

 

Those who complain about unskilled clickers are really the ones who actually lack skill because they can't cope!!!!!

 

By the way, OP, did you know that Armor is officially designated as The Queen of Battle in the US Army?

 

Know Why?

 

Because Arty is the King of Battle!

 

In real life Arty and other means of indirect fire have always been the most lethal force on the battlefield.

 

You know what we did in the Gulf when we saw Republican Guard armor at range?

 

We stopped and called in Arty first. 

 

They didn't survive to complain about it.

 

Hope to consistently see you on the opposite team.

 



anonym_MMdN46c4Ky34 #378 Posted Oct 25 2019 - 23:45

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Ya it's a BS mechanic that is favored towards baby boomers and gen xers who don't know how a good game works. Or good sportsmanship because over half of them just grief you about it.

I like my wheelies and I enjoy ruining your games

DoomSquatch #379 Posted Oct 25 2019 - 23:47

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Just looked up the OP's Inforgraphics.  The Op plays arty one out of every 8 battles.

 



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wheelie tanks are worse -------that is all





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